Turkey fans BOO during pre-match minute's silence for the victims of Paris attacks an

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With what authority did the President elect lift any regulations with Carrier. EPA might have something to say about that.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good liberal lie. Trust him all true!

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Don't let facts get in the way of a good liberal lie. Trust him all true!

Are you saying that Liberals are fabricating stories about Trump's intentions to try to stir up fear in their mindless base? Stupid is as stupid does!

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Following President-elect Trump's surprise phone call on Friday with the Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen, the response has been predictable if not disheartening. Academics in D.C. this morning are claiming that, “Trump…doesn’t have clue.” An expert at the University of California added that the call was “impulsive.”

Regrettably, my Democratic Party pushed back too. By its measure, Trump demonstrated his “incompetence” and threatened our national security. Senator Chris Murphy (D-CT) went so far as to say that Trump’s actions might push the nation into war with China.

What academics and my party don’t understand is that he’s not interested in starting a war. He simply recognizes that we’re already in one. And he’s giving voice to its long-suffering victims: millions of voters in places like North Carolina, Ohio, and Michigan.

To understand the battlefield, readers should travel to North Carolina and talk to the former workers at Alpha Aluminum. For decades, these swing-state voters produced foil for eventual use in cigarette packages. This past summer, however, over 100 American workers lost their jobs. The reason? Cheap Chinese aluminum imports.

The result? Carolinians are scrambling to feed their families while workers in faraway Zhenjiang collect what used to be an American paycheck.

The story of Alpha is the story of U.S. manufacturing for the past three decades. Economists in liberal enclaves pushed for “globalization,” arguing that cheap goods made abroad would fatten the pocketbooks of all us back here in the United States. Despite pleas from unions, our elected leaders happily agreed. Both Republicans and Democrats signed up for NAFTA and, later, China’s entry into the World Trade Organization.

But all did not go well. From steel plants in Ohio to furniture factories in North Carolina, American companies suddenly found themselves competing against Chinese labor that paid a few pennies to each of Joe Six Pack’s dollars. You don’t need a PhD in Keynesian economics to predict the result: U.S. companies shut down, or moved operations abroad.

To be sure, Americans have gotten a lot of cheap goods in return for this deal. But there’s a catch: millions of voters no longer have the jobs – or a livable income – to afford them. Initially, economists believed that this would be a temporary condition. Surely, they argued, these unemployed workers would find new jobs that paid just as good as the old.

Last summer, however, academics released a study that took 38 pages to acknowledge the obvious: they were wrong. It turns out that our political class had sold off the American dream to the Chinese and given blue-collar workers – and their communities – an economic nightmare in its place.

But it gets worse. That’s because China hasn’t been content to just take American jobs through unfair competition. They’re stealing them via cyber-warfare too.

Consider the case of U.S. Steel. In 2011, the Chinese government hacked its way into U.S. Steel’s computer systems and stole trade secrets. They passed the information to an assortment of Chinese steel companies, allowing these competitors to produce advanced steel products. As a consequence, we lost market share, and jobs.

Or consider the case of American Superconductor, which produces advanced software for wind turbines. In 2011, the company discovered that the Chinese Government had stolen its source code, giving it to their own corporation Sinovel. The result? Over 600 American workers lost their jobs and the company took a $1 billion hit in shareholder value. Adding insult to injury, China’s Sinovel later sold its wind turbines to the State of Massachusetts, paid for with taxpayer dollars.

The Chinese goal in all of this is clear: grow their economy through theft, and at the expense of American innovation.

Smart Democrats know this. And, indeed, President Obama made a series of threats to the Chinese demanding that they stop. But, according to my former colleagues in the intelligence community, the hacking continues.

Enter President-elect Trump and his “undiplomatic” phone call.

Only Mr. Trump knows why he accepted the call from China’s nemesis, Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen. But Trump spokeswoman Kellyanne Conway has made it clear that the President-elect was fully aware of the call’s implications. And reporting from Trump insiders suggests that the phone call was part of a long-planned chess move to warn Beijing that our relationship was about to change.

