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Yet black life expectancy is up and white is down. Go figure. Watch those numbers change as more middle aged women smoke and drink. Trying not to be fat and bored. Reality is as economic equality improves (and it is slowly) crime drops and a lot of problems are solved when the oppressed have a little hope. A nutter victory in the election will ruin this country.

What in the world does that have to do with the post you quoted?

I can't even figure out your point. Only white women smoke and drink? Are fat and bored?

Are you saying crime is dropping? I thought we had crime epidemic, that's what I keep hearing?

I think you are just saying stuff to say it, context be damned.

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That's the point...equality with such a diverse socio-economic reality shouldn't be the goal. Why is my president and candidates pushing a federally mandated minimum wage law, when we have vastly different costs of living?

I have tried, and was successful, in getting a variance to build our poolhouse that was over the line. Rather simple process, went before the board, explained the situation, and it was granted. Not really a big deal.

Would you rather federal property line laws be instituted then, in using your example? How will that work, when someone in a city has to keep the same setback laws as someone in a rural town?

You do pay taxes, I assume? How can you not say they have not had a direct impact? I mean...you just gave them 30% of your earnings, right? I'm not advocating eliminating them, but such a strange statement to make.

Because I understand that my taxes are critical in making sure that we have an organized and efficient society. Nutters don't grasp why their taxes matter. They want lower taxes but billions spent on defense and more wars. Exactly what is the source of that cognitive dissonance. Stupidity? Ignorance? Bad at Math? What? Whining about welfare when it is just a pittance out of your pocket yet not a word about all the money we pour down the drain to build and maintain equipment that will never get used in anger. At one airfield in AZ alone there are unused mothballed aircraft that cost nearly $1 Trillion to build and maintain. Enough money to fund 25 years of SNAP benefits. How do you ignore this? How does the waste of YOUR TAX DOLLARS not sink in. I will tell you why.... because you can't blame the poor and minorities for it so it doesn't fit your agenda.

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Because I understand that my taxes are critical in making sure that we have an organized and efficient society. Nutters don't grasp why their taxes matter. They want lower taxes but billions spent on defense and more wars. Exactly what is the source of that cognitive dissonance. Stupidity? Ignorance? Bad at Math? What? Whining about welfare when it is just a pittance out of your pocket yet not a word about all the money we pour down the drain to build and maintain equipment that will never get used in anger. At one airfield in AZ alone there are unused mothballed aircraft that cost nearly $1 Trillion to build and maintain. Enough money to fund 25 years of SNAP benefits. How do you ignore this? How does the waste of YOUR TAX DOLLARS not sink in. I will tell you why.... because you can't blame the poor and minorities for it so it doesn't fit your agenda.

None of that responds to my post. It's just more off-trail ranting. It was stated:

"I can't think of a single instance when the federal government has had a direct impact on any aspect of my life"

Such an odd statement when so much of your income is given away. Again, I stated:

"I'm not advocating eliminating them", yet your rant implies I am.

Even, a local government issue was, it appears, used to prove that local government issues are more of an issue than federal. But, that example could not be more better used to argue the opposite.

It's like you aren't even trying. Just coming in, clicking off your checklist items to rant about, and moving on. It's comedy.

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None of that responds to my post. It's just more off-trail ranting. It was stated:

"I can't think of a single instance when the federal government has had a direct impact on any aspect of my life"

Such an odd statement when so much of your income is given away. Again, I stated:

"I'm not advocating eliminating them", yet your rant implies I am.

Even, a local government issue was, it appears, used to prove that local government issues are more of an issue than federal. But, that example could not be more better used to argue the opposite.

It's like you aren't even trying. Just coming in, clicking off your checklist items to rant about, and moving on. It's comedy.

Ahh. Total fail on your part. Paying taxes is part of your DUTY as a citizen. It is how organized societies function. If you can't understand that simple fact you are nuts. Sure you pay taxes on a local basis too which brings you services such as fire police trash EMT etc. But zoning laws are a direct infringement on personal liberty when they are improperly applied. Here is a concrete example: A restaurant in a certain town wanted to add a wooden elevated smoking deck on the back half of their restaurant. It was proposed at 15' x 15'. They spent three years - attended a dozen zoning board meetings and spent over $40,000 on architects fees and producing plans and documents. At the end of three years their variance was denied. No wetlands and the deck was not in view of any abutters.

