Monitoring The MPS Impact

Since this thread is suppose to be about MPS, here is at least one other interesting fact about their situation this weekend. In GU14 they played in the bracket with the Stars, the Fuller Hamlets and Nor'easter and finished last with a record of 0-2-1. The Stars and Fuller Hamlets advanced to semi finals. The FH had a GD of -6, Nor'easter a GD of -10 and MPS a GD of -7. Of these 3 teams MPS had the fewest goals scored against them by the Stars, 5. The FH had 9 goals against them and Nor'easter 11 (although Nor'easter was the only one to score against them).

I figured this would come up sooner or later-

I think the number of the goals scored by Stars in each of these games was more dependent on whether the game mattered or not, what the weather was, whether there was a long time rivalry, and whether the other team surprised them by scoring first. The result of the MPS game (which was the third game) did not impact Stars' first place standing, so Stars could be completely relaxed. After the win was assured, the team concentrated on setting up players who hadn't had as many opportunities to score in the earlier games. (That had happened at the end of the two prior games as well I think). That's one spectator's opinion - I could be wrong.

Suzy, you mean to tell us that the Stars felt the need to score 11 goals in one game and 9 in the second and didn't use the bench until the end of those games? I don't understand the reasoning you gave. One might think a team would substitute more frequently with the conditions on Saturday. And was the rivalry with Nor'easter and the fuller Hamlets that strong that the Stars wanted to humiliate them? And what about the humiliation of players on the bench that didn't get to play much in these blowouts? Is coming in first in the bracket that important to the coach? Liike coming in first was ever in doubt anyway.

So I guess its safe to say, MPS is really just like most every other clubs in MAPLE.

And not aliens like it sounds like at times in this forum.

:P

Since this thread is suppose to be about MPS, here is at least one other interesting fact about their situation this weekend. In GU14 they played in the bracket with the Stars, the Fuller Hamlets and Nor'easter and finished last with a record of 0-2-1. The Stars and Fuller Hamlets advanced to semi finals. The FH had a GD of -6, Nor'easter a GD of -10 and MPS a GD of -7. Of these 3 teams MPS had the fewest goals scored against them by the Stars, 5. The FH had 9 goals against them and Nor'easter 11 (although Nor'easter was the only one to score against them).

I figured this would come up sooner or later-

I think the number of the goals scored by Stars in each of these games was more dependent on whether the game mattered or not, what the weather was, whether there was a long time rivalry, and whether the other team surprised them by scoring first. The result of the MPS game (which was the third game) did not impact Stars' first place standing, so Stars could be completely relaxed. After the win was assured, the team concentrated on setting up players who hadn't had as many opportunities to score in the earlier games. (That had happened at the end of the two prior games as well I think).
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Suzy, you mean to tell us that the Stars felt the need to score 11 goals in one game and 9 in the second and didn't use the bench until the end of those games? I don't understand the reasoning you gave. One might think a team would substitute more frequently with the conditions on Saturday. And was the rivalry with Nor'easter and the fuller Hamlets that strong that the Stars wanted to humiliate them? And what about the humiliation of players on the bench that didn't get to play much in these blowouts? Is coming in first in the bracket that important to the coach? Liike coming in first was ever in doubt anyway.

I think she qualified her opinion by saying "That's one spectator's opinion - I could be wrong."

[Susy Soccer]

Suzy, you mean to tell us that the Stars felt the need to score 11 goals in one game and 9 in the second and didn't use the bench until the end of those games?

No that's not what I meant to say and not what I wrote. Please read what I wrote and don't decide what it must mean based on your own experiences with teams that don't use their bench. The "bench" - which as far as I can tell changes from game to game on this team - was used every half of every game.

I wrote exactly what I meant. I'll try to say it another way - the girls (especially those that score a lot) were trying to set up other girls who don't get the opportunity so often.

Since this thread is suppose to be about MPS, here is at least one other interesting fact about their situation this weekend. In GU14 they played in the bracket with the Stars, the Fuller Hamlets and Nor'easter and finished last with a record of 0-2-1. The Stars and Fuller Hamlets advanced to semi finals. The FH had a GD of -6, Nor'easter a GD of -10 and MPS a GD of -7. Of these 3 teams MPS had the fewest goals scored against them by the Stars, 5. The FH had 9 goals against them and Nor'easter 11 (although Nor'easter was the only one to score against them).

I figured this would come up sooner or later-

I think the number of the goals scored by Stars in each of these games was more dependent on whether the game mattered or not, what the weather was, whether there was a long time rivalry, and whether the other team surprised them by scoring first. The result of the MPS game (which was the third game) did not impact Stars' first place standing, so Stars could be completely relaxed. After the win was assured, the team concentrated on setting up players who hadn't had as many opportunities to score in the earlier games. (That had happened at the end of the two prior games as well I think). That's one spectator's opinion - I could be wrong.