Politically, Trump has now beaten Democrats twice in one week. His efforts in Indiana to save jobs at Carrier made him look tough and focused on the American worker. And now he’s pushing back against the greatest job killer of all: Communist China.

So rather than bash Trump reflexively, I beg my party to be smarter. Stop broadcasting knee-jerk press releases over phone calls, especially when they’re designed to punish a thief. Instead, let’s double down on Trump’s move.

How? Debt forgiveness.

China owns $1.3 trillion of U.S. debt, which is a massive burden that could otherwise go to the rebuilding of our inner cities and crumbling infrastructure. A savvy Democratic Party could suggest that Trump renegotiate that debt, deducting the total cost of what they’ve stolen from American industry – and American workers. Costs of cyber warfare on the U.S. economy are calculated at some $250 billion a year. Trump should work with the CIA, NSA, and Departments of State and Treasury to tally China’s responsibility from that amount and make them pay through bare-knuckle negotiations.

Make no mistake, Democrats cannot simply be an echo chamber for the President-elect as he tackles tough issues abroad. The country needs a faithful opposition to hold him accountable, especially when it comes to conflicts of interest related to his many foreign resorts and buildings. To the point, there are troubling reports that he’s considering a hotel deal in Taiwan’s capital Taipei.

Still, we have to be smarter than simply being the Party of No, especially when it comes to taking on China. Not only is it a political loser, we’ll be viewed as cowardly. Beijing has gotten away with economic murder for far too long. It’s time we fought back.

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Are you saying that Liberals are fabricating stories about Trump's intentions to try to stir up fear in their mindless base? Stupid is as stupid does!

it doesn't take much to stir that base. Hysterical, soft and uninformed. Easy targets for propaganda!

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See that post above?

Someone clearly has no job when first thing in the morning you go out looking for LONG (SOME of us have work to do and cannot read this lengthy screeds).

You can fold napkins all day at your local senior center. Think about it gramps. SiK your dentures and fold!

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Since you can't read more than a sentence or two, as I post another one, I just highlight what you need to pay attention to....



It's been one month since the historic US election, and Van Jones wants the country to come together. But first he wants to explain "The Messy Truth" about the political climate in the United States.

Jones began his first live TV special, "The Messy Truth," on CNN on Tuesday night with what could be described as a cold dose of reality.

"It feels nearly impossible to have a productive conversation with 'the other side'," he said. "We are still acting like one side is always right and one side is always wrong."


An outspoken Democrat who once was President Barack Obama's environmental adviser, Jones admits he is guilty of such behavior as well.

But at some point, he said, "We have got to do better."
Jones said both parties need to take a long look in the mirror. Why? "Because right now, they both kind of suck," he said.

"At our best we (Democrats) are the champions of America's downtrodden working folks. But it's also true that some very obnoxious elitism has found a home in our party. Democrats have gotten so used to saying stuff like 'red state voters are stupid' that we don't even get how stuck up and terrible that sounds to anybody with good sense. That elitist attitude may have cost us the Rust Belt. And this election." Jones said, pointing to the states that Hillary Clinton lost in Donald Trump's upset win.

He also gave his take on "The Messy Truth" about the Republican Party. "(Republicans) are the party of colorblind individual merit. That sounds great. But as much as Republicans hate to admit it, some nasty strains of some bigotry and some bias, including some actually scary white supremacists, have found a home in their party. And they don't seem to want to acknowledge that or even confront it in a serious way."

It may be easy to try to blanket both parties with general statements, but Jones said, "I am not saying that every Democrats is an elitist. And I am certainly not saying that every Republican is bigoted. Far from it. I'm saying something else. I'm saying: Neither major political party today seems to truly respect all Americans. In fact, both parties seem to disrespect an awful lot of Americans, an awful lot of the time. That is no longer a partisan problem. That is now an American problem."

It is normal to have some disagreements with your friends and family when it comes to politics, Jones said, but he called into question how we're handling such disputes with one another.

"Disagreement is good! In a dictatorship everybody has to agree. In a democracy, nobody has to agree. It's called freedom. That's the whole point of America," Jones said.

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propaganda to incite domestic terrorism

Since you can't read more than a sentence or two, as I post another one, I just highlight what you need to pay attention to....



