Will HS soccer happen?

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Enjoy Trump, Barr, McConnell et al as they trample your finely worded second to last paragraph.
Tyranny of Three

In Ny, they closed the parks because idiots were playing full court hoops. Hard to social distance.
And guns do not equal freedom...biggest perversion of words in history.
Second only to “I’m from the gov’t and I’m here to help.
Otherwise well written with some thought.
I disagree, but thanks for the civil discourse.
(Lay off the sheep BS though—it’s getting old)

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Enjoy Trump, Barr, McConnell et al as they trample your finely worded second to last paragraph.
Tyranny of Three

So far, Trump and the Republican party has been much more in-line with what I wrote than any Democrat. You are socialists, communists and anarchists. None of which aligns with what I wrote. A government founded on the principles of protecting individual rights is antagonistic to the left's world view. Trump was an outsider to the political machinations of either the right or the left, but it was only natural he would align with the right given their propensity for pro-business/low-taxes/less government intervention. I have no issue with my vote nor will it change come November.

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The poster shared a frank assessment of the current situation. He did not share nor set a threshold for what acceptable risk means to him. While I respect him and (already admitted) that I wholly agree with his (?) assessment, I also shared that I disagree with the interpretation.

The risks of a 2nd wave, and scenarios from pre-mature opening that still remain simulations, projections, and giant what-ifs. We DO know more about this virus and how to treat it, including who it impacts, and who it doesn't. Hospitals now have the capacity. Despite the great respirators/ventilator chase, we never actually came close to running out, because we realized that the weren't even the right intervention for many patients. Baker shared that MA was at 56% occupancy at peak in hospitals. The emergency hospital staging areas in Boston, and the red cross ship off Manhattan were woefully under-utilized.

I understand that many find this distasteful, but to me it IS relevant to the re-opening HS conversation that the median age for Covid deaths is 81 years-old, and that the most horrific outcomes concentrate on compromised populations. The right answer is to protect those populations and provide them with reasonable accommodations to continue to work/teach from home, and reasonable methods of protecting themselves. I do find it unreasonable to expect 99.9% of us be forced to accommodate 0.1%.

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In Ny, they closed the parks because idiots were playing full court hoops. Hard to social distance.
And guns do not equal freedom...biggest perversion of words in history.
Second only to “I’m from the gov’t and I’m here to help.
Otherwise well written with some thought.
I disagree, but thanks for the civil discourse.
(Lay off the sheep BS though—it’s getting old)

It takes a very contorted view of the wording of the 2nd Amendment to think that individuals shouldn't have the freedom to bear arms. When people talk about freedom, that is generally what is understood: the freedom to make a personal choice regarding firearms. No one forces someone to pick up a gun (barring the government in a draft), but plenty actively act to prevent people from being able to make that choice.

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The poster shared a frank assessment of the current situation. He did not share nor set a threshold for what acceptable risk means to him. While I respect him and (already admitted) that I wholly agree with his (?) assessment, I also shared that I disagree with the interpretation.

The risks of a 2nd wave, and scenarios from pre-mature opening that still remain simulations, projections, and giant what-ifs. We DO know more about this virus and how to treat it, including who it impacts, and who it doesn't. Hospitals now have the capacity. Despite the great respirators/ventilator chase, we never actually came close to running out, because we realized that the weren't even the right intervention for many patients. Baker shared that MA was at 56% occupancy at peak in hospitals. The emergency hospital staging areas in Boston, and the red cross ship off Manhattan were woefully under-utilized.

I understand that many find this distasteful, but to me it IS relevant to the re-opening HS conversation that the median age for Covid deaths is 81 years-old, and that the most horrific outcomes concentrate on compromised populations. The right answer is to protect those populations and provide them with reasonable accommodations to continue to work/teach from home, and reasonable methods of protecting themselves. I do find it unreasonable to expect 99.9% of us be forced to accommodate 0.1%.

This seems accurate. There are a number of pundits that now feel governors, Democrats especially, are delaying or extending reopening because now that we have real information regarding the disease, it is clear the shutdown was an incorrect reaction and they are trying to control the narrative. If governors can change the narrative and show that there is still a need, they many won't question the initial decision to shut down.