Another example - the town of Portsmouth has tormented the local Toyota dealership due to a cozy relationship between some abutters and the zoning board and building commission. Ruling after ruling has been overturned by the NH supreme court. The dealership has been hundreds of thousands in legal fees.

Ever seen a house being torn down with one wall still standing. You know why they have to do that? To maintain any grandfathered dimensions outside of current zoning requirements.

I owned a vacation home in Maine. The local zoning board - in cahoots with the local hotel business - pushed through a statute making it illegal to rent your home out. This cost me nearly $10,000 in income the year it was enforced. The Maine supreme court overturned the zoning law as unconstitutional.

There are thousands of similar stories that can be told.

You lose your rights at your local town hall and not in DC.

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Because I understand that my taxes are critical in making sure that we have an organized and efficient society. Nutters don't grasp why their taxes matter. They want lower taxes but billions spent on defense and more wars. Exactly what is the source of that cognitive dissonance. Stupidity? Ignorance? Bad at Math? What? Whining about welfare when it is just a pittance out of your pocket yet not a word about all the money we pour down the drain to build and maintain equipment that will never get used in anger. At one airfield in AZ alone there are unused mothballed aircraft that cost nearly $1 Trillion to build and maintain. Enough money to fund 25 years of SNAP benefits. How do you ignore this? How does the waste of YOUR TAX DOLLARS not sink in. I will tell you why.... because you can't blame the poor and minorities for it so it doesn't fit your agenda.

It would be educational to ask all the millions and millions of people who have been invaded , conquered , tortured , raped killed, etc., throughout history if they would have rather had weapons that sat unused at their disposal.

In any event, the two best methods of self defense are avoidance, and if that doesn't work, a superior offense.

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Ahh. Total fail on your part. Paying taxes is part of your DUTY as a citizen. It is how organized societies function. If you can't understand that simple fact you are nuts. Sure you pay taxes on a local basis too which brings you services such as fire police trash EMT etc. But zoning laws are a direct infringement on personal liberty when they are improperly applied. Here is a concrete example: A restaurant in a certain town wanted to add a wooden elevated smoking deck on the back half of their restaurant. It was proposed at 15' x 15'. They spent three years - attended a dozen zoning board meetings and spent over $40,000 on architects fees and producing plans and documents. At the end of three years their variance was denied. No wetlands and the deck was not in view of any abutters.

Another example - the town of Portsmouth has tormented the local Toyota dealership due to a cozy relationship between some abutters and the zoning board and building commission. Ruling after ruling has been overturned by the NH supreme court. The dealership has been hundreds of thousands in legal fees.

Ever seen a house being torn down with one wall still standing. You know why they have to do that? To maintain any grandfathered dimensions outside of current zoning requirements.

I owned a vacation home in Maine. The local zoning board - in cahoots with the local hotel business - pushed through a statute making it illegal to rent your home out. This cost me nearly $10,000 in income the year it was enforced. The Maine supreme court overturned the zoning law as unconstitutional.

There are thousands of similar stories that can be told.

You lose your rights at your local town hall and not in DC.

So, because something is a duty, it doesn't impact you? I don't see how they correlate. Again...I'm not advocating them, but do advocate LESS of them.

So, you continue to utilize the ZBA to prove your point of town vs. federal impacts. Are you advocating that we use a federal mandate for ZBA's? What's your point? Just that, in your opinion, local governments are more of a hassle? I don't get hassled at all. But, it should go without saying (but maybe it does), that local governments have more interest in local issues. Federal governments should have no interest in local issues.

You are typing a lot, but not directly answering much.

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Nice rant.

Didn't actually address the points brought up, but nice rant anyway.

yeah right JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! until not.

Thinking people laugh at you cons for this kind of cognitive dissonance. I guess if the Democratic governor of some state did something on a cultural issue you didn't like, it would be fine to harp on the potential for lost business and jobs.

Come to think of it, maybe they all should lose their jobs down there in NC. Stupid azzes in red states don't even know how to squeeze with protests to protect their own economic futures.

See something the conservatives don't get is that if you don't live in hayseed red country, its difficult to avoid daily evidence of current reality. Those states and localities who want who pass hate legislation will be punished by the invisible hand of the market. The one that some of the same conservatives used to say they worshipped.

I remember when cons told us that the saving grace of capitalism and free markets would "correct" problems and we didn't need to intervene.

Perhaps some good NC jobs will move to blue states. Don't you think companies that pick up and go will make sure that they don't go from frying pan to fire and land in a blue state where equality and respect are in more abundance?

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Can't win.

