US Club Nationals

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Not sure I understand your PS seeing that the games don't start till this upcoming Friday but I think I understand your point. I don't believe I need to be there to see the competition to know it will be diluted.

Exhibit A: Bayside Bolts U15 girls from RI are at the nationals in the Super Group division, yet during the spring NPL season they were 0-2-6. That's no wins, two ties and six losses.

Allowing each New England state to send their state cup winners directly to nationals is not positively adding to the level of competition that should be expected at a nationals event.

I am happy for the teams and families that are going and wish them luck and a safe trip but that is my opinion.

Actually National finals are today ... This was for folks who won their NPL league

What your are referencing is the National Cup which is is a hosting of those who won their US Club state cup

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what is the mid atlantic regional and how does a nh team play there?

The mid Atlantic regional is 1 of 5 regional qualifying tournaments.
In most cases you win your state you go onto regionals win that go onto nationals.
However there are many ways to get to nationals.
#1 win your state go directly to nationals.
#2 loose your state go to regionals win go to nationals.
#3 there are other qualifying tournaments you win go onto nationals.

Placement at nationals is really up to the team you request what level to play in. It's just a crap shoot some times super is easier, teams do not apply thinking it will be more difficult but not always.

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The mid Atlantic regional is 1 of 5 regional qualifying tournaments.
In most cases you win your state you go onto regionals win that go onto nationals.
However there are many ways to get to nationals.
#1 win your state go directly to nationals.
#2 loose your state go to regionals win go to nationals.
#3 there are other qualifying tournaments you win go onto nationals.

Placement at nationals is really up to the team you request what level to play in. It's just a crap shoot some times super is easier, teams do not apply thinking it will be more difficult but not always.

Nice try. Super group isn't easier.

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I did not say super group is easier but with any league there are team that play up when they should have played down and down that should have played up.
Happens every were.
Check out the team info page some have quite the resume and others not much.

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It does not matter what group they play in, they all claim National Cup Champion.

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The mid Atlantic regional is 1 of 5 regional qualifying tournaments.
In most cases you win your state you go onto regionals win that go onto nationals.
However there are many ways to get to nationals.
#1 win your state go directly to nationals.
#2 loose your state go to regionals win go to nationals.
#3 there are other qualifying tournaments you win go onto nationals.

Placement at nationals is really up to the team you request what level to play in. It's just a crap shoot some times super is easier, teams do not apply thinking it will be more difficult but not always.

So another example of why this year's process is flawed. If a team doesn't win state cup they find some qualifying tournament with questionable competition and bingo your in. Nice!

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So another example of why this year's process is flawed. If a team doesn't win state cup they find some qualifying tournament with questionable competition and bingo your in. Nice!

It's always been the case even with USYS

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It's always been the case even with USYS

These people will find something else to be enraged about. Their minds are made up.

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So another example of why this year's process is flawed. If a team doesn't win state cup they find some qualifying tournament with questionable competition and bingo your in. Nice!

interesting thought....but I completely disagree. With a little research you can see that some of the state cup schedules were a complete joke. look a the regional events that a team had to play to get in. Those had better competition than a lot of our local state cups. Results are all on the National site to view..

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interesting thought....but I completely disagree. With a little research you can see that some of the state cup schedules were a complete joke. look a the regional events that a team had to play to get in. Those had better competition than a lot of our local state cups. Results are all on the National site to view..

Please explain how one gets to play in the mid atlantic regional? You would think based on the name that this would be a progression for state cups winners or some type of qualifier would be required.

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interesting thought....but I completely disagree. With a little research you can see that some of the state cup schedules were a complete joke. look a the regional events that a team had to play to get in. Those had better competition than a lot of our local state cups. Results are all on the National site to view..

This is accurate. If you look at southeast regional there were teams from Florida, Texas, up to the Pittsburgh Riverhounds, many good teams there. Some of the state cups had 2 or 3 teams total in an age group!

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Generally agree that it's odd that NE states are in with a state cup win vs a regional tournament. Not sure I buy this rationale but was told that the development curriculum or the NE states are further along than other member clubs in other parts of the country; hence the win your state and you're in path NE clubs benefit from.

Suspect as that explanation seems, a look at last year's winners and various age groups/genders looks to have about 1/3 or all winners for boys/girls coming from New England (MA) which would seem to challenge the notion that NE teams are automatically weaker because they only won a state cup vs winning a region.

In the end - regardless of how you got there - win the thing and format is moot.

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Generally agree that it's odd that NE states are in with a state cup win vs a regional tournament. Not sure I buy this rationale but was told that the development curriculum or the NE states are further along than other member clubs in other parts of the country; hence the win your state and you're in path NE clubs benefit from.

Suspect as that explanation seems, a look at last year's winners and various age groups/genders looks to have about 1/3 or all winners for boys/girls coming from New England (MA) which would seem to challenge the notion that NE teams are automatically weaker because they only won a state cup vs winning a region.

In the end - regardless of how you got there - win the thing and format is moot.

Whoever told you the development curriculum is better in NE must not play outside NE much. The odds are just better for NE because there are more teams invited to finals in the first place. Look at U15 boys premier schedule for this weekend, there are six teams and HALF are from NE. Maybe one of them will win that group or maybe not, but odds are stacked in their favor.

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Complete joke

Having two separate divisions for national championship is a complete joke.the best teams in the country should be headed to a national. Not state cup winners that can't even win there own division in the nep. Going out to Colorado for 3 games against the same teams you play all year is a complete waste. Sad that parents and kids had no idea about the 2 divisions super and premier. Super being the actual national cup for us club and the premiere division is like I don't even know what you call it.

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Having two separate divisions for national championship is a complete joke.the best teams in the country should be headed to a national. Not state cup winners that can't even win there own division in the nep. Going out to Colorado for 3 games against the same teams you play all year is a complete waste. Sad that parents and kids had no idea about the 2 divisions super and premier. Super being the actual national cup for us club and the premiere division is like I don't even know what you call it.

I disagree with a lot of this post. Anyone who looked at the regions or last years National cup knows there is a super group and a premier group. People should forget about the term National cup = National champion in its most literal term. Super group is for the Mostly ECNL and NPL teams to enter and the Premier should be for state cup winners and NEP type teams....in my opinion what is wrong with teams winning their Local league then a regional event and then play teams in other regions and calling it National cup??? It seems logical to me. The premier teams are not built to compete with the ECNL teams...some can hang but two different commitment levels and expectations ....let them play teams of same make up. Let the premier teams play other winners of regions with teams of the same make up....I guess I don't know what is so bad about this. My kids team is in the premier division and is playing 3 teams from other parts of the country.....pretty cool. If they were lucky enough to win do you think they really believe the are the "National Champ" and the best team in the Nation?? People need to calm down here...what I don't understand is NE state cup teams advance right in? Why no regional event here? I have no answer for that expect they tourney needs more teams maybe?