There has always been a disagreement regarding how much government intervention is required to protect the interests of "X%" of the population. SNAP, EITC, Section 8 and rent control, capital gains vs. income. All government is about balancing the interests of various groups. This is no different.

At the end of the day, Sweden was correct in that the risk to the country as a whole was not greater than the risk to older/compromised citizens. I'm not really sure why so many struggle with this here in the US. Half of school population of urban public schools in on SNAP because they don't have regular access to food. We don't shut down an entire economy (or in this case tax it into oblivion) because kids are starving. We did do this because older adults were dying. My personal feeling is the assets and voting power of this demographic has/had much to do with the decision to "protect" them as much as possible even at the expense of younger generations. This was short-sighted and those younger generations won't make that same mistake when of voting age is my guess.

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This seems accurate. There are a number of pundits that now feel governors, Democrats especially, are delaying or extending reopening because now that we have real information regarding the disease, it is clear the shutdown was an incorrect reaction and they are trying to control the narrative. If governors can change the narrative and show that there is still a need, they many won't question the initial decision to shut down.

There has always been a disagreement regarding how much government intervention is required to protect the interests of "X%" of the population. SNAP, EITC, Section 8 and rent control, capital gains vs. income. All government is about balancing the interests of various groups. This is no different.

At the end of the day, Sweden was correct in that the risk to the country as a whole was not greater than the risk to older/compromised citizens. I'm not really sure why so many struggle with this here in the US. Half of school population of urban public schools in on SNAP because they don't have regular access to food. We don't shut down an entire economy (or in this case tax it into oblivion) because kids are starving. We did do this because older adults were dying. My personal feeling is the assets and voting power of this demographic has/had much to do with the decision to "protect" them as much as possible even at the expense of younger generations. This was short-sighted and those younger generations won't make that same mistake when of voting age is my guess.

I hadn't really considered your last point that the older crowd votes.
Not sure I agree with the theory, but I like new perspective.
My counter would be that that demographic is more likely to be MAGA than not.

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This seems accurate. There are a number of pundits that now feel governors, Democrats especially, are delaying or extending reopening because now that we have real information regarding the disease, it is clear the shutdown was an incorrect reaction and they are trying to control the narrative. If governors can change the narrative and show that there is still a need, they many won't question the initial decision to shut down.

There has always been a disagreement regarding how much government intervention is required to protect the interests of "X%" of the population. SNAP, EITC, Section 8 and rent control, capital gains vs. income. All government is about balancing the interests of various groups. This is no different.

At the end of the day, Sweden was correct in that the risk to the country as a whole was not greater than the risk to older/compromised citizens. I'm not really sure why so many struggle with this here in the US. Half of school population of urban public schools in on SNAP because they don't have regular access to food. We don't shut down an entire economy (or in this case tax it into oblivion) because kids are starving. We did do this because older adults were dying. My personal feeling is the assets and voting power of this demographic has/had much to do with the decision to "protect" them as much as possible even at the expense of younger generations. This was short-sighted and those younger generations won't make that same mistake when of voting age is my guess.

Yet another conspiracy theorist who thinks he is smart.

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Well, since you asked: it started with schools closed so kids are home often getting sub-par education. Soccer is shut down so there is that. Parks were closed, but we decided to go anyway... having said that, why the hell are the parks closed? Because too many kids didn't listen and went to play soccer and basketball anyway? Typical totalitarian BS. Gunshops and ranges closed. That was unconstitutional, btw, and it took losing a Federal court case to get the socialist nazis in this state to open the gun shops. Ranges still supposed to be closed, another court date. Restaurants closed unless takeout and many can't make it work so they just closed. Many government services shut down or closed including drivers licenses. Illegal to drive without a license, living in a state and country with poor public transportation, but hey, lets make it impossible to those who want or need to drive to get one because of virus... I mean, that isn't essential, correct? Let's go further: a number of manufacturers have shut down because they weren't essential. Beaches closed. Boat ramps and marinas closed. Colleges closed. My doctor's office and dentist closed. Any sort of elective surgury shut down. Shall I go on? Don't forget gyms, salons, barbers, clothing/retail, etc. Seems like quite a bit shut down and those that opened against "orders" were harassed by local and state government goons.

