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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Studies of fetal development, improved medical techniques, and other advances anchor the (pro life) movement’s arguments in scientific fact. "The pro-life message has been, for the last 40-something years, that the fetus … is a life, and it is a human life worthy of all the rights the rest of us have,” she said. “That’s been more of an abstract concept until the last decade or so.” But, she added, “when you’re seeing a baby sucking its thumb at 18 weeks, smiling, clapping,” it becomes “harder to square the idea that that 20-week-old, that unborn baby or fetus, is discardable.”

    When the U.S. Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade, the case that led the way to legal abortion, it pegged most fetuses’ chance of viable life outside the womb at 28 weeks; after that point, it ruled, states could reasonably restrict women’s access to the procedure. Now, with new medical techniques, doctors are debating whether that threshold should be closer to 22 weeks.

    When Colleen Malloy, a neonatologist and faculty member at Northwestern University, discusses abortion with her colleagues, she says, “it’s kind of like the emperor is not wearing any clothes.” Medical teams spend enormous effort, time, and money to deliver babies safely and nurse premature infants back to health. Yet physicians often support abortion, even late into fetal development.

    As medical techniques have become increasingly sophisticated, Malloy said, she has felt this tension acutely: A handful of medical centers in major cities can now perform surgeries on genetically abnormal fetuses while they’re still in the womb. Many are the same age as the small number of fetuses aborted in the second or third trimesters of a mother’s pregnancy. “The more I advanced in my field of neonatology, the more it just became the logical choice to recognize the developing fetus for what it is: a fetus, instead of some sort of sub-human form,” Malloy said. “It just became so obvious that these were just developing humans.”

    Malloy is one of many doctors and scientists who have gotten involved in the political debate over abortion. She has testified before legislative bodies about fetal pain—the claim that fetuses can experience physical suffering, perhaps even prior to the point of viability outside the womb—and written letters to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...cience/549308/
    Is the Atlantic a medical journal?

    Is there anything there to contradict what I said ? That until after 21 weeks can’t BEGIN to exchange oxygen and carbon dioxide

    Short fact filled and ronths point .

    NOTICE YOUR QUOTE SAID FETUS RATHER THAN BABY.

    That’s confirming I am CORRECT about the broad point. Because I know more than Bore-us about this. I’m an expert and he doesn’t know the difference between “baby” and “fetus”

    Further , I never argued a fetus isn’t “alive” . I said that at 21 weeks a foetus doesn’t have potential to become what you think of as a baby human extra utero even with the best neonatology

    Get it? You shouldn’t have gone down this road. I will reveal your abject ignorance

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      She didn’t realize he was throwing bait out to catch Conservatives.Nice that teenagers, as has been always the case , have something to say, however the fact that they lack wisdom has been lost to many of modern society.
      ^^^^ IF true translate this way ....

      “She didn’t realize he was smarter than her.”

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        ^^^^ IF true translate this way ....

        “She didn’t realize he was smarter than her.”
        Teenagers trolling conservative adults. Mistresses trolling the president. Good stuff.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Teenagers trolling conservative adults. Mistresses trolling the president. Good stuff.
          His 15 minutes will be over soon. You left out the word alleged.Unlike Bill Clinton, nothing has been proved.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            His 15 minutes will be over soon. You left out the word alleged.Unlike Bill Clinton, nothing has been proved.
            You mean the same Bill Clinton who was impeached? Nothing proven?

            Stormy and McDougal have proof. The only people denying it are Trump's attorneys. Even Trump won't say it himself because he knows he'd be caught in a lie.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              His 15 minutes will be over soon. You left out the word alleged.Unlike Bill Clinton, nothing has been proved.
              "Alleged" mistresses? No they have freely admitted to what they did and that they were willing participants.

              Hogg and other woke teenagers aren't going away. Keep telling yourself they are as they become voters and get the trash out of Congress and the Oval Office.

              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Teenagers trolling conservative adults. Mistresses trolling the president. Good stuff.

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                Cons pretending Trump isn’t serial sexual assaulter/harasser

                http://image.ibb.co/mmPys7/D57_EDDFB...58_CB89095.jpg

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Is the Atlantic a medical journal?

