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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Obama has just passed ACA and wasn’t facing prison


    I’m ok with this. Trump won’t be leaving office with approval as high as Obama
    So wait, Obama just passed ACA, was not facing prison, and his approval rates are the same as Trumps?

    You consider that a good thing?

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      CNN wants you to know this :


      Melania Trump's poll numbers plummet

      Instead of this :

      After 2 years in office, Trump’s approval rating matches Obama’s at same point of presidency
      No one cares about Obama from 2010 - btw when the economy still really sucked. I could care less about Melania's or Michelle's numbers either. They're aren't/weren't the president. One did an excellent job on multiple programs. One doesn't care and decorates with blood red Christmas trees

      It really is an amazing phenomenon how you cons try to deflect all the time

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        I haven't acknowledged hearing any tape....

        How do we know Obama didn't? His word?

        Do you believe the people in charge should be held responsible for their employees/staff?
        Well while you hide under your bed the rest of the world has heard your President conspire with Cohen to break the law

        Big reveal ^^^^ they ignore evidence of trumps guilt

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          OBAMA did not personally direct his subordinates to break campaign finance laws. Some beurocratic at campaign did.

          Very different . You acknowledged hearing tape . Trump betrayed advance knowledge ...intent to commit crime = conspiracy

          True to keep up dummy you are well behindnthe world here
          Obama's fines were all about missed paperwork, late filings etc. Pidly things he wouldn't have had anything to do with. Very different then telling people to pay others off to stay quiet.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Well while you hide under your bed the rest of the world has heard your President conspire with Cohen to break the law

            Big reveal ^^^^ they ignore evidence of trumps guilt
            Pecker and AMI have also said they worked at the direction of candidate Trump. Not just one but two violations.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Well while you hide under your bed the rest of the world has heard your President conspire with Cohen to break the law

              Big reveal ^^^^ they ignore evidence of trumps guilt


              Sounds like you think leaders are NOT responsible for their subordinate's actions? Hard to tell since you don't really answer questions when asked.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Cohen is facing three years in prison (set to begin March 6) and $2 million in fines, forfeitures and restitution for what? Perhaps TMan might like to tell us all because it sure isn't a over campaign violation.
                Hahahahahahahahahwhaha

                Keep up your petty smallball

                #trumpguiltyassin

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Cohen is facing three years in prison (set to begin March 6) and $2 million in fines, forfeitures and restitution for what? Perhaps TMan might like to tell us all because it sure isn't a over campaign violation.
                  Cohen pleaded guilty to eight criminal charges: five counts of tax evasion, one count of making false statements to a financial institution, one count of willfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate for the "principal purpose of influencing [the] election." Specifically he engaged in a massive $1.4 million tax fraud which he is required to make restitution. There’s also a $500,000 reimbursement and a $50,000 fine. All the specifics are actually hard to come by because the lamestream media is so focused on the Stormy payment. What is known Cohen was involved with taxi medallions, which has a notorious history, and was shifting focus to marijuana production. Cohen's taxi fleet is operated by Gene Freidman, who is also facing legal trouble for alleged tax evasion.

                  https://www.apnews.com/f25ba6551a8144f2bef149c0ff80b169


                  This BS that Trump led him astray is just that, BS. Cohen got rich through his questionable business dealings that had nothing to do with Trump. But he certainly used his connections to Trump to money Companies like AT&T and Novartis among others gave him millions of dollars for access and influence over President Trump. Franklin L. Haney agreed to pay Cohen $10 million if he successfully lobbied for the United States Department of Energy to finance the Bellefonte Nuclear Generating Station, or a reduced fee if the funding targets were only partially met.

                  https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/...torney/476312/

                  Jack Abramoff certainly told the public how dirty politics are back in 2012. Nobody in Washington gave a sh*t then nor now. Wake me up when someone seriously does give a sh*t. Frankly I think the hysterical hatred of Trump is because he played their games for decades and now the political elite are sweating bullets that they are going to be exposed.