Defend them, and you are a bible-thumpin' racist.

Don't, and you're blamed that, apparently, you aren't upset because it was voted in by a con Governor.

Or, the reality, as stated: If the market decides this will affect them, and the constituents understand their mistake, they'll repeal it.

Nobody has such an evil outlook as yourself.

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yeah right JOBS! JOBS! JOBS! until not.

Thinking people laugh at you cons for this kind of cognitive dissonance. I guess if the Democratic governor of some state did something on a cultural issue you didn't like, it would be fine to harp on the potential for lost business and jobs.

Come to think of it, maybe they all should lose their jobs down there in NC. Stupid azzes in red states don't even know how to squeeze with protests to protect their own economic futures.

See something the conservatives don't get is that if you don't live in hayseed red country, its difficult to avoid daily evidence of current reality. Those states and localities who want who pass hate legislation will be punished by the invisible hand of the market. The one that some of the same conservatives used to say they worshipped.

I remember when cons told us that the saving grace of capitalism and free markets would "correct" problems and we didn't need to intervene.

Perhaps some good NC jobs will move to blue states. Don't you think companies that pick up and go will make sure that they don't go from frying pan to fire and land in a blue state where equality and respect are in more abundance?

Regardless of your nonsense ramblings, your first sentence is telling.

Take some time and do some research and you will uncover the fact that over the last 30 years, Democrats have lost more and more of the working class of America. They used to be the Party of the working class, but they aren't anymore.

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Regardless of your nonsense ramblings, your first sentence is telling.

Take some time and do some research and you will uncover the fact that over the last 30 years, Democrats have lost more and more of the working class of America. They used to be the Party of the working class, but they aren't anymore.

Quite a feat getting people to vote against there own self interest. This is accomplished by appealing to their basest emotions. In short they engage them in caring about things that have no direct impact on their own lives - abortion gay rights etc.. Wave the flag a little spark fears against contrived and manufactured bogeymen. It really is fascinating. Liberals on the other hand are more likely to vote for people who will carry out altruistic initiatives. In short the cons are desperate to preserve an irrelevant past while progressives seek to change the world.

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I have many conservative friends in general I find discussions with them to be at about a fourth grade level. Complex concepts confound them and there is no original thought. Progressives much different. Hierarchical thinking, references to specific empirical data and facts, overall much more stimulating and believe it or not - open to new ideas and ways of thinking about old problems. The cons? Meh. Not so much. A good example is Ted Cruz. How do you solve ISIS? Carpet Bomb them. Everyone in the military laughed at that.

Bummer. And from Vox no less.

"Nothing is more confounding to the smug style than the fact that the average Republican is better educated and has a higher IQ than the average Democrat. That for every overpowered study finding superior liberal open-mindedness and intellect and knowledge,*there is one*to*suggest*that Republicans have the*better*of these qualities.

Most damning, perhaps, to the fancy liberal self-conception: Republicans score higher in susceptibility to persuasion. They are willing to change their minds more often.The Republican coalition tends toward the center: educated enough, smart enough, informed enough.The Democratic coalition in the 21st*century is bifurcated: It has the postgraduates, but it has the disenfranchised urban poor as well, a group better defined by race and immigration status than by class. There are more Americans without high school diplomas than in possession of doctoral degrees. The math proceeds from three."

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/1145137...can-liberalism

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Quite a feat getting people to vote against there own self interest. This is accomplished by appealing to their basest emotions. In short they engage them in caring about things that have no direct impact on their own lives - abortion gay rights etc.. Wave the flag a little spark fears against contrived and manufactured bogeymen. It really is fascinating. Liberals on the other hand are more likely to vote for people who will carry out altruistic initiatives. In short the cons are desperate to preserve an irrelevant past while progressives seek to change the world.

"There is a smug style in American liberalism. It has been growing these past decades. It is a way of conducting politics, predicated on the belief that American life is not divided by moral difference or policy divergence — not really — but by the failure of half the country to know what's good for them....... It has led an American ideology hitherto responsible for a great share of the good accomplished over the past century of our political life to a posture of reaction and disrespect: a condescending, defensive sneer toward any person or movement outside of its consensus, dressed up as a monopoly on reason.

