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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Cons are hard at work spinning the disastrous conclusion that the FBI was completely justified in investigating the Trump campaign.

    Trump had tweeted endlessly about what a conspiracy it was.

    Spin, spin, spin!
    Just because you libs jump at the first biased reports doesn't mean you got it right. I mean, really? Horowitz report consists of 500 pages listing 17 errors, blatant errors, made by the FBI. So do you believe that those 500 pages are excusing the FBI for their malfeasance? Do you think they did it because they are incompetent even though there is plenty of evidence of their political bias? What Horowitz said he couldn't find documented evidence of bias. Really? Isn't that why Horowitz notified Mueller of Page and Strozk's emails and they were relieved of their duties in that investigation and Strozk eventually fired? And how many of these guys have connection to Democrats? We know McCabe did through his wife's campaign. What came out of the report is the basis of the FISA application was based on a false dossier paid for by the the Clinton campaign and DNC. But there is no political bias???

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      The central question that Horowitz was tasked to investigate is was the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign legitimate. Horowitz says Yes.

      Cons now want to pretend like that was never the main concern and that it is the other secondary matters that are what matters. Hence Con’s posting of the links about the secondary matters.

      Spin spin spin!

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Cons are hard at work spinning the disastrous conclusion that the FBI was completely justified in investigating the Trump campaign.

        Trump had tweeted endlessly about what a conspiracy it was.

        Spin, spin, spin!
        “We are deeply concerned that so many basic and fundamental errors were made by three separate, hand-picked investigative teams; on one of the most sensitive FBI investigations; after the matter had been briefed to the highest levels within the FBI; even though the information sought through the use of FISA authority related so closely to an ongoing presidential campaign; and even though those involved with the investigation knew that their actions were likely to be subjected to close scrutiny. We believe this circumstance reflects a failure not just by those who prepared the FISA applications, but also by the managers and supervisors in the Crossfire Hurricane chain of command, including FBI senior officials who were briefed as the investigation progressed." - Inspector General Michael Horowitz

        But there was no political bias. Just incompetence motivated by personal (not political) bias.

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          Trump bitched and moaned on and on on about how the FBI’s investigation into his campaign was completely unwarranted and was because there was a vast conspiracy against him.

          Horowitz has said.... “umm, No.”

          So now Cons are on to the next shiny object. Lol

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            The central question that Horowitz was tasked to investigate is was the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign legitimate. Horowitz says Yes.

            Cons now want to pretend like that was never the main concern and that it is the other secondary matters that are what matters. Hence Con’s posting of the links about the secondary matters.

            Spin spin spin!
            Let me put it to you so your thick brain can comprehend.

            Turley: "Horowitz did say that the original decision to investigate was within the discretionary standard of the Justice Department. That standard for the predication of an investigation is low, simply requiring “articulable facts.” He said that, since this is a low discretionary standard, he cannot say it was inappropriate to start. United States Attorney John Durham, who is heading the parallel investigation at the Justice Department, took the unusual step to issue a statement that he did not believe the evidence supported that conclusion at the very beginning of the investigation..... Horowitz finds a litany of false and even falsified representations used to continue the secret investigation targeting the Trump campaign and its associates. This is akin to reviewing the Titanic and saying that the captain was not unreasonable in starting the voyage. The question is what occurred when the icebergs began appearing. Horowitz says that investigative icebergs appeared rather early on, and the Justice Department not only failed to report that to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court but removed evidence that its investigation was on a collision course with the facts."

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              The central question that Horowitz was tasked to investigate is was the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign legitimate. Horowitz says Yes.

              Cons now want to pretend like that was never the main concern and that it is the other secondary matters that are what matters. Hence Con’s posting of the links about the secondary matters.

              Spin spin spin!
              Let me put it to you so your thick brain can comprehend.

