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    Add Solar and Wind to the following list of epic Fails...


    1. The Electric Lightbulb

    … good enough for our transatlantic friends … but unworthy of the attention of practical or scientific men.

    British Parliamentary Committee, referring to Edison’s light bulb, 1878.


    Everyone acquainted with the subject will recognize it as a conspicuous failure.

    Henry Morton, president of the Stevens Institute of Technology, on Edison’s light bulb, 1880.

    The Brits get sniffy about American innovation (not for the first time) – and miss the invention of the century. Now our light bulbs comes in all shapes and sizes, and we’re eco-innovating faster than ever. Not too shabby for a conspicuous failure.


    2. The A/C

    Fooling around with alternating current is just a waste of time. Nobody will use it, ever.

    Thomas Edison, 1889.

    Oh Tom, you were doing so well. Edison enjoyed sniping at the efforts of his rival George Westinghouse (who bought the patent for a/c transmission from Nikola Tesla), and look where it got him. Fact is, it’s easier and far more efficient to distribute power with a/c than with Edison’s darling direct current. Oh, and apparently Edison was actually a bit of a jerk . Oh well.


    3. The Personal Computer

    We have reached the limits of what is possible with computers.

    John Von Neumann, 1949

    Somewhat wide of the mark. Along came the integrated circuit (better known as the microchip), and things went crazy. Computers have allowed our species to really connect. We can even study and regulate our own planet – and there’s still no computing limits in sight.


    4. The Microchip

    But what… is it good for?

    An engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, commenting on the microchip in 1968.

    Hardly anything – well, apart from virtually every piece of electronic equipment in gadgets, vehicles, computer networks, power stations, homes, offices and every other conceivable part of everyday life for this century and probably the next. But otherwise, yes – utterly useless.


    5. Data Transmission

    Before man reaches the moon, your mail will be delivered within hours from New York to Australia by guided missiles. We stand on the threshold of rocket mail.

    Arthur Summerfield, U.S. Postmaster General under Eisenhower, 1959.

    Transmission of documents via telephone wires is possible in principle, but the apparatus required is so expensive that it will never become a practical proposition.

    Dennis Gabor, Hungarian-British physicist, 1962.

    A brilliant scientist, Gabor received the Nobel Prize for inventing holography – but entirely failed to anticipate e-mail and the modem. (To be fair, so did everyone else). Nowadays, entire bookshelves can be transmitted for a few cents in the blink of an eye, making scientific collaboration a truly global enterprise. And all without rockets.


    6. Online Shopping

    Remote shopping, while entirely feasible, will flop – because women like to get out of the house, like to handle merchandise, like to be able to change their minds.

    TIME, 1966.

    It’s true that both sexes like the tactile experience of shopping in person. But e-commerce? As PayPal‘s proft margins will attest, remote shopping is here to stay – and helps get money to where it’s most needed.


    7. The Automobile

    The ordinary “horseless carriage” is at present a luxury for the wealthy; and although its price will probably fall in the future, it will never, of course, come into as common use as the bicycle.

    Literary Digest, 1899.

    If only that were true. But the infernal combustion engine shows no signs of slowing – in 2005, an estimated 53 million new cars hit the world’s streets, fuelling all sorts of problems. Happily, we’re fast rediscovering the bicycle and rethinking the automobile.


    8. The Television

    While theoretically and technically television may be feasible, commercially and financially it is an impossibility, a development of which we need waste little time dreaming.

    Lee DeForest, American radio pioneer and inventor of the vacuum tube,1926.

    Dream on. There are currently around 220 million “impossibilities” in the United States alone. TV is everywhere. It’s just a shame the old types are full of lead – but every year sees a cleaner version, like the new Philips Eco FlatTV here.


    9. Possibility

    Everything that can be invented has been invented.

    Supposedly said by Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899 – except he probably didn’t. So the last word goes to actor and humorist Peter Ustinov:

    If the world should blow itself up, the last audible voice would be that of an expert saying it can’t be done.



    In green tech, there are some truly audacious ideas that plenty of “experts” have been quick to write off – and no doubt some will fail as expected, as is the nature of innovation. But not all.

