The Girls 2007 Thread

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ECNL - 7
GA - 2
Everyone else - 2

yeah, league makes no difference

First off, recruiting just started so I’d tap the breaks a bit on the obnoxious comments.

Second, no one plays ENCL without wanting to play in college so I sure as heck hope they’re successful. What % of “everyone else” is trying to play in college and what % of THOSE meet their goals? That’s the only question.

I should know by now how ECNL parents just cannot understand this but not everyone who plays club soccer cares to play in college. And not everyone cares to play D1. Some kids have completely different goals for themselves that have NOTHING (gasp!) to do with soccer. They can still love the game and give it all their time but still be ready to move on to new things after HS ends. It doesn’t mean they were unsuccessful. They just chose differently.

How about this? Ask your DAUGHTER (not yourself) what her goals are for soccer and then see if she’s in the league and club that’s best suited to help her. That’s the only measure of success that matters. Not these STUPID lists and jabs and comparisons.

But most of all, the first sentence. Shut up with the obnoxious ECNL comments. It’s EXACTLY why your kids walk around with giant targets on their backs.

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ECNL - 7
GA - 2
Everyone else - 2

yeah, league makes no difference

“Stop it! You’re going to trigger the ECNL disciples!”

Too late!

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ECNL - 7
GA - 2
Everyone else - 2

Rolling ECRL into ECNL really highlights the need to adjust the numbers to reflect the size of the ECNL Club Soccer Industrial Complex. That is, commits per team:

ECNL - 7 commits / 5 teams = 1.4
GA 2/2 = 1.0
Aztec 2/1 = 2.0

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Rolling ECRL into ECNL really highlights the need to adjust the numbers to reflect the size of the ECNL Club Soccer Industrial Complex. That is, commits per team:

ECNL - 7 commits / 5 teams = 1.4
GA 2/2 = 1.0
Aztec 2/1 = 2.0

Where is the rolling eye emoji?

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Rolling ECRL into ECNL really highlights the need to adjust the numbers to reflect the size of the ECNL Club Soccer Industrial Complex. That is, commits per team:

ECNL - 7 commits / 5 teams = 1.4
GA 2/2 = 1.0
Aztec 2/1 = 2.0

Where do you get the 7?

Stars Blue has 3 ECRL teams. Scorpions has 2 and Stars White has 1.

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Where do you get the 7?

Stars Blue has 3 ECRL teams. Scorpions has 2 and Stars White has 1.

It says 5 teams. But it should be 6. So ECNL = 1.2 early commits per team.

Stars Blue and White x2 = 4
Scorps x2

Wasn’t counting Skyblue yet.

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Where is the rolling eye emoji?

Where is the lie?

It should go without saying you can’t compare 4+ teams to other clubs with 1 team of girls. Especially regional league clubs where players choose them because they are mostly not interested in ending up at colleges that are not selective.

And a realistic view would be worse. Stars puts 5-6 teams worth of girls onto the conveyor belt at U14-5, 120-130 girls that they have sold on playing in college (and maybe there’s some money there, or admission to a high academic!).

Through HS, girls drop out, they change or they figure out the con. Others get added - almost all girls that are committed to playing in college somewhere, anywhere. At the end, 50-60 move on to college. A fraction of those are the schools players pictured when they got on the conveyor.

Measuring commits against the 90 girls still there at the end actually significantly overstates the results. But it’s a start.

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Where is the lie?

It should go without saying you can’t compare 4+ teams to other clubs with 1 team of girls. Especially regional league clubs where players choose them because they are mostly not interested in ending up at colleges that are not selective.

And a realistic view would be worse. Stars puts 5-6 teams worth of girls onto the conveyor belt at U14-5, 120-130 girls that they have sold on playing in college (and maybe there’s some money there, or admission to a high academic!).

Through HS, girls drop out, they change or they figure out the con. Others get added - almost all girls that are committed to playing in college somewhere, anywhere. At the end, 50-60 move on to college. A fraction of those are the schools players pictured when they got on the conveyor.

Measuring commits against the 90 girls still there at the end actually significantly overstates the results. But it’s a start.

Doesn’t NEFC have 3 DPL teams per age group below GA? So did you divide their 2 commits by 4?

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It says 5 teams. But it should be 6. So ECNL = 1.2 early commits per team.

Stars Blue and White x2 = 4
Scorps x2

Wasn’t counting Skyblue yet.

why is anyone rolling ECRL into ECNL? nobody in their right mind believes them to be equivalent.