                  Just look at what's going on with Bloomberg now. Their executives were all playing the same games, but the media will never suggest that former New York mayor, Michael Bloomberg, knew anything about it. Ya right.

                  https://blogs.wsj.com/riskandcomplia...truction-case/

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Sounds like you think leaders are NOT responsible for their subordinate's actions? Hard to tell since you don't really answer questions when asked.
                    Foreknowledge and conspiracy to commit a crime are very different no one but a hard core Cult45 member would think otherwise

                    Note - you are lonely here as is trump . Support from your con brothers bleeding away because they aren’t insane like you?

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                      Trump

                      I hire the “best “ people

                      Gonna just leave that there and say trump did it to himself so now it’s time to MAN up and stop the snowflake stuff

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        So wait, Obama just passed ACA, was not facing prison, and his approval rates are the same as Trumps?

                        You consider that a good thing?
                        Yes here’s why 😊:

                        Your snapshot of Obama is after a bruising divided fight ...his approval went up and tell us where he left office ?

                        Trump has NEVER enjoyed majority approval ....ever

                        Bwa ha ha

                        If this is what you are holding on to, you made my day

                        😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

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                          Here's the other favorite cons keep trying to bring up with Trump is John Edwards. As laid out in this piece here, Edwards case is similar but yet also very different from Trump. A few highlights

                          https://abovethelaw.com/2018/12/stop...edwardss-case/

                          1. TRUMP’S CO-CONSPIRATORS ADMIT TO THE FRAUDULENT CONSPIRACY

                          Do you remember that time John Edwards’s personal attorney pleaded in open court to violating campaign finance laws and lying to Congress at the behest of the candidate? No, you don’t remember that, because that DIDN’T HAPPEN to John Edwards.

                          Trump’s personal attorney, Michael Cohen, just got sent to jail. He admitted to paying off two women, Stephanie Clifford and Karen McDougal. He admitted to lying about it. He alleges that he did so at the behest of Donald Trump.

                          John Edwards did have co-conspirators rolling on him. But the prosecution could not show that either Edwards, or anybody on his staff, solicited campaign contributions specifically for the purposes of paying off his mistress, Rielle Hunter. There was no tape of Edwards telling his lawyer to make it “cash.” There was no tape of Edwards pretending to know nothing about the hush money payments that he himself ordered.

                          2. THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER WAS PART OF THE HUSH MONEY SCHEME
                          Karen McDougal has always been a bigger danger to Trump than Stormy Daniels because of AMI’s involvement. Trump’s defenses against campaign finance violations involving McDougal basically requires Cohen and David Pecker to organize expensive payments and underhanded schemes to kill McDougal’s story, without once asking Trump, “Hey, did you f**k Karen McDougal?”

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Obama's fines were all about missed paperwork, late filings etc. Pidly things he wouldn't have had anything to do with. Very different then telling people to pay others off to stay quiet.
                            Potentially, I agree with you. I think we need proof of the latter; and we'll never really know on the former. Could he have just have been better at hiding it? Maybe. Could it all be on the up-and-up? I do tend to lean that way, to be truthful. Not much in Trump's history tells me he wouldn't try to something sneaky so I'm leaning in your direction.

                            But, as a follow up, does lack of knowledge of an organization's actions absolve you of responsibility? I mean, he paid the fine (or the fine was paid) so I guess he did accept responsibility? I don't recall the specifics other than some basic details.

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                              So Cohen only has one count of campaign finance fraud

                              Ami has one

                              Trump conspired with both so TWO SCOOPs of election fraud felony for him.

                              Would you Cons care for a conspiracy “topping” on that

                              Nancy goin to request the tax returns BTW.

                              Good luck cons . Merry Christmas

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Yes here’s why 😊:

                                Your snapshot of Obama is after a bruising divided fight ...his approval went up and tell us where he left office ?

                                Trump has NEVER enjoyed majority approval ....ever

                                Bwa ha ha

                                If this is what you are holding on to, you made my day

                                😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
                                Obama gets the credit for bruising, divided fights...but Trump does not?

                                Since Trump hasn't left the office, I will hold off on predictions since we all know how predictions go...right?

                                I think you missed the mark with your example here.

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