"Disagreement is good! In a dictatorship everybody has to agree. In a democracy, nobody has to agree. It's called freedom. That's the whole point of America," Jones said.

We should all become investigators for the NSA chief about the child pornography and enslavement ring in American pizza parlors. Great use of govt funds, effort, ...

Talk about propaganda to incite domestic terrorism

What is wrong with you people????

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Following President-elect Trump's surprise phone call on Friday with the Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen, the response has been predictable if not disheartening. Academics in D.C. this morning are claiming that, “Trump…doesn’t have clue.” An expert at the University of California added that the call was “impulsive.”

Regrettably, my Democratic Party pushed back too. By its measure, Trump demonstrated his “incompetence” and threatened our national security. Senator Chris Murphy (D-CT) went so far as to say that Trump’s actions might push the nation into war with China.

What academics and my party don’t understand is that he’s not interested in starting a war. He simply recognizes that we’re already in one. And he’s giving voice to its long-suffering victims: millions of voters in places like North Carolina, Ohio, and Michigan.

To understand the battlefield, readers should travel to North Carolina and talk to the former workers at Alpha Aluminum. For decades, these swing-state voters produced foil for eventual use in cigarette packages. This past summer, however, over 100 American workers lost their jobs. The reason? Cheap Chinese aluminum imports.

The result? Carolinians are scrambling to feed their families while workers in faraway Zhenjiang collect what used to be an American paycheck.

The story of Alpha is the story of U.S. manufacturing for the past three decades. Economists in liberal enclaves pushed for “globalization,” arguing that cheap goods made abroad would fatten the pocketbooks of all us back here in the United States. Despite pleas from unions, our elected leaders happily agreed. Both Republicans and Democrats signed up for NAFTA and, later, China’s entry into the World Trade Organization.

But all did not go well. From steel plants in Ohio to furniture factories in North Carolina, American companies suddenly found themselves competing against Chinese labor that paid a few pennies to each of Joe Six Pack’s dollars. You don’t need a PhD in Keynesian economics to predict the result: U.S. companies shut down, or moved operations abroad.

To be sure, Americans have gotten a lot of cheap goods in return for this deal. But there’s a catch: millions of voters no longer have the jobs – or a livable income – to afford them. Initially, economists believed that this would be a temporary condition. Surely, they argued, these unemployed workers would find new jobs that paid just as good as the old.

Last summer, however, academics released a study that took 38 pages to acknowledge the obvious: they were wrong. It turns out that our political class had sold off the American dream to the Chinese and given blue-collar workers – and their communities – an economic nightmare in its place.

But it gets worse. That’s because China hasn’t been content to just take American jobs through unfair competition. They’re stealing them via cyber-warfare too.

Consider the case of U.S. Steel. In 2011, the Chinese government hacked its way into U.S. Steel’s computer systems and stole trade secrets. They passed the information to an assortment of Chinese steel companies, allowing these competitors to produce advanced steel products. As a consequence, we lost market share, and jobs.

Or consider the case of American Superconductor, which produces advanced software for wind turbines. In 2011, the company discovered that the Chinese Government had stolen its source code, giving it to their own corporation Sinovel. The result? Over 600 American workers lost their jobs and the company took a $1 billion hit in shareholder value. Adding insult to injury, China’s Sinovel later sold its wind turbines to the State of Massachusetts, paid for with taxpayer dollars.

The Chinese goal in all of this is clear: grow their economy through theft, and at the expense of American innovation.

Smart Democrats know this. And, indeed, President Obama made a series of threats to the Chinese demanding that they stop. But, according to my former colleagues in the intelligence community, the hacking continues.

Enter President-elect Trump and his “undiplomatic” phone call.

Only Mr. Trump knows why he accepted the call from China’s nemesis, Taiwan President Tsai Ing-wen. But Trump spokeswoman Kellyanne Conway has made it clear that the President-elect was fully aware of the call’s implications. And reporting from Trump insiders suggests that the phone call was part of a long-planned chess move to warn Beijing that our relationship was about to change.