Suzy, you mean to tell us that the Stars felt the need to score 11 goals in one game and 9 in the second and didn't use the bench until the end of those games? I don't understand the reasoning you gave. One might think a team would substitute more frequently with the conditions on Saturday. And was the rivalry with Nor'easter and the fuller Hamlets that strong that the Stars wanted to humiliate them? And what about the humiliation of players on the bench that didn't get to play much in these blowouts? Is coming in first in the bracket that important to the coach? Liike coming in first was ever in doubt anyway.

I would never tell my team to stop scoring. You must always be in attack mode. However, once the game is securely in hand, I would put bench players in and get my starters out. Why run the risk of injury at that point. I find it to be more humiliating and disrespectful to the other team when you are basically telling your team to play “keep awayâ€￾. These aren’t “friendliesâ€￾, its State Cup and an opportunity for these kids to demonstrate their abilities.

[Guest]

My daughter (u15)wants to try out for MPS but I'm not sure which team to have her try out for, Renegades or Crusaders. Travel time is just about the same for us. I see that the Renegades made it to the state cup round robin and the Crusaders won the Needham tourny. Has anyone seen these 2 teams play and if so which do you think is the stronger team or has the better coach. Thanks for any opinions.

Any opinions you get from parents on these teams will be biased. They're playing each other on Saturday. Go to the game and decide for yourself.

Since this thread is suppose to be about MPS, here is at least one other interesting fact about their situation this weekend. In GU14 they played in the bracket with the Stars, the Fuller Hamlets and Nor'easter and finished last with a record of 0-2-1. The Stars and Fuller Hamlets advanced to semi finals. The FH had a GD of -6, Nor'easter a GD of -10 and MPS a GD of -7. Of these 3 teams MPS had the fewest goals scored against them by the Stars, 5. The FH had 9 goals against them and Nor'easter 11 (although Nor'easter was the only one to score against them).

I figured this would come up sooner or later-

I think the number of the goals scored by Stars in each of these games was more dependent on whether the game mattered or not, what the weather was, whether there was a long time rivalry, and whether the other team surprised them by scoring first. The result of the MPS game (which was the third game) did not impact Stars' first place standing, so Stars could be completely relaxed. After the win was assured, the team concentrated on setting up players who hadn't had as many opportunities to score in the earlier games. (That had happened at the end of the two prior games as well I think). That's one spectator's opinion - I could be wrong.

Suzy, you mean to tell us that the Stars felt the need to score 11 goals in one game and 9 in the second and didn't use the bench until the end of those games? I don't understand the reasoning you gave. One might think a team would substitute more frequently with the conditions on Saturday. And was the rivalry with Nor'easter and the fuller Hamlets that strong that the Stars wanted to humiliate them? And what about the humiliation of players on the bench that didn't get to play much in these blowouts? Is coming in first in the bracket that important to the coach? Liike coming in first was ever in doubt anyway.

I would never tell my team to stop scoring. You must always be in attack mode. However, once the game is securely in hand, I would put bench players in and get my starters out. Why run the risk of injury at that point. I find it to be more humiliating and disrespectful to the other team when you are basically telling your team to play “keep awayâ€￾. These aren’t “friendliesâ€￾, its State Cup and an opportunity for these kids to demonstrate their abilities.

How about instead of running the risk of injury you put your bench in to help develop those players? By the way by putting your bench in your risking those players to injuries, but beside not caring about their development you apparently don't care about their health either :D

Since this thread is suppose to be about MPS, here is at least one other interesting fact about their situation this weekend. In GU14 they played in the bracket with the Stars, the Fuller Hamlets and Nor'easter and finished last with a record of 0-2-1. The Stars and Fuller Hamlets advanced to semi finals. The FH had a GD of -6, Nor'easter a GD of -10 and MPS a GD of -7. Of these 3 teams MPS had the fewest goals scored against them by the Stars, 5. The FH had 9 goals against them and Nor'easter 11 (although Nor'easter was the only one to score against them).

I figured this would come up sooner or later-

I think the number of the goals scored by Stars in each of these games was more dependent on whether the game mattered or not, what the weather was, whether there was a long time rivalry, and whether the other team surprised them by scoring first. The result of the MPS game (which was the third game) did not impact Stars' first place standing, so Stars could be completely relaxed. After the win was assured, the team concentrated on setting up players who hadn't had as many opportunities to score in the earlier games. (That had happened at the end of the two prior games as well I think). That's one spectator's opinion - I could be wrong.

Suzy, you mean to tell us that the Stars felt the need to score 11 goals in one game and 9 in the second and didn't use the bench until the end of those games? I don't understand the reasoning you gave. One might think a team would substitute more frequently with the conditions on Saturday. And was the rivalry with Nor'easter and the fuller Hamlets that strong that the Stars wanted to humiliate them? And what about the humiliation of players on the bench that didn't get to play much in these blowouts? Is coming in first in the bracket that important to the coach? Liike coming in first was ever in doubt anyway.

I would never tell my team to stop scoring. You must always be in attack mode. However, once the game is securely in hand, I would put bench players in and get my starters out. Why run the risk of injury at that point. I find it to be more humiliating and disrespectful to the other team when you are basically telling your team to play “keep awayâ€￾. These aren’t “friendliesâ€￾, its State Cup and an opportunity for these kids to demonstrate their abilities.