                  Is there anything there to contradict what I said ? That until after 21 weeks can’t BEGIN to exchange oxygen and carbon dioxide

                  Short fact filled and ronths point .

                  NOTICE YOUR QUOTE SAID FETUS RATHER THAN BABY.

                  That’s confirming I am CORRECT about the broad point. Because I know more than Bore-us about this. I’m an expert and he doesn’t know the difference between “baby” and “fetus”

                  Further , I never argued a fetus isn’t “alive” . I said that at 21 weeks a foetus doesn’t have potential to become what you think of as a baby human extra utero even with the best neonatology

                  Get it? You shouldn’t have gone down this road. I will reveal your abject ignorance

                  😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
                  The age of viability now cited by most medical experts as 24 weeks not 21 and that is what is being debated.

                  Notice the neonatologist said, "it just became the logical choice to recognize the developing fetus for what it is: a fetus, instead of some sort of sub-human form It just became so obvious that these were just developing humans.”

                  I presume a neonatologist is someone in the medical field, but if you want a medical journal's assessment, here you go.

                  "Differences in hospital practices regarding the initiation of active treatment in infants born at 22, 23, or 24 weeks of gestation explain some of the between-hospital variation in survival and survival without impairment among such patients. (Funded by the National Institutes of Health)."
                  http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1410689

                  And this also underscores what the neonatologist, "A handful of medical centers in major cities can now perform surgeries on genetically abnormal fetuses while they’re still in the womb. Many are the same age as the small number of fetuses aborted in the second or third trimesters of a mother’s pregnancy."

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    The age of viability now cited by most medical experts as 24 weeks not 21 and that is what is being debated.

                    Notice the neonatologist said, "it just became the logical choice to recognize the developing fetus for what it is: a fetus, instead of some sort of sub-human form It just became so obvious that these were just developing humans.”

                    I presume a neonatologist is someone in the medical field, but if you want a medical journal's assessment, here you go.

                    "Differences in hospital practices regarding the initiation of active treatment in infants born at 22, 23, or 24 weeks of gestation explain some of the between-hospital variation in survival and survival without impairment among such patients. (Funded by the National Institutes of Health)."
                    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1410689

                    And this also underscores what the neonatologist, "A handful of medical centers in major cities can now perform surgeries on genetically abnormal fetuses while they’re still in the womb. Many are the same age as the small number of fetuses aborted in the second or third trimesters of a mother’s pregnancy."
                    The Supreme Court has said that states must allow abortion if a fetus is not viable outside the womb. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and the American Academy of Pediatrics said that “in general, those born at 23 weeks of gestation should be considered potentially viable” because more than a quarter of such babies survive when treated intensively."

                    But the biggest take away from the Atlantic article is the comment of the pro lifer, "when you’re seeing a baby sucking its thumb at 18 weeks, smiling, clapping,” it becomes “harder to square the idea that that 20-week-old, that unborn baby or fetus, is discardable.”

                    http://www.pregnancysymptomsweekbywe...rasound_3d.jpg

                    If images like this were available in 1973, do you think the ruling on Roe vs Wade would have stood?

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      "Alleged" mistresses? No they have freely admitted to what they did and that they were willing participants.

                      Hogg and other woke teenagers aren't going away. Keep telling yourself they are as they become voters and get the trash out of Congress and the Oval Office.
                      We can be sure that he won't go away. But neither will those posting the following.

                      https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...fc&oe=5B3B162D

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                        I can't believe we live in a time where liberal adults are dumb enough to be told by brainwashed teenagers with zero life experience how our country should be run.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          I can't believe we live in a time where liberal adults are dumb enough to be told by brainwashed teenagers with zero life experience how our country should be run.
                          Liberals happen to agree with them, that is all. The youth vote is coming. Same with growing minority populations, women running for political office...no wonder all you old white men are quaking in your boots.

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                            Hey first amendment guy - that amendment is to protect people from speaking out against the government. Sure you can say what you want otherwise but there are consequences - slander and libel laws, prosecution for yelling fire in a crowded theater AND being socially and politically ostracized.

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                              https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...73&oe=5B73F605

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                If images like this were available in 1973, do you think the ruling on Roe vs Wade would have stood?
                                Science is science. Viability is a fact. The law is the law.

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