              Taibbi: "Much of the press is concentrating on Horowitz’s conclusion that there was no evidence of “political bias or improper motivation” in the FBI’s probe of Donald Trump’s Russia contacts, an investigation Horowitz says the bureau had “authorized purpose” to conduct. Horowitz uses phrases like “serious performance failures,” describing his 416-page catalogue of errors and manipulations as incompetence rather than corruption. However, Horowitz describes at great length an FBI whose “serious” procedural problems and omissions of “significant information” in pursuit of surveillance authority all fell in the direction of expanding the unprecedented investigation of a presidential candidate (later, a president). In one episode, an FBI attorney inserted the words “not a source” in an email he’d received from another government agency. This disguised the fact that Page had been an informant for that agency, and had dutifully told the government in real time about being approached by Russian intelligence. The attorney then passed on the email to an FBI supervisory special agent, who signed a FISA warrant application on Page that held those Russian contacts against Page, without disclosing his informant role.... Not only did obtaining a FISA warrant allow authorities a window into other Trump figures with whom Page communicated, they led to a slew of leaked “bombshell” news stories that advanced many public misconceptions, including that a court had ruled there was “probable cause” that a Trump figure was an “agent of a foreign power.” "

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                The central question that Horowitz was tasked to investigate is was the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign legitimate. Horowitz says Yes.

                Cons now want to pretend like that was never the main concern and that it is the other secondary matters that are what matters. Hence Con’s posting of the links about the secondary matters.

                Spin spin spin!
                Let me put it to you so your thick brain can comprehend.

                Soave: "The report chronicles serious wrongdoing with respect to the FBI's surveillance of Trump campaign advisor Carter Page, and is ultimately a damning indictment of the the nation's top law enforcement agency. All Americans should have serious concerns about the FBI's respect for constitutional principles, ability to carefully evaluate conflicting information, and its competency in general.

                Many in the media have focused on the fact that the OIG report failed to turn up any evidence that the FBI's investigation of the Trump campaign's possible connections to Russia was politically motivated.... In general, the Trump-critical mainstream media has treated the faltering of the most fervent pro-Trump partisans' conspiracy theory about a deep state coup as some kind of full acquittal of the FBI. It's not. The OIG report is a chronicle of massive government wrongdoing."

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Statement of U.S. Attorney John H. Durham

                  “I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff. However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S. Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened.”

                  https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/s...-john-h-durham
                  Horowitz just states that he’s not aware of anything he wouldn’t have access to so I think it’s pretty clear Durham working on the made up kind.

                  I hear Durhams report , out togethet with the help of mysterious foreign sources , is expected to drop around June.

                  Interesting .

                  Horowitz sticking by his guns .....

                  Good luck cons ....

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    The central question that Horowitz was tasked to investigate is was the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign legitimate. Horowitz says Yes.

                    Cons now want to pretend like that was never the main concern and that it is the other secondary matters that are what matters. Hence Con’s posting of the links about the secondary matters.

                    Spin spin spin!
                    Let me put it to you so your thick brain can comprehend.

                    Lake: "The senior officials and agents who opened the investigation, says the report, made serious mistakes but were not motivated by political bias. Some Democrats, predictably, are claiming vindication. Some Republicans, just as predictably, are challenging its findings. Neither side is completely wrong — or right, for that matter — but the Democrats might want to show a bit more humility. The report is devastating about the FBI’s court-ordered surveillance of a Trump campaign aide in what was known as “Crossfire Hurricane,” the investigation into whether Trump and his campaign colluded with Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. ... In particular, Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report concludes that the bureau’s application for a warrant to electronically spy on a former Trump campaign aide, Carter Page, was riddled with errors of fact and omitted exculpatory information. The application relied on political opposition research from a former British spy, Christopher Steele, whose credibility was exaggerated in the surveillance warrant application to a secret court. On its own, the fate of Page is not important. It matters because his surveillance gives the public a window into how the process for obtaining electronic surveillance warrants from a secret court can be easily gamed."

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      The central question that Horowitz was tasked to investigate is was the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign legitimate. Horowitz says Yes.

                      Cons now want to pretend like that was never the main concern and that it is the other secondary matters that are what matters. Hence Con’s posting of the links about the secondary matters.

                      Spin spin spin!
                      Let me put it to you so your thick brain can comprehend.

                      Hina Shamsi, the director of the ACLU’s national security project: "When the Justice Department’s Inspector General finds significant concerns regarding flawed surveillance applications concerning the president's campaign advisors, it is clear that this regime lacks basic safeguards and is in need of serious reform. While the report found that there wasn't an improper purpose or initiation of the investigation, it also found significant problems that are alarming from a civil liberties perspective."