.......Beginning in the middle of the 20th*century, the working class, once the core of the coalition, began abandoning the Democratic Party. In 1948, in the immediate wake of Franklin Roosevelt, 66 percent of manual laborers voted for Democrats, along with 60 percent of farmers. In 1964,*it was*55 percent of working-class voters. By 1980, it was 35 percent.The white working class in particular saw even sharper declines. Despite historic advantages with both poor and middle-class white voters, by 2012 Democrats possessed only a 2-point advantage among poor white voters. Among white voters making between $30,000 and $75,000 per year, the GOP has taken a 17-point lead.

.....Why did they abandon us?

What's the matter with Kansas?

The smug style arose to answer these questions. It provided an answer so simple and so emotionally satisfying that its success was perhaps inevitable: the theory that conservatism, and particularly the kind embraced by those*out there*in the country, was not a political ideology at all.

The trouble is that stupid hicks don't know what's good for them. They're getting conned by right-wingers and tent revivalists until they believe all the lies that've made them so wrong. They don't know any better. That's why they're voting against their own self-interest.

As anybody who has gone through a particularly nasty breakup knows, disdain cultivated in the aftermath of a divide quickly exceeds the original grievance. You lose somebody. You blame them. Soon, the blame is reason enough to keep them at a distance, the excuse to drive them even further away.

Finding comfort in the notion that their former allies were disdainful, hapless rubes, smug liberals created a culture animated by that contempt. The rubes noticed and replied in kind. The result is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/1145137...can-liberalism

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Bwahahahaha!

BILL MAHER: Let me tonight talk to the liberals for a minute. Attention Whole Foods shoppers: Put the kale down, we need to have a talk. Because this idea of being white automatically equals lame is getting out of hand.*You know who I'm talking about, the kind of person who goes who goes away to some exclusive vacation spot and comes back and says, 'It was nice, but so many white people.'...I know you're trying to demonstrate to minorities that you're a sympathetic ally by dumping on your own whiteness, but most minority folks could give a ****. They think it's ridiculous that, you, pretending to make a difference when you're just making yourself feel better. It's so white...

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Regardless of your nonsense ramblings, your first sentence is telling.

Take some time and do some research and you will uncover the fact that over the last 30 years, Democrats have lost more and more of the working class of America. They used to be the Party of the working class, but they aren't anymore.

Take some time and figure out what private sector job growth has looked like

Numbers don't lie

Tee hee bra hah a

D's still party of working class. Party of "working class" gonna support higher wages for working class, eh?

How many republicans favor higher wages for working class, even increase minimum wage?

How many d's ?

Which party is in corner of working class?

Another simple answer to simple question unless you are a fact free con

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First it was an email warning Steve House, the Colorado GOP chairman, to hide his family members and “pray you make it to Cleveland.” Then there was the angry man who called his cellphone and told him to put a gun down his throat.

“He said, ‘I’ll call back in two minutes, and if you’re still there, I’ll come over and help you,’” House recalled.

Since Donald Trump came up empty in his quest for delegates at the Republican state assembly in Colorado Springs nearly two weeks ago, his angry supporters have responded to Trump’s own claims of a “rigged” nomination process by lashing out at Republican National Committee delegates that they believe won’t support Trump at the party’s convention — including House.

The mild-mannered chairman estimates he’s gotten between 4,000 and 5,000 calls on his cellphone. Many, he says, have ended with productive conversations. He’s referred the more threatening, violent calls to police. His cellphone is still buzzing this week, as he attends the RNC quarterly meetings in Florida, and he’s not the only one.

In hotel hallways and across dinner tables, many party leaders attending this week’s meetings shared similar stories. One party chairman says a Trump supporter recently got in his face and promised “bloodshed” if Trump doesn't win the GOP presidential nomination. An Indiana delegate who criticized Trump received a note warning against “traditional burial” that ended with, “We are watching you.”

The threats come months ahead of a possible contested convention, where Trump is all but certain to enter with a plurality of delegates bound to him on the first ballot, but he could lose support on subsequent ballots, as rules will allow delegates to vote however they choose. And although the harassers are typically anonymous, many party leaders on the receiving end of these threats hold Trump himself at least partly responsible, viewing the intimidation efforts as a natural and obvious outgrowth of the candidate’s incendiary rhetoric.

The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment.

The party chairman who said a Trump backer threatened "bloodshed" at the convention also said the man told him he would "'meet me at the barricades’ if Trump isn't the nominee.” The chairman spoke on condition of anonymity.

They act like this I am fine with them being shot in the street. We are a country of laws. Lets see how tough they are when they are greeted in the streets outside the convention by law enforcement officers aremed with truncheons, tasers, rubber bullets, tear gas etc Let everyone see what is at the core of today's Republican party.