    If the history of technology offers any lesson, it’s that today’s most cynical eco experts could very well end up with egg on their faces.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      A more accurate statistic is what percent of the population is in the workforce and it is at record levels. This is a function of the rise in the number of women working. Not a single person in my development area of about 50 homes is unemployed. ZERO. Houses sit on the market for about a week. Sure the Bible Belt is still depressed but that is more a function of their "Christian values" hampering growth. Growing companies want to be on the East and West coast where they have access to highly educated, progressive thinkers who have a value set that matches the corporations values. The Midwest is hopelessly stuck in the 50's - aside from Chick Fil A and Hobby Lobby what corporation wants to be stuck in that intellectual wasteland.

      The fact that 20-somethings are living at home is a function of college debt and changing demographics. 15 years ago the majority were married at age 25/23 M/F. Now it is pushing 30. The millennials shun home ownership and they don't focus on a career and family until age 30 and beyond.
      sYou are not paying attention.
      Labor participation rate
      2009 - 65.7 %
      2016 - 62.6 %

      Just to cover new entries into the workforce , America needs 1.8 million jobs a year. Deduct from that figure for replacement jobs for those that retire and leave the workforce for legit reasons ( child care, elderly care , disability etc. ) , and the math tells you that under Obama we have fallen way short of job opportunities needed.

      This is the single reason the GDP has not shown an increase over 3 %. 18-14 year olds are till living home because they can't fins a job that pays enough for them to move out.

      The reason many are not getting married is THEY CAN"T AFFORD to. They are delaying marrying, buying homes because they aren't earning enough. Of course the College debt is a drain on many, but it was their decision to go to school. Tuition has gone up 150 % over inflation, but you don't here anyone questioning why .

      Your nonsense about your neighborhood ( again ) is just that , nonsense. Just like your $ 15 an hour minimum wage baloney.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Add Solar and Wind to the following list of epic Fails...


        1. The Electric Lightbulb

        … good enough for our transatlantic friends … but unworthy of the attention of practical or scientific men.

        British Parliamentary Committee, referring to Edison’s light bulb, 1878.


        Everyone acquainted with the subject will recognize it as a conspicuous failure.

        Henry Morton, president of the Stevens Institute of Technology, on Edison’s light bulb, 1880.

        The Brits get sniffy about American innovation (not for the first time) – and miss the invention of the century. Now our light bulbs comes in all shapes and sizes, and we’re eco-innovating faster than ever. Not too shabby for a conspicuous failure.


        2. The A/C

        Fooling around with alternating current is just a waste of time. Nobody will use it, ever.

        Thomas Edison, 1889.

        Oh Tom, you were doing so well. Edison enjoyed sniping at the efforts of his rival George Westinghouse (who bought the patent for a/c transmission from Nikola Tesla), and look where it got him. Fact is, it’s easier and far more efficient to distribute power with a/c than with Edison’s darling direct current. Oh, and apparently Edison was actually a bit of a jerk . Oh well.


        3. The Personal Computer

        We have reached the limits of what is possible with computers.

        John Von Neumann, 1949

        Somewhat wide of the mark. Along came the integrated circuit (better known as the microchip), and things went crazy. Computers have allowed our species to really connect. We can even study and regulate our own planet – and there’s still no computing limits in sight.


        4. The Microchip

        But what… is it good for?

        An engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, commenting on the microchip in 1968.

        Hardly anything – well, apart from virtually every piece of electronic equipment in gadgets, vehicles, computer networks, power stations, homes, offices and every other conceivable part of everyday life for this century and probably the next. But otherwise, yes – utterly useless.


        5. Data Transmission

        Before man reaches the moon, your mail will be delivered within hours from New York to Australia by guided missiles. We stand on the threshold of rocket mail.

        Arthur Summerfield, U.S. Postmaster General under Eisenhower, 1959.

        Transmission of documents via telephone wires is possible in principle, but the apparatus required is so expensive that it will never become a practical proposition.

        Dennis Gabor, Hungarian-British physicist, 1962.

        A brilliant scientist, Gabor received the Nobel Prize for inventing holography – but entirely failed to anticipate e-mail and the modem. (To be fair, so did everyone else). Nowadays, entire bookshelves can be transmitted for a few cents in the blink of an eye, making scientific collaboration a truly global enterprise. And all without rockets.


        6. Online Shopping

        Remote shopping, while entirely feasible, will flop – because women like to get out of the house, like to handle merchandise, like to be able to change their minds.

