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We are way past your callous posts about denunciation. Please show some forebearance and just avoid talking right now like myself and everyone else until you just had to go off.

Just like trump's grudging concession two days late, delivered through gritted teeth only because his support is at a new low, if you aren't saying the words

"Domestic terrorism"

Right now you are part of the problem and NOT a solution.

If being respectful to everyone, of all colors, races, creeds, orientations, beliefs, backgrounds, nationalities, fans of a particular team, shoe size, hand size etc - whether I agree with their opinions or not - is the problem...then I guess you got me.

I'm comfortable with the lack of hate that drives me, and how my family is raised. I will continue to denounce the violence, and denounce the hate, and you can't stop me.

You can live your life concentrating on everything that is bad and let hate drive your day, and that's your right. But, you won't get me to go down to that level. And, nor will the domestic terrorist(s) responsible for these actions.

-Sock Puppet

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If being respectful to everyone, of all colors, races, creeds, orientations, beliefs, backgrounds, nationalities, fans of a particular team, shoe size, hand size etc - whether I agree with their opinions or not - is the problem...then I guess you got me.

I'm comfortable with the lack of hate that drives me, and how my family is raised. I will continue to denounce the violence, and denounce the hate, and you can't stop me.

You can live your life concentrating on everything that is bad and let hate drive your day, and that's your right. But, you won't get me to go down to that level. And, nor will the domestic terrorist(s) responsible for these actions.

-Sock Puppet

You picked the scab by breaking the silence with a canned comment that has been thrown around before on this forum. Like our president's statement, you obviously were not speaking sincerely , from the heart with a message of healing to serve that up after two days.

I'll leave it at that and others can judge as they wish.

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You picked the scab by breaking the silence with a canned comment that has been thrown around before on this forum. Like our president's statement, you obviously were not speaking sincerely , from the heart with a message of healing to serve that up after two days.

I'll leave it at that and others can judge as they wish.

No, I was away from a PC all weekend.

I was back at work today, and wanted to chime in to let it be known, clearly and concisely as possible, that I condemned the actions, and the thoughts that drove them.

If I didn't, you would be coming on here asking why nobody did and tossing the hypocrite label out there.

So, yes, I do condemn the violence, and I do indeed condemn the hate.

Off for now, you can keep up with the hateful rhetoric in my absence.

-Sock Puppet

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Dear Boris, Sock Puppet, et al,

Thank you for restraint in posting. As the days go on , please know that I have opened the tent to those who look at past days, decide to get off the trump train, and join together to address our shared national nightmare. Consider it. Regardless of how it came about, we all share the same future issues

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Dear Boris, Sock Puppet, et al,

Thank you for restraint in posting. As the days go on , please know that I have opened the tent to those who look at past days, decide to get off the trump train, and join together to address our shared national nightmare. Consider it. Regardless of how it came about, we all share the same future issues

What Statue are you planning to topple? What part of History are you attempting to erase ?

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What Statue are you planning to topple?

None at all. People like myself on the left don't leave our homes in blues states to terrorize a community like Charlottesville. It is the residents of that town by the way who are working out whether or not to remove statue in a legal process.

The statue by the way is to a man not reviled because he owned slaves as most of his contemporaries in VA did. He was known as being toward the extremely cruel side of slave owners but it isn't for that either.

It's because he was once an officer of the US army and took up arms against it in rebellion. Traitor. That's why Lincoln's war cabinet confiscated his plantation in Arlington , VA and that is now where we bury our honored war dead , starting with union soldiers that defeated Lee.

These are historical facts so I thought I would educate young minds while answering your question honestly.

What part of History are you attempting to erase ?

None. In fact I want ALL of this statutes treated well and preserved and placed in museum collections where people can reflect on the people they represent as well as the historical hiccup that led to people like yourself caring so much that shrines to TREASONOUS slave holders matter so much to you. Wierd. You don't have sympathies wth the alt-right, do you?

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This kind of sums up where we are right now.

http://preview.ibb.co/gkuX4v/DHTJUBFXo_AEc8_SM.jpg

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None at all. People like myself on the left don't leave our homes in blues states to terrorize a community like Charlottesville. It is the residents of that town by the way who are working out whether or not to remove statue in a legal process.

The statue by the way is to a man not reviled because he owned slaves as most of his contemporaries in VA did. He was known as being toward the extremely cruel side of slave owners but it isn't for that either.