Politically, Trump has now beaten Democrats twice in one week. His efforts in Indiana to save jobs at Carrier made him look tough and focused on the American worker. And now he’s pushing back against the greatest job killer of all: Communist China.

So rather than bash Trump reflexively, I beg my party to be smarter. Stop broadcasting knee-jerk press releases over phone calls, especially when they’re designed to punish a thief. Instead, let’s double down on Trump’s move.

How? Debt forgiveness.

China owns $1.3 trillion of U.S. debt, which is a massive burden that could otherwise go to the rebuilding of our inner cities and crumbling infrastructure. A savvy Democratic Party could suggest that Trump renegotiate that debt, deducting the total cost of what they’ve stolen from American industry – and American workers. Costs of cyber warfare on the U.S. economy are calculated at some $250 billion a year. Trump should work with the CIA, NSA, and Departments of State and Treasury to tally China’s responsibility from that amount and make them pay through bare-knuckle negotiations.

Make no mistake, Democrats cannot simply be an echo chamber for the President-elect as he tackles tough issues abroad. The country needs a faithful opposition to hold him accountable, especially when it comes to conflicts of interest related to his many foreign resorts and buildings. To the point, there are troubling reports that he’s considering a hotel deal in Taiwan’s capital Taipei.

Still, we have to be smarter than simply being the Party of No, especially when it comes to taking on China. Not only is it a political loser, we’ll be viewed as cowardly. Beijing has gotten away with economic murder for far too long. It’s time we fought back.

This has been Trump's mantra all along..."Make America Great Again". Too many, especially democrats, think it's just a silly political slogan. That's what I thought at first, but he has continued this 'rhetoric' and has expanded on it. It is refreshing to see a politician who is genuinely not concerned with consensus based on polling data. He is not as foolish as he may sound sometimes. If you can get past his mannerisms and juvenile persona, I believe he is an astute, and intelligent leader of people. He gets things accomplished, sometimes by ruffling some feathers, but the job gets done.

We have been on this PC path for so long now that we have not only stopped moving forward, we have been going backwards. Trump is the reverse polarity of political correctness. The world is a dangerous place and we have been bearing the brunt of maintaining some sense of order for far too long. It's time for some of these reckless governments to be called out instead of being coddled. We can wish for foreign governments to behave responsibly, but history tells a different story. Trump will make sure that everyone understands that there are consequences for those who mean to do harm to the US in any way.

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Here we go cons. Let's have one of those mature discussions.

“Well sometimes you have to prime the pump,” Trump told the Time editors. “So sometimes in order to get the jobs going and the country going, because look, we’re at 1% growth.”

“I was talking to the head of a major country, because most of them have called me and I’ve talked to all of them,” he went on. “[They said,] ‘Yes, we are doing not well, not well. Our GDP is only 4.5%.’ I said wow, if our GDP was 4.5% we’d be the happy ― I mean our GDP is probably less than 1% if you think about it. And going in the wrong direction.”

agree or disagree? Because to THIS observer that view seem to fly in the face of the Republican position for the last eight years. So tell you what. If as the "true conservatives" you have claimed to be you are now OPPOSING this with greater vehemence than you did Obamas stimulus package, then i guess you are at least being consistent and i can RESPECT that.

if on the other hand it's somehow different that trump proposes it, please explain as I see two possibilities :

1) you are honest and learned something last eight years and it might be nice to admit prior ignorance.

Or

2) you are either hypocrite racist or an irrational partisan who opposed obamas plan because
You are either a racist or don't put country first, respectively.

Batter up.

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Here we go cons. Let's have one of those mature discussions.



agree or disagree? Because to THIS observer that view seem to fly in the face of the Republican position for the last eight years. So tell you what. If as the "true conservatives" you have claimed to be you are now OPPOSING this with greater vehemence than you did Obamas stimulus package, then i guess you are at least being consistent and i can RESPECT that.

if on the other hand it's somehow different that trump proposes it, please explain as I see two possibilities :

1) you are honest and learned something last eight years and it might be nice to admit prior ignorance.

Or

2) you are either hypocrite racist or an irrational partisan who opposed obamas plan because
You are either a racist or don't put country first, respectively.

Batter up.