        TIME, 1966.

        It’s true that both sexes like the tactile experience of shopping in person. But e-commerce? As PayPal‘s proft margins will attest, remote shopping is here to stay – and helps get money to where it’s most needed.


        7. The Automobile

        The ordinary “horseless carriage” is at present a luxury for the wealthy; and although its price will probably fall in the future, it will never, of course, come into as common use as the bicycle.

        Literary Digest, 1899.

        If only that were true. But the infernal combustion engine shows no signs of slowing – in 2005, an estimated 53 million new cars hit the world’s streets, fuelling all sorts of problems. Happily, we’re fast rediscovering the bicycle and rethinking the automobile.


        8. The Television

        While theoretically and technically television may be feasible, commercially and financially it is an impossibility, a development of which we need waste little time dreaming.

        Lee DeForest, American radio pioneer and inventor of the vacuum tube,1926.

        Dream on. There are currently around 220 million “impossibilities” in the United States alone. TV is everywhere. It’s just a shame the old types are full of lead – but every year sees a cleaner version, like the new Philips Eco FlatTV here.


        9. Possibility

        Everything that can be invented has been invented.

        Supposedly said by Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents, 1899 – except he probably didn’t. So the last word goes to actor and humorist Peter Ustinov:

        If the world should blow itself up, the last audible voice would be that of an expert saying it can’t be done.



        In green tech, there are some truly audacious ideas that plenty of “experts” have been quick to write off – and no doubt some will fail as expected, as is the nature of innovation. But not all.

        If the history of technology offers any lesson, it’s that today’s most cynical eco experts could very well end up with egg on their faces.
        So easy to look back.

        Answer the questions regarding Solar. How much is it going to cost us ? How can we afford it with 21 trillion in debt? How many companies need to go belly up before we are through?

        When can we expect double digit percentage of power generation and at what cost?

        I remember siting in line to buy gasoline in the early 1970's. We were told we will be OUT OF OIL by the turn of the Century. OUT Of OIL !

        We have been down the Solar road before, and lost big.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          They put a lien on the PANELS not the house... because you are LEASING the panels...
          No that isn't true.
          I just looked over a Contract and the lien for the VALUE of the panels is attached to the deed at your local Town Hall.

          The company that installs them is protected by putting a lien for their value on you, the homeowner.

          Then when you try and get a second mortgage, sell the house, etc. that lien needs to be satisfied.

          Comment


            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            So easy to look back.
            the structure and scope of your ignorance is a wonder of the world

            Comment


              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              sYou are not paying attention.
              Labor participation rate
              2009 - 65.7 %
              2016 - 62.6 %

              Just to cover new entries into the workforce , America needs 1.8 million jobs a year. Deduct from that figure for replacement jobs for those that retire and leave the workforce for legit reasons ( child care, elderly care , disability etc. ) , and the math tells you that under Obama we have fallen way short of job opportunities needed.

              This is the single reason the GDP has not shown an increase over 3 %. 18-14 year olds are till living home because they can't fins a job that pays enough for them to move out.

              The reason many are not getting married is THEY CAN"T AFFORD to. They are delaying marrying, buying homes because they aren't earning enough. Of course the College debt is a drain on many, but it was their decision to go to school. Tuition has gone up 150 % over inflation, but you don't here anyone questioning why .

              Your nonsense about your neighborhood ( again ) is just that , nonsense. Just like your $ 15 an hour minimum wage baloney.
              An estimated 20 million Americans are working under the table. More than any other time in history - part or full time.

              Comment


                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                An estimated 20 million Americans are working under the table. More than any other time in history - part or full time.
                Exactly $2 trillion in unreported income. Most of these employers are republican I bet.

                Comment


                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Exactly $2 trillion in unreported income. Most of these employers are republican I bet.
                  You bet.

                  Can I quote you on that? Repeat it, then we can all cite it later that "sources say a majority of workers under the table are republican". If we do it enough, it can be a campaign topic to further prove how selfish they are.

                  Comment


                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Exactly $2 trillion in unreported income. Most of these employers are republican I bet.
                    A ton of Republicans are crossing the Mexican border illegally.

                    Comment


                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      You bet.