It's because he was once an officer of the US army and took up arms against it in rebellion. Traitor. That's why Lincoln's war cabinet confiscated his plantation in Arlington , VA and that is now where we bury our honored war dead , starting with union soldiers that defeated Lee.

These are historical facts so I thought I would educate young minds while answering your question honestly.



None. In fact I want ALL of this statutes treated well and preserved and placed in museum collections where people can reflect on the people they represent as well as the historical hiccup that led to people like yourself caring so much that shrines to TREASONOUS slave holders matter so much to you. Wierd. You don't have sympathies wth the alt-right, do you?

Regardless of the nature and history of the Monument, it is irrelevant. What is relevant is what the Legal decision is regarding the status. After due process, not by opinion.

If there has not been a Court Order, or Legislative action or other such Government edict to remove it, it stays. The fact that some may disagree is just the way it is.

Now here are some relevant facts. The initial protestors ( Neo Nazis, KKK, whatever , again irrelevant) received a Permit, after the ACLU assisted. At that point, the city / state was put on notice, and by granting a Permit, they had the responsibility of maintaining public safety and order.
Those that arrived to Protest those that had a Legal permit to do so, did not have a Permit.

There was a Legal Right to Protest. They took the steps to get a Permit. Violence only started when their demonstration was disrupted by those that did not have a Legal right to confront them.

You, and others, may not like what Demonstrators. and Protestors have to say. But they have a Legal Right to say it, within certain limits of course ( can't yell fire in a crowded theatre. ) .
And your right is simply not to listen. No one has a right to disrupt protected speech that is being displayed after getting a Permit by physical confrontation , unless it is perhaps self defense.
To do so is Anarchy.

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Regardless of the nature and history of the Monument, it is irrelevant. What is relevant is what the Legal decision is regarding the status. After due process, not by opinion.

If there has not been a Court Order, or Legislative action or other such Government edict to remove it, it stays. The fact that some may disagree is just the way it is.

Now here are some relevant facts. The initial protestors ( Neo Nazis, KKK, whatever , again irrelevant) received a Permit, after the ACLU assisted. At that point, the city / state was put on notice, and by granting a Permit, they had the responsibility of maintaining public safety and order.
Those that arrived to Protest those that had a Legal permit to do so, did not have a Permit.

There was a Legal Right to Protest. They took the steps to get a Permit. Violence only started when their demonstration was disrupted by those that did not have a Legal right to confront them.

You, and others, may not like what Demonstrators. and Protestors have to say. But they have a Legal Right to say it, within certain limits of course ( can't yell fire in a crowded theatre. ) .
And your right is simply not to listen. No one has a right to disrupt protected speech that is being displayed after getting a Permit by physical confrontation , unless it is perhaps self defense.
To do so is Anarchy.

Incredibly well stated. I have zero use for either side here. Fringe actors who I would not want to associate with under any circumstances.

This is no different than those maggots from Westboro Baptist who protest at military funerals. Vile, repugnant scum. However their right to be that is protected. I need not agree, like or participate. I just cannot violently interrupt.

Pretty sure the vast majority of people agree. Trump needs a new PR person though. These unforced errors will be magnified, manipulated and recycled. He has to stop speaking off script on controversial topics. Period.

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Add me as another in agreement. Cannot stand the message, but do believe in their right to legally voice it.

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Regardless of the nature and history of the Monument, it is irrelevant. What is relevant is what the Legal decision is regarding the status. After due process, not by opinion.

If there has not been a Court Order, or Legislative action or other such Government edict to remove it, it stays. The fact that some may disagree is just the way it is.

Now here are some relevant facts. The initial protestors ( Neo Nazis, KKK, whatever , again irrelevant) received a Permit, after the ACLU assisted. At that point, the city / state was put on notice, and by granting a Permit, they had the responsibility of maintaining public safety and order.
Those that arrived to Protest those that had a Legal permit to do so, did not have a Permit.

There was a Legal Right to Protest. They took the steps to get a Permit. Violence only started when their demonstration was disrupted by those that did not have a Legal right to confront them.

You, and others, may not like what Demonstrators. and Protestors have to say. But they have a Legal Right to say it, within certain limits of course ( can't yell fire in a crowded theatre. ) .
And your right is simply not to listen. No one has a right to disrupt protected speech that is being displayed after getting a Permit by physical confrontation , unless it is perhaps self defense.
To do so is Anarchy.

