Using wins and losses to evaluate teams

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If going long is so easy and the best way to score, then why do people look down on it. so much? Especially in a game where scoring is difficult. For many reasons, direct play is a challenge to play against at any level.

At youth level, development is critical. I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

If you have a coach that wants the backs to boot the ball straight to the striker who goes straight to the net for a shot, how many touches is that and by how many players? The ball is in the air for 99% of their small possession time.

Now compare to a team that "tiki taka" the ball vertically and horizontally on the ground all game long. Dominates possession by 80% out more. Every player touches ball repeatedly.

Which players are going to develop soccer skills?

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At youth level, development is critical. I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

If you have a coach that wants the backs to boot the ball straight to the striker who goes straight to the net for a shot, how many touches is that and by how many players? The ball is in the air for 99% of their small possession time.

Now compare to a team that "tiki taka" the ball vertically and horizontally on the ground all game long. Dominates possession by 80% out more. Every player touches ball repeatedly.

Which players are going to develop soccer skills?

Yup. Tiki taka will lose games, parents and players at the younger ages—but those that stick with the coach and system, almost always wind up replacing the kick and runners by HS at the higher level. Those that didn’t get trained properly in the younger years are so easy to spot and very hard to watch by HS— they are just too easy to beat, don’t have the understanding of the game and make it less enjoyable all around. I like to watch good soccer, so do many others.

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At youth level, development is critical. I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

If you have a coach that wants the backs to boot the ball straight to the striker who goes straight to the net for a shot, how many touches is that and by how many players? The ball is in the air for 99% of their small possession time.

Now compare to a team that "tiki taka" the ball vertically and horizontally on the ground all game long. Dominates possession by 80% out more. Every player touches ball repeatedly.

Which players are going to develop soccer skills?

Ill repeat myself. Develop soccer skills to what end? Boys? Girls? Youth soccer is pay to play. Players enter at varying levels with different goals. One size does not fit all and games are usually all about who wins, not who "develops" what. Tiki taka relies on all players having a simialr vision on how to play. I have not see a team on the girls side, club or college, who plays that way consistently.Some of you need to be far more realistic

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Ill repeat myself. Develop soccer skills to what end? Boys? Girls? Youth soccer is pay to play. Players enter at varying levels with different goals. One size does not fit all and games are usually all about who wins, not who "develops" what. Tiki taka relies on all players having a simialr vision on how to play. I have not see a team on the girls side, club or college, who plays that way consistently.Some of you need to be far more realistic

At least a third of ECNL girls teams and probably a fifth of GA teams play this way.

Lower level club, rarely.
High school, never.

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At least a third of ECNL girls teams and probably a fifth of GA teams play this way.

Lower level club, rarely.
High school, never.

Town soccer is notorious for kick and run. If you have not made the move to GA by say U15 forget it way to late.

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Ill repeat myself. Develop soccer skills to what end? Boys? Girls? Youth soccer is pay to play. Players enter at varying levels with different goals. One size does not fit all and games are usually all about who wins, not who "develops" what. Tiki taka relies on all players having a simialr vision on how to play. I have not see a team on the girls side, club or college, who plays that way consistently.Some of you need to be far more realistic

To what end. To be the best technical player you can be and combine with athleticism to give a player more option in where to play. Also the more technical a player the easier to get out of pressure and keep the ball moving. Technical plus athleticism equals a complete player that is able to play in any system which gives you more college options. Further if you love the game, you want to learn to play it correctly.

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At least a third of ECNL girls teams and probably a fifth of GA teams play this way.

Lower level club, rarely.
High school, never.

You say 1/3rd of the ECNL play this way. How many College teams play this way? How many NWSL teams ? Maybe we have a different definition of tiki taka

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You say 1/3rd of the ECNL play this way. How many College teams play this way? How many NWSL teams ? Maybe we have a different definition of tiki taka

Most parents confuse tiki taka with possession soccer.

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You say 1/3rd of the ECNL play this way. How many College teams play this way? How many NWSL teams ? Maybe we have a different definition of tiki taka

College? Sadly not many.
Even in the final four, I'd only argue that FSU fit into the category. BYU was direct play, Santa Clara just booted to the forwards, and Rutgers...did something.

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College? Sadly not many.
Even in the final four, I'd only argue that FSU fit into the category. BYU was direct play, Santa Clara just booted to the forwards, and Rutgers...did something.

so what happens to all the tiki taka trained players ?

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To what end. To be the best technical player you can be and combine with athleticism to give a player more option in where to play. Also the more technical a player the easier to get out of pressure and keep the ball moving. Technical plus athleticism equals a complete player that is able to play in any system which gives you more college options. Further if you love the game, you want to learn to play it correctly.

Makes a lot of sense. Plus if the mind works with both feet in sync even better.

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so what happens to all the tiki taka trained players ?

In the US, they get recruited to play kickball on a D1 scholarship. Some of them might go pro if their skills don't rot too much?

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so what happens to all the tiki taka trained players ?

You are confusing a technical player with a specific style of play. Like any sport, you learn technique then you adapt to a style of play. When the person asked to what end, He was conflating proper technique with a specific style of play. You need great technical skills to play direct as well. Also technical does not only include foot work, it also means the proper use of your body to play defense and understanding angles and runs. So learning technique helps the player in all styles of play including the direct styles played in college.

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Ill repeat myself. Develop soccer skills to what end? Boys? Girls? Youth soccer is pay to play. Players enter at varying levels with different goals. One size does not fit all and games are usually all about who wins, not who "develops" what. Tiki taka relies on all players having a simialr vision on how to play. I have not see a team on the girls side, club or college, who plays that way consistently.Some of you need to be far more realistic

What? Fl state plays that way. Stanford plays that way. Uva plays that way. USC plays that way. And more.

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You are confusing a technical player with a specific style of play. Like any sport, you learn technique then you adapt to a style of play. When the person asked to what end, He was conflating proper technique with a specific style of play. You need great technical skills to play direct as well. Also technical does not only include foot work, it also means the proper use of your body to play defense and understanding angles and runs. So learning technique helps the player in all styles of play including the direct styles played in college.

Soccer Nut

Exactly. Thank you...SocNut