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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    What if kid #15 from Newton is African-American and the kid from Revere is Caucasian?
    Fortunately, the school can admit both, and pass on the many, many, affluent white kids, even if they're legacies.

    If one has an issue with using race and economics as factors admissions criteria, then you also have to be blind to institutional racism and the disadvantages of being poor, at least with respect to getting a quality education and figuring how to get into college.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Fortunately, the school can admit both, and pass on the many, many, affluent white kids, even if they're legacies.

      If one has an issue with using race and economics as factors admissions criteria, then you also have to be blind to institutional racism and the disadvantages of being poor, at least with respect to getting a quality education and figuring how to get into college.
      No one says you can't get into college.

      Highly selective colleges should be highly selective, based on data and accomplishments.

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        Another question is how many international students are there.

        MIT has over 40% international students in its graduate program, and CMU has over 75%. Most are Asian and the primary country is China. I’m all for having international kids in the mix, but that seems like a lot.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Another question is how many international students are there.

          MIT has over 40% international students in its graduate program, and CMU has over 75%. Most are Asian and the primary country is China. I’m all for having international kids in the mix, but that seems like a lot.
          You can't have it both ways. If the criteria is to only take students based on metrics then US students better start hitting the books. That's what the Harvard lawsuit is about. Asian students think they were treated unfairly as the school tried to balance its student body.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            You can't have it both ways. If the criteria is to only take students based on metrics then US students better start hitting the books. That's what the Harvard lawsuit is about. Asian students think they were treated unfairly as the school tried to balance its student body.
            U.S. universities should have a cap on the number of international students they can admit.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              U.S. universities should have a cap on the number of international students they can admit.
              Agreed. We'll let the global person continue to rant. We need to produce STEM graduates to feed our economy. We have a shortage of such folks. There are many benefits to including international students but let's not overdo it. We fund and subsidize these Private non profits in many ways.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                You can't have it both ways. If the criteria is to only take students based on metrics then US students better start hitting the books. That's what the Harvard lawsuit is about. Asian students think they were treated unfairly as the school tried to balance its student body.
                Wrong, the lawsuit is from Asian Americans, aka Americans. Not international students.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Wrong, the lawsuit is from Asian Americans, aka Americans. Not international students.
                  Kind of a similar principle - one set of students being discriminated against for being too smart. If a school selects solely on data, their student body may not be what they prefer it to be.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    If a school selects solely on data, their student body may not be what they prefer it to be.
                    So bigotry in academia is okay?

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Kind of a similar principle - one set of students being discriminated against for being too smart. If a school selects solely on data, their student body may not be what they prefer it to be.
                      How we treat our own citizens and what we do with international students are completely different considerations. You must be an open borders person.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        So bigotry in academia is okay?
                        That is the dilemma schools face isn't it? If schools don't take other factors into consideration, solely data, then Harvard gets more Asian and many other schools get much more white. I'm not condoning anything but showing there are no easy answers

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          So bigotry in academia is okay?
                          Affirmative action has been a mainstay policy in the US for nearly 50 years. Obama sent proposals to US Colleges continuing to push AA. The last 5 years have seen some push back, which seems to make sense in most rulings. How our National Universities consider international students should be a matter of public policy. They should operate within a reasonable range.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            How we treat our own citizens and what we do with international students are completely different considerations. You must be an open borders person.
                            Schools can decide how many international students they want. Schools that want the best and brightest do have a heavier international student body as well as teaching staff. We live and compete in a global economy and grads need to be exposed to that reality. If our own students can't compete for spots then we should be addressing the shortfalls in the US education system (which are many). Foreign students still have to apply for student visas. Trump might try to limit that but the nation's universities will go ballistic. As it is international applications are down 6,% since Trump became president. More spots for our dumb kids!

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Affirmative action has been a mainstay policy in the US for nearly 50 years. Obama sent proposals to US Colleges continuing to push AA. The last 5 years have seen some push back, which seems to make sense in most rulings. How our National Universities consider international students should be a matter of public policy. They should operate within a reasonable range.
                              Many universities are private institutions and don't take kindly being told what to do. Student visas are handled at the federal level. Should the government decide to allow in fewer foreign students it would be a negative in the long run. International students also tend to pay full boat (another reason schools like them) and don't qualify for any federal loans or grants.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Many universities are private institutions and don't take kindly being told what to do. Student visas are handled at the federal level. Should the government decide to allow in fewer foreign students it would be a negative in the long run. International students also tend to pay full boat (another reason schools like them) and don't qualify for any federal loans or grants.
                                Harvard collects circa $600MM in federal grants and pays zero RE taxes as a non profit. That is our tax $$. They want to act like a multinational private company we can attend to that.

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