                      Can I quote you on that? Repeat it, then we can all cite it later that "sources say a majority of workers under the table are republican". If we do it enough, it can be a campaign topic to further prove how selfish they are.
                      No you can't quote me because I wrote employers and not workers. There were 2m in California alone 10 years ago.

                      Comment


                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        An estimated 20 million Americans are working under the table. More than any other time in history - part or full time.
                        Close, but not quite,

                        Although there has been an increase over the last 10-15 years, the important statistic is the percentage , not the total. The peak percentage was in 1945, with spikes in 1973, 1982 , and the early nineties . The percentage recently is similar to 2010. There are many contributing factors. The last estimate by the IRS puts it at 350-500 $$ billion dollars annually.

                        But even so, it has just replaced some of the " missing income" of real world reported wages due to dismal job growth. Since the amount of savings by Americans is down, and spending has been flat , the actual amount of money isn't as significant as thought as it is not visible as GDP growth. Of course some may go to investments and retirement savings, but it doesn't add up. In reality, unreported income doesn't count in regards to qualifications for certain entitlement benefits , so it intends to drive those expenditures higher. Untaxed income isn't circulated through the governments hands for their share.

                        As much as Progressives try, you just can't put much of a positive spin on the economic growth under Obama. It just isn't there. Too many outstanding factors , and the addition of massive debt , and future projected obligations hint at even more trouble over the horizon.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          No you can't quote me because I wrote employers and not workers. There were 2m in California alone 10 years ago.
                          Doesn't matter, we're just going with it. Accuracy doesn't mean as much as making sure we hear what we want to hear.

                          Comment


                            The tolerant left.

                            DENVER (CBS4)– A board member for the American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado has resigned after urging people to kill supporters of presidential candidate Donald Trump.

                            http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/12/1...ters-of-trump/

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                              Fern Delise, 54, of Fountain was arrested after police say she called Planned Parenthood saying, “It’s tempting to walk into a republican party meeting with my dead husband’s gun and just start shooting people.”

                              http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/12/1...ters-of-trump/

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                                All Second Amendment enthusiasts are not the same. There are those who strongly believe in the right to bear arms for purposes of self-protection against criminals and for hunting and other sports usages. And then there are those who believe the ultimate purpose of the Second Amendment is to keep revolutionary violence on the table as a fallback plan if in their view "essential rights" are threatened, including gun rights themselves.

                                You can pretty clearly put many members of the Gun Owners of America, a group that considers the NRA a bunch of accomodationist squishes, in the latter category. The group's longtime executive director, Larry Pratt, made that clear on his own radio show this week:



                                "The courts do not have the last word on what the Constitution is. They decide particular cases, they don’t make law. Their decisions, unlike the Roe v. Wade usurpation, don’t extend to the whole of society, they’re not supposed to. And we may have to reassert that proper constitutional balance, and it may not be pretty. So, I’d much rather have an election where we solve this matter at the ballot box than have to resort to the bullet box."



                                While Pratt's term "bullet box" is attracting attention, this is a very old sentiment not just among gun enthusiasts but in broad swaths of movement conservatism. Recent proclamations in favor of the right to overthrow the government as essential to the maintenance of constitutional order have come from 2016 presidential candidates Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee. But perhaps the clearest statement was made in 2012 by now-senator Joni Ernst, one of the GOP's rising stars:



                                “I have a beautiful little Smith & Wesson, 9 millimeter, and it goes with me virtually everywhere,” Ernst said at the NRA and Iowa Firearms Coalition Second Amendment Rally in Searsboro, Iowa. “But I do believe in the right to carry, and I believe in the right to defend myself and my family — whether it’s from an intruder, or whether it’s from the government, should they decide that my rights are no longer important.”



                                Ernst, of course, like other Second Amendment ultras, is implicitly arrogating to herself the right to decide when godless socialist tyranny — you know, things like Obamacare or environmental regulations or court-imposed reproductive rights — has gone so far that it's time to bring out the shooting irons and start executing one's enemies. But you have to wonder how people like Ernst and Cruz and Huckabee and Pratt would react if such rhetoric was coming from the political left — say, a black nationalist group. The right-to-revolution thinking really does boil down to Mao's famous edict that "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

                                For the present, it's enough for Pratt to remind the rest of us that his tolerance for democracy and judicial supremacy has its limits, and if pushed too far, the "bullet box" is ever-ready.

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