We have plenty of money and our jobs continue, but I know plenty that are collecting unemployment or worse, trying to because they are "self-employed" and still can't. I know plenty still waiting for stimulus checks that haven't received it yet. Bottom line, plenty are suffering needlessly. Remember, the economy was shut down on purpose by State government. This was self-inflicted. As to those who continue to cry about the danger, you're sheep and always will be. You don't understand the difference between 2A rights and gun control because you think safety is more important than freedom and you think less guns is the equivilent of more safety. Your thought process is broken by years of indoctrination and it seems to have been applied to this virus as well. Can't open up if there is a chance someone could die. Same line of thinking.

YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND PERSONAL FREEDOM IS MORE IMPORNTANT THAN THE WELFARE OF ALL. That was the principal our country was founded on. That was why our founders sought to limit government power as well as the tyranny of the mob. It's why we have seperation of powers, three distinct branches of government, a Constitution and Bill of Rights, States Rights, and lastly, why we are a Representative Republic with an Electoral College instead of a true Democracy.

Until civics education (and education in general) improves dramatically in this country and people are allowed, nay forced to become independant of the state, fully a third of the voting population will never understand this.

Here's the rub. We think people like you with your ideology are the biggest threats to the real values and principles of the United States. There is no way the framers would envision what you think their set-up requires. An old, unshaven white guy fortified with weapons in a shed is not what they meant by freedom. And you have zero idea about what they would think if the nation was in the middle of one of its worst national crises in its history with numerous competing interests. I know this. You and your type are dangerous....puffed up for no reason, cocky without basis, authoritative while powerless, and self-interested beyond narcissism. I detest people like you. Makes my skin crawl.

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Dems are being accused of trying slow walk the virus response. Are there fewer Dems unemployed? Fewer Dems suffering? Maybe Obama created the virus in HIS lab as SNL spoofed.

Here's one for ya. There are a growing number of young adults volunteering for challenge studies for vaccines, putting themselves at some significant risk. Do you reckon most of them are Trump supporters or liberal who care about their country and the planet???

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Here's the rub. We think people like you with your ideology are the biggest threats to the real values and principles of the United States. There is no way the framers would envision what you think their set-up requires. An old, unshaven white guy fortified with weapons in a shed is not what they meant by freedom. And you have zero idea about what they would think if the nation was in the middle of one of its worst national crises in its history with numerous competing interests. I know this. You and your type are dangerous....puffed up for no reason, cocky without basis, authoritative while powerless, and self-interested beyond narcissism. I detest people like you. Makes my skin crawl.

Cool story revealing your own prejudices.

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I hadn't really considered your last point that the older crowd votes.
Not sure I agree with the theory, but I like new perspective.
My counter would be that that demographic is more likely to be MAGA than not.

They are more likely to be before, but they are not at all happy with Trump right now. His support among seniors is sliding downhill fast.

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Dems are being accused of trying slow walk the virus response. Are there fewer Dems unemployed? Fewer Dems suffering? Maybe Obama created the virus in HIS lab as SNL spoofed.

Here's one for ya. There are a growing number of young adults volunteering for challenge studies for vaccines, putting themselves at some significant risk. Do you reckon most of them are Trump supporters or liberal who care about their country and the planet???

Minorities are getting sick and dying at much higher rates than whites so that factoid isn't going to help the GOP or Trump in the fall

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They are more likely to be before, but they are not at all happy with Trump right now. His support among seniors is sliding downhill fast.

What data backs this claim up? His cnn approval rating poll hit an all time high yesterday.

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What data backs this claim up? His cnn approval rating poll hit an all time high yesterday.

2020 national @CNN
poll:
Biden 57%
Trump 42%

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2020 national @CNN
poll:
Biden 57%
Trump 42%

For age 65+ respondents