What's your question? Are you wondering if we agree with Trump's assessment or if we agree that the GDP is shrinking? I think that you get too caught up with your attempts to insult cons that you confuse the issues you're trying to discuss.

Did Rahm Emanuel look a little shaken up after his meeting with Trump or was that just my take?

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Here we go cons. Let's have one of those mature discussions.



agree or disagree? Because to THIS observer that view seem to fly in the face of the Republican position for the last eight years. So tell you what. If as the "true conservatives" you have claimed to be you are now OPPOSING this with greater vehemence than you did Obamas stimulus package, then i guess you are at least being consistent and i can RESPECT that.

if on the other hand it's somehow different that trump proposes it, please explain as I see two possibilities :

1) you are honest and learned something last eight years and it might be nice to admit prior ignorance.

Or

2) you are either hypocrite racist or an irrational partisan who opposed obamas plan because
You are either a racist or don't put country first, respectively.

Batter up.

Obama's stimulus didn't stimulate. It failed. His healthcare plan failed. His foreign policy failed. His domestic policy failed. Nothing to do with race, just poor results.

If anything, the race card saved him from a lot of very direct criticism.

Trump is off to a very good start. Can't wait until he takes office.

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What's your question? Are you wondering if we agree with Trump's assessment or if we agree that the GDP is shrinking? I think that you get too caught up with your attempts to insult cons that you confuse the issues you're trying to discuss.

Did Rahm Emanuel look a little shaken up after his meeting with Trump or was that just my take?

1) do you support the trump stimulus

2) did you support the Obama stimulus package

3) if the answer is no to one and yes to the other, you have a lot of explaining to do REGARDLESS of which you supported and which you didn't (I.e. If you decide merely on hyperpartisanship, whether pro or pro BO, there is some explaining to do (see 4 if this applies to you)

4) since you don't have details about trump plan yet it can't be nuanced differences. I support stimulus as much now as 2010 so long it's not just a trough for political allies to fatten at.

There . Tried to make it a little harder for you to duck, dodge, evade and Deflect.

But lacking an explanation from you and my own consistency on subject I'm afraid I will conclude it must be due to your racism and/or hyperpartisnanship

Be happy to have you prove me wrong be either

1) opposing trumps stimulus like you did BO's or

2) tell us you made a mistake when you supported jamming up the presidents (BO's) agenda.

Hopefully you can digest that and respond in a way that doesn't make my point for me.

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Obama's stimulus didn't stimulate. It failed. His healthcare plan failed. His foreign policy failed. His domestic policy failed. Nothing to do with race, just poor results.

If anything, the race card saved him from a lot of very direct criticism.

Trump is off to a very good start. Can't wait until he takes office.

Of course it failed. Cons never passed HIS stimulus. They watered it down.

I'd offer the details but won't until you reveal whether you are one of the cons preaching about a post-fact world. I won't engage with morons that clueless

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Of course it failed. Cons never passed HIS stimulus. They watered it down.

I'd offer the details but won't until you reveal whether you are one of the cons preaching about a post-fact world. I won't engage with morons that clueless

There is that great accountability. Has he anything ever been his fault? In office for two full terms.

Maybe you can get that Obama tattoo on your ass converted into an ode to Fidel Castro. Just add a beard and a military cap. Here to help!

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Here we go cons. Let's have one of those mature discussions.



agree or disagree? Because to THIS observer that view seem to fly in the face of the Republican position for the last eight years. So tell you what. If as the "true conservatives" you have claimed to be you are now OPPOSING this with greater vehemence than you did Obamas stimulus package, then i guess you are at least being consistent and i can RESPECT that.

if on the other hand it's somehow different that trump proposes it, please explain as I see two possibilities :

1) you are honest and learned something last eight years and it might be nice to admit prior ignorance.

Or

2) you are either hypocrite racist or an irrational partisan who opposed obamas plan because
You are either a racist or don't put country first, respectively.

Batter up.

Honest question.
If a black person disagrees with Obama policy or thinks that he's a failed President, does that make him a racist? I'm trying to figure out how all this works.
If I disagree with a gay person, am I automatically considered a homophobe?