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Horowitz just states that he’s not aware of anything he wouldn’t have access to so I think it’s pretty clear Durham working on the made up kind.

                        I hear Durhams report , out togethet with the help of mysterious foreign sources , is expected to drop around June.

                        Interesting .

                        Horowitz sticking by his guns .....

                        Good luck cons ....
                        Let me put it to you so your thick brain can comprehend.

                        IG Horowitz: Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson “declined our requests for voluntary interviews and we were unable to compel [his] testimony.”

                        Durham has subpoena power. Horowitz did not which is why Simpson was never interviewed by Horowitz.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Let me put it to you so your thick brain can comprehend.

                          Lake: "The senior officials and agents who opened the investigation, says the report, made serious mistakes but were not motivated by political bias. Some Democrats, predictably, are claiming vindication. Some Republicans, just as predictably, are challenging its findings. Neither side is completely wrong — or right, for that matter — but the Democrats might want to show a bit more humility. The report is devastating about the FBI’s court-ordered surveillance of a Trump campaign aide in what was known as “Crossfire Hurricane,” the investigation into whether Trump and his campaign colluded with Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. ... In particular, Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s report concludes that the bureau’s application for a warrant to electronically spy on a former Trump campaign aide, Carter Page, was riddled with errors of fact and omitted exculpatory information. The application relied on political opposition research from a former British spy, Christopher Steele, whose credibility was exaggerated in the surveillance warrant application to a secret court. On its own, the fate of Page is not important. It matters because his surveillance gives the public a window into how the process for obtaining electronic surveillance warrants from a secret court can be easily gamed."

                          😂😂😂😂

                          Lol the same Eli Lake who admitted he got rolled by Deven Nunes ?

                          In March 2017, Lake reported, inaccurately, that an intelligence official had shown House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes intelligence reports that allegedly included inappropriate details about the Trump transition team's communications. Lake later acknowledged that Nunes had "misled" him and that the reports had in fact been given to Nunes by a White House staffer, raising questions about whether Nunes' investigation was truly independent of the White House.

                          So that’s the best you can do?
                          Thanks for playing con!

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                            Wow! These libs ain't too smaht, are they?

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              😂😂😂😂

                              Lol the same Eli Lake who admitted he got rolled by Deven Nunes ?




                              So that’s the best you can do?
                              Thanks for playing con!
                              Nice try TMan, but why not address his points and the same points made by the other three?

                              Would you like to start with this point Taibbi made?

                              Democrats are not going to want to hear this, since conventional wisdom says former House Intelligence chief Devin Nunes is a conspiratorial evildoer, but the Horowitz report ratifies the major claims of the infamous “Nunes memo.”

                              As noted, Horowitz establishes that the Steele report was crucial to the FISA process, even using the same language Nunes used (“essential”). He also confirms the Nunes assertion that the FBI double-dipped in citing both Steele and a September 23, 2016 Yahoo! news story using Steele as an unnamed source. Horowitz listed the idea that Steele did not directly provide information to the press as one of seven significant “inaccuracies or omissions” in the first FISA application.

                              Horowitz also verifies the claim that Steele was “closed for cause” for talking to the media, i.e. officially cut off as a confidential human source to the FBI. He shows that Steele continued to talk to Justice Official Bruce Ohr before and after Steele’s formal relationship with the FBI ended. His report confirms that the Steele information had not been corroborated when the FISA application was submitted, another key Nunes point.

                              There was gnashing of teeth when Nunes first released his memo in January, 2018. The press universally crapped on his letter, with a Washington Post piece calling it a “joke” and a “sham.” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi slammed Nunes for the release of a “bogus” document, while New York Senator Chuck Schumer said the memo was intended to “sow conspiracy theories and attack the integrity of federal law enforcement.” Many called for his removal as Committee chair.

                              The Horowitz report says all of that caterwauling was off-base. It also undercuts many of the assertions made in a ballyhooed response letter by Nunes counterpart Adam Schiff, who described the FBI’s “reasonable basis” for deeming Steele credible. The report is especially hostile to Schiff’s claim that the FBI “provided additional information obtained through multiple independent sources that corroborated Steele’s reporting.”

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                                Obama spied, the FBI lied, but Trump is being impeached???

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