How about instead of running the risk of injury you put your bench in to help develop those players? By the way by putting your bench in your risking those players to injuries, but beside not caring about their development you apparently don't care about their health either :D

Poor choice of words on my part. Every player is at risk. Thank you for exposing my error.

Any opinions you get from parents on these teams will be biased. They're playing each other on Saturday. Go to the game and decide for yourself.

On ANY team I'm sure you meant to say.

One thing you cant get from 'watching' a team play is the club experience.

[FSM]

The "bench" - which as far as I can tell changes from game to game on this team - was used every half of every game.

This has been my experience with the teams my daughter has played, passed and present. IMO it defintely contributes to the success of the teams and the success of the individual players.

[sccrdad]

Since this thread is suppose to be about MPS, here is at least one other interesting fact about their situation this weekend. In GU14 they played in the bracket with the Stars, the Fuller Hamlets and Nor'easter and finished last with a record of 0-2-1. The Stars and Fuller Hamlets advanced to semi finals. The FH had a GD of -6, Nor'easter a GD of -10 and MPS a GD of -7. Of these 3 teams MPS had the fewest goals scored against them by the Stars, 5. The FH had 9 goals against them and Nor'easter 11 (although Nor'easter was the only one to score against them).

I figured this would come up sooner or later-

I think the number of the goals scored by Stars in each of these games was more dependent on whether the game mattered or not, what the weather was, whether there was a long time rivalry, and whether the other team surprised them by scoring first. The result of the MPS game (which was the third game) did not impact Stars' first place standing, so Stars could be completely relaxed. After the win was assured, the team concentrated on setting up players who hadn't had as many opportunities to score in the earlier games. (That had happened at the end of the two prior games as well I think). That's one spectator's opinion - I could be wrong.

Suzy, you mean to tell us that the Stars felt the need to score 11 goals in one game and 9 in the second and didn't use the bench until the end of those games? I don't understand the reasoning you gave. One might think a team would substitute more frequently with the conditions on Saturday. And was the rivalry with Nor'easter and the fuller Hamlets that strong that the Stars wanted to humiliate them? And what about the humiliation of players on the bench that didn't get to play much in these blowouts? Is coming in first in the bracket that important to the coach? Liike coming in first was ever in doubt anyway.

I would never tell my team to stop scoring. You must always be in attack mode. However, once the game is securely in hand, I would put bench players in and get my starters out. Why run the risk of injury at that point. I find it to be more humiliating and disrespectful to the other team when you are basically telling your team to play “keep awayâ€￾. These aren’t “friendliesâ€￾, its State Cup and an opportunity for these kids to demonstrate their abilities.

BLT you are so correct. This squad is trained to play a certain way, at a certain level. They only know how to play all out. This is not about being sensitive , it is soccer. I am tired of the "Oprahfication" of youth sports.

Most high level teams have impact players. If Tom Brady got hurt late in
an AFC playoff game with a huge lead, most fans would be upset. This doesnt mean they would hope the backup got hurt.

[MASC]

Do the blowouts not represent a huge disparity in the levels of play?

These are supposed to be the top 8 teams. 11-0 should never occur between such teams. A 4-0 would normally be considered a blowout.

There is a major problem. The system is not fostering enough development to create representative competition. Something is broken and needs to be fixed.

Is there that huge a difference between the top two teams and everyone else? Did teams just give-up? When did the games get totally out of hand? What were the scores at the half.

Do the blowouts not represent a huge disparity in the levels of play?

These are supposed to be the top 8 teams. 11-0 should never occur between such teams. A 4-0 would normally be considered a blowout.

There is a major problem. The system is not fostering enough development to create representative competition. Something is broken and needs to be fixed.

Is there that huge a difference between the top two teams and everyone else? Did teams just give-up? When did the games get totally out of hand? What were the scores at the half.

Clearly a huge disparity exists and it's not limited to play within Mass. The Stars U14 team also dominated play in the R1 league and ended the season with a huge GD advantage. For example, they beat FC Sting (currently rated in the top 10 in Region 1) by a score of 9-1. Moving forward it looks like they will have to travel a long distance or play up in order to get adequate competition.

BTW, isn't it a goal of MAPLE to concentrate the soccer talent at the older ages into a few top teams? If so, the success of the Stars suggests that the system is working.

Do the blowouts not represent a huge disparity in the levels of play?

These are supposed to be the top 8 teams. 11-0 should never occur between such teams. A 4-0 would normally be considered a blowout.

There is a major problem. The system is not fostering enough development to create representative competition. Something is broken and needs to be fixed.

Is there that huge a difference between the top two teams and everyone else? Did teams just give-up? When did the games get totally out of hand? What were the scores at the half.

The Stars and Scorpions are the exceptions in this group. Would be a huge upset for anyone else to knock one of them out at the semis. Didn't see the games so someone else will have to weigh in on. The heat could have been a factor. Maybe they are better conditioned to withstand the elements. Good questions though.