If you're going to attempt to post in legalese you should at least try to get it right.

From the ACLU website...


http://preview.ibb.co/cP5JcF/IMG_5616.jpg

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If you're going to attempt to post in legalese you should at least try to get it right.

From the ACLU website...


http://preview.ibb.co/cP5JcF/IMG_5616.jpg

" voice their displeasure "
But they didn't stop at that, did they ?
They can't physically confront them,. and they did.
You are splitting hairs.
They physically confronted those that had a valid Permit to protest.
And regardless of what their website says, each and every incident is a separate one, and any rulings on the legality of any ones actions or inactions are subject to due process.
" voicing displeasure " may be construed or perceived as inciting a riot, threatening, etc.
The fact that THEY didn't have a Permit could be a substantial fact in any Court proceeding.
That's what due process is for.
And what of the Police, and their inability to keep the protestors separate ?


And lastly, why is it that all of a sudden all these statues are so controversial ? Why wasn't it questioned when Obama, Bush , Clinton etc . were in Office? .

Could it be that it is a carefully sort out agenda, fueled by the MSM ? Another step towards get rid of Trump now the the Russian Hysteria has died down ? And the Press Conference was a bigger story than North Korea backing down ? How stupid does the MSM think Americans are. Or are they counting on it each and every day by producing the drumbeat ?

Agenda. That's the key word.

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Incredibly well stated. I have zero use for either side here. Fringe actors who I would not want to associate with under any circumstances.

This is no different than those maggots from Westboro Baptist who protest at military funerals. Vile, repugnant scum. However their right to be that is protected. I need not agree, like or participate. I just cannot violently interrupt.

Pretty sure the vast majority of people agree. Trump needs a new PR person though. These unforced errors will be magnified, manipulated and recycled. He has to stop speaking off script on controversial topics. Period.

Thank you ( OP )
That's Trump's flaw. He is unfiltered.
And I agree, I have no use for any of them. I don't support their views, but I have to accept their right to state them under the law.

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" voice their displeasure "
But they didn't stop at that, did they ?
They can't physically confront them,. and they did.
You are splitting hairs.
They physically confronted those that had a valid Permit to protest.
And regardless of what their website says, each and every incident is a separate one, and any rulings on the legality of any ones actions or inactions are subject to due process.
" voicing displeasure " may be construed or perceived as inciting a riot, threatening, etc.
The fact that THEY didn't have a Permit could be a substantial fact in any Court proceeding.
That's what due process is for.
And what of the Police, and their inability to keep the protestors separate ?


And lastly, why is it that all of a sudden all these statues are so controversial ? Why wasn't it questioned when Obama, Bush , Clinton etc . were in Office? .

Could it be that it is a carefully sort out agenda, fueled by the MSM ? Another step towards get rid of Trump now the the Russian Hysteria has died down ? And the Press Conference was a bigger story than North Korea backing down ? How stupid does the MSM think Americans are. Or are they counting on it each and every day by producing the drumbeat ?

Agenda. That's the key word.

You said ... "Violence only started when their demonstration was disrupted by those that did not have a Legal right to confront them."

You were/are wrong. As per the ACLU info, they were within their legal right to confront them (voice their displeasure).

Some of the first 'punches' were thrown by the Demonstrators, some were thrown by anti-Demonstrators. One person is dead and the Demonstrator that killed her, and injured 19 others, will be convicted of her murder.

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You said ... "Violence only started when their demonstration was disrupted by those that did not have a Legal right to confront them."

You were/are wrong. As per the ACLU info, they were within their legal right to confront them (voice their displeasure).

Some of the first 'punches' were thrown by the Demonstrators, some were thrown by anti-Demonstrators. One person is dead and the Demonstrator that killed her, and injured 19 others, will be convicted of her murder.

The ACLU website does not have the final say.
Due process may reveal that they DID not have that right, because their actions may have been threatening, inciting a riot, etc. etc.
The key is if they did not " confront" those that were legally protesting, would there have been violence? The Counter Protestors came armed. Was that within their legal right. Does " voicing their displeasure " mean they can carry a baseball bat, mace, a stick while doing so ?

You need to get out of lockstep and think rationally. Stop believing what your Drum majors beat into you.

The fact that a nut drove his car and killed someone is a separate matter. He should be tried and be responsible as the law states.