PDA South out of ECNL

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I think you are not understanding the issue. It’s not diversity because everyone thinks it would be better .people are championing diversity because white man are denying those that are deserving an opportunity This is being done either consciously or unconsciously. So when an organization looks around and see nothing more than people who look like us. One has to ask, why have we left representation from over 65 percent of our country off our staff. Most do not care -others do. And some equate diversification with less quality They create paper tiger arguments like diversity means hiring less than. They say this to protect their position of a less diverse work force. Let’s be clear what we mean about A diverse work force. We simply mean a workforce of Qualified people who represent the United States of America.

You might mean that but that isn't the general consensus these days/society doesn't care about quality just appearance and checking boxes. I am fully in favor of/with qualified diversity but still a he11 no on forced diversity/box checking.

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You can absolutely pay with a credit card.

PDA will take payment in Yuan.

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From a statistical perspective, it could mean more qualified if there was some evidence that the ethnic/gender communities had a trait that statistically put them above the average. For example, East African distance runners would be a group that statistically would likely represent more-qualified when putting together a marathon team. When putting together a coaching staff, is there statistical evidence that female coaches would be more qualified? Not sure about that. POC? I could actually see certain ethnic groups being more qualified. But I can definitely understand the argument that says prioritizing ethnicity ABOVE coaching ability in candidates runs the risk of bypassing a better coach for a less-qualified coach who is POC. If there was an overabundance of top-quality coaches to hire from, I could certainly see prioritizing diversity...but as evidenced by all the complaining of crappy coaching around here, I would say that quality coaches are not easy to come by, and as such, looking for diversity quotas is the wrong solution IMHO.

I was much less eloquent but agree just hire the best even if a Martian. I don't give a hoot what you look like or sound like if you know what your doing.

Respectfully I also think the actual hiring and "opportunity" while considerably linked together also have components that are totally separate issues. You can't fix both with one swing/checkbox.

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You might mean that but that isn't the general consensus these days/society doesn't care about quality just appearance and checking boxes. I am fully in favor of/with qualified diversity but still a he11 no on forced diversity/box checking.

Gotcha. You’re good with qualified diversity. So Am I. We r in agreement. So now a commitment needs to be made to make sure we actually get qualified diversity. And that is where organizations fall short. Which is why things remain the same.

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It really passes me off that PDA doesn't hire non binary trainers. I want my daughter to learn from a person who doesn't identify as either male or female. How dare PDA not hire anyone like that. What is this world coming to?

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Gotcha. You’re good with qualified diversity. So Am I. We r in agreement. So now a commitment needs to be made to make sure we actually get qualified diversity. And that is where organizations fall short. Which is why things remain the same.

But again, we can’t assume the organization isn’t making the effort if we don’t have any visibility into the profile of coaches applying for jobs at the organization.

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This is false! Ecnl cost us about 10-12k over the course of the year. If you break that down into a daily rate it’s between $27-$32/ day. There are bums on the street with addictions that are $200-300 / day. So I think it’s very affordable for many people but it depends on how people want to spend their money. Also those cost are for one of if not the most expensive league. A kid could easily join a town league or local travel club for so much less.

That has to be the dumbest analysis of finance I have ever seen. When a sport anywhere from 1/8th to 1/4th your household income that is WAYYY to much. This is the problem, rich people saying that if you can't afford it then don't do it only means they are scared that little Suzy might lose her spot to the poor kid 2 towns over.

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That has to be the dumbest analysis of finance I have ever seen. When a sport anywhere from 1/8th to 1/4th your household income that is WAYYY to much. This is the problem, rich people saying that if you can't afford it then don't do it only means they are scared that little Suzy might lose her spot to the poor kid 2 towns over.

So I am guessing that if a person can not afford $25/day than the rest should suffer? There are many things in life that people can and can not afford. I can’t afford a yacht, 100k car, private schools, country clubs, and many other countless things that are out of my price range. However does that mean I can’t enjoy going in a boat, having a car, playing golf, or sending my kid to state school? According to this site ECNL clubs have bad coaching anyway so if people can’t afford it they can play town or local town travel at a price in their range, and get better coaching. The person I was responding to said “soccer is a rich white girl sport”. That’s simply false.

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But again, we can’t assume the organization isn’t making the effort if we don’t have any visibility into the profile of coaches applying for jobs at the organization.

It’s self evident my friend. You only need to compare Worldclass to PDA to see that no effort has been made by PDA.

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So I am guessing that if a person can not afford $25/day than the rest should suffer? There are many things in life that people can and can not afford. I can’t afford a yacht, 100k car, private schools, country clubs, and many other countless things that are out of my price range. However does that mean I can’t enjoy going in a boat, having a car, playing golf, or sending my kid to state school? According to this site ECNL clubs have bad coaching anyway so if people can’t afford it they can play town or local town travel at a price in their range, and get better coaching. The person I was responding to said “soccer is a rich white girl sport”. That’s simply false.

Soccer isn't but ECNL is. How many below the poverty line playing in the ECNL in this area?

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Soccer isn't but ECNL is. How many below the poverty line playing in the ECNL in this area?

You have to have a certain amount of disposable income but it isn’t close to being at the level of needing to be rich. People below the poverty level may not have enough money for their kids to do anything, even town my kids teams parents consist of cops, teachers, construction workers and and those arent professions that would never be considered rich. Some sacrifice a little more than others but that’s their money to spend how they want to.

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You have to have a certain amount of disposable income but it isn’t close to being at the level of needing to be rich. People below the poverty level may not have enough money for their kids to do anything, even town my kids teams parents consist of cops, teachers, construction workers and and those arent professions that would never be considered rich. Some sacrifice a little more than others but that’s their money to spend how they want to.

The bulk of these ECNL teams are cops, teachers and construction workers pushing their budgets to the brink in the hopes of a college scholarship and bragging rights.

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The bulk of these ECNL teams are cops, teachers and construction workers pushing their budgets to the brink in the hopes of a college scholarship and bragging rights.

Than they would be wise to put that money in a college fund and bypass soccer all soccer. Most of us outspend what we would ever hope to recoup.

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The bulk of these ECNL teams are cops, teachers and construction workers pushing their budgets to the brink in the hopes of a college scholarship and bragging rights.

That's just plain stupid. I'm not sacrificing our retirement for our kids soccer. Unless your national team material what's the point.

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That's just plain stupid. I'm not sacrificing our retirement for our kids soccer. Unless your national team material what's the point.

Shelling out 10k per year is nothing compared to when your kids get to college. This is not about return on investment. It’s about having great experiences and having fun. I have spent more on less in my life. Travel soccer isn’t even close to the most expensive travel sport.