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Doesn’t NEFC have 3 DPL teams per age group below GA? So did you divide their 2 commits by 4?

No.

Nobody anywhere is saying that DPL is GA. Of course not, they aren't affiliated. But there are people everywhere saying ECRL is ECNL. Posts here (see above and a hundred other places), parents at the fields, athlete profiles.

And DPL players are not being sold "the pathway," the mirage that if they make epic commutes to practice and long travel to games it will lead to playing in college. ECRL absolutely sells that. So no complaints when we look at the receipts.

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No.

Nobody anywhere is saying that DPL is GA. Of course not, they aren't affiliated. But there are people everywhere saying ECRL is ECNL. Posts here (see above and a hundred other places), parents at the fields, athlete profiles.

And DPL players are not being sold "the pathway," the mirage that if they make epic commutes to practice and long travel to games it will lead to playing in college. ECRL absolutely sells that. So no complaints when we look at the receipts.

DPL players aren’t being “sold the pathway”? Why did NEFC create “select” DPL teams and send them to the GA showcase?

If you think that clubs are “selling” the idea that ECRL players should target schools like Duke and UNC, you’re out of your mind.

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No.

Nobody anywhere is saying that DPL is GA. Of course not, they aren't affiliated. But there are people everywhere saying ECRL is ECNL. Posts here (see above and a hundred other places), parents at the fields, athlete profiles.

And DPL players are not being sold "the pathway," the mirage that if they make epic commutes to practice and long travel to games it will lead to playing in college. ECRL absolutely sells that. So no complaints when we look at the receipts.

ECNL parent here so maybe viewpoint is skewed. Not a single parent that I know on ECRL holds any illusion that they are ECNL or on a ‘pathway’. My opinion here: they simply have money to burn, want to play in a better league than what is offered locally, and want their kid to feel somewhat special (relative to local) and get the travel experience. Maybe the younger age parents still believe they are on a pathway, but by high school they know better.

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ECNL parent here so maybe viewpoint is skewed. Not a single parent that I know on ECRL holds any illusion that they are ECNL or on a ‘pathway’. My opinion here: they simply have money to burn, want to play in a better league than what is offered locally, and want their kid to feel somewhat special (relative to local) and get the travel experience. Maybe the younger age parents still believe they are on a pathway, but by high school they know better.

You aren’t an ECNL Stars parent nice try. ECNL and ECRL parents are friendly to each other. They would not say the crap above. We see ECRL players that practice with our team regularly. They are on a path to ECNL. We know of ECRL players good enough to play ECNL but chose not to based on priorities. We also see ECRL players going off to colleges and playing soccer for them. You’re negative fake generalization above is obvious you come from a lower club with an axe to grind.

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ECNL parent here so maybe viewpoint is skewed. Not a single parent that I know on ECRL holds any illusion that they are ECNL or on a ‘pathway’. My opinion here: they simply have money to burn, want to play in a better league than what is offered locally, and want their kid to feel somewhat special (relative to local) and get the travel experience. Maybe the younger age parents still believe they are on a pathway, but by high school they know better.

This may all be true as you say it is your experience. But for example -

- I’ve seen multiple athlete social media profiles in the past week or so that said ECNL, no mention of RL, but they are RL players. Maybe they are told to do that.

- Sone RL parents have said to me their D is on an ECNL team.

- And of course all the posts here.

I don’t have time now, but I’d be surprised if a quick look at the websites and the social media of the clubs didn’t turn up messages to the effect of “ECRL and ECNL girls march forward together on the pathway.”

Not to say RL isn’t the best option for some players, if they understand what they are really getting and that matches their goals and abilities. I know quite a few girls for whom that has been the case. But they were strong players on the better RL teams.

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This may all be true as you say it is your experience. But for example -

- I’ve seen multiple athlete social media profiles in the past week or so that said ECNL, no mention of RL, but they are RL players. Maybe they are told to do that.

- Sone RL parents have said to me their D is on an ECNL team.

- And of course all the posts here.

I don’t have time now, but I’d be surprised if a quick look at the websites and the social media of the clubs didn’t turn up messages to the effect of “ECRL and ECNL girls march forward together on the pathway.”

Not to say RL isn’t the best option for some players, if they understand what they are really getting and that matches their goals and abilities. I know quite a few girls for whom that has been the case. But they were strong players on the better RL teams.

Just because a parent tells you that their kid is ECNL doesn’t mean that they believe they are the same or on a pathway. Just means the parent is vain and wants you to think their kid is better than they are. This is not exclusive to soccer or sports.