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    #91
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Typical town team over-sell. I'll grant that there are some terrific coaches sprinkled around various town programs, but they are by far the minority. The biggest issue with most town programs from U10 on is the competition. A really strong town program might have 3-4 kids in an age group with legitimate talent. Who do they practice against and play against that will force them to grow? For the best players, playing town instead of club is a big mistake past age 10. Playing both for a year or two is fine, but top talent needs to train and play against top talent.

    The "heavy lifting" part is particularly funny. My kids played both town and club up to U12. The heavy lifting was done by the club and in the backyard and basement, and the town team benefited by having very skilled players to lean on. The non-club players on the town team would touch a ball 2-3x per week in the fall or spring, for a total of 2 hours, if that. The parents raved about how "dominant" the town team was and how well they'd been developed, but the coaching and development was all done elsewhere. All the town did was provide some extra playing time, a uniform, and a couple of pizza & cupcake parties.

    Clubs poach good athletes and give them training and guidance to make them into soccer players. Most often, the big clubs poach good players from smaller clubs, when the kids need better competition or exposure. Very rarely are the clubs getting a highly skilled player from a town program who can immediately make an impact. It happens, but it's not the norm.
    Agree. A player will come along sometimes from a town team who is able to play at a big club, but the problem is that such a player isn't used to playing with anyone good. They're used to being the whole show, and it takes a while for them to learn to play with kids who can play. Which is why talent needs to play with talent, as you said in your first paragraph.

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      #92
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Agree. A player will come along sometimes from a town team who is able to play at a big club, but the problem is that such a player isn't used to playing with anyone good. They're used to being the whole show, and it takes a while for them to learn to play with kids who can play. Which is why talent needs to play with talent, as you said in your first paragraph.
      you guys sound so desparate - most people are finally coming around that the big clubs are providing very little - thats why so many smaller travel type teams coming in to NEP, Maple etc like Weymouth and Newton and brockton blazers doing well- i know its your job so you got to keep trying to sell it but big clubs around here are hurting compared to 5 years ago and parents are gettign smarter.

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        #93
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        you guys sound so desparate - most people are finally coming around that the big clubs are providing very little - thats why so many smaller travel type teams coming in to NEP, Maple etc like Weymouth and Newton and brockton blazers doing well- i know its your job so you got to keep trying to sell it but big clubs around here are hurting compared to 5 years ago and parents are gettign smarter.
        Clubs like the Scorpions have very little to offer boys. The girls are a different story. The whole "playing with the best" theory is now a function of Pre-Academy and Academy teams. DAP has reduced clubs like the Scorpions to glorified town programs.

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          #94
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          i agree at 14s
          Just an observation as my son plays for Scorpions u13 boys and we beat the Weymouth u14 team easily in a friendly. Our team is just a middle of the pack top division NEP team.

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            #95
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Clubs like the Scorpions have very little to offer boys. The girls are a different story. The whole "playing with the best" theory is now a function of Pre-Academy and Academy teams. DAP has reduced clubs like the Scorpions to glorified town programs.
            Except that clubs like Scorpions (top teams) and some Galway teams beat the town teams in their areas with ease when they play. The top players are the ones we are talking about. 2nd and 3rd level players should be challenged in town club. I just do not understand how the 12th best player on a town level club team can provide enough challenge or not bring down the level of training for the top 2-3 kids in a town like Weymouth.

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              #96
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Just an observation as my son plays for Scorpions u13 boys and we beat the Weymouth u14 team easily in a friendly. Our team is just a middle of the pack top division NEP team.
              That makes sense. Did your Scorpion team share any players with the Weymouth team? If yes, which team did these players play for and at what positions?

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                #97
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Except that clubs like Scorpions (top teams) and some Galway teams beat the town teams in their areas with ease when they play. The top players are the ones we are talking about. 2nd and 3rd level players should be challenged in town club. I just do not understand how the 12th best player on a town level club team can provide enough challenge or not bring down the level of training for the top 2-3 kids in a town like Weymouth.
                This only applies to certain ages but I agree with the theory. A town like Weymouth can produce young teams that can beat the top club teams. As the teams get older and the rosters grow the balance shifts back to the clubs. Weymouth has a decent town program. Weymouth has a large population. Those two factors alone will serve up quality teams. Can Weymouth develop superstars? Highly unlikely, but neither Galway or the Scorpions can point to a true star player on the boys side either. If your kid is the top player at his age he should go to a quality club. I just don't think Galway or the Scorpions are that great an upgrade from Weymouth.

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                  #98
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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  This only applies to certain ages but I agree with the theory. A town like Weymouth can produce young teams that can beat the top club teams. As the teams get older and the rosters grow the balance shifts back to the clubs. Weymouth has a decent town program. Weymouth has a large population. Those two factors alone will serve up quality teams. Can Weymouth develop superstars? Highly unlikely, but neither Galway or the Scorpions can point to a true star player on the boys side either. If your kid is the top player at his age he should go to a quality club. I just don't think Galway or the Scorpions are that great an upgrade from Weymouth.
                  If there is one thing I've learned in the past years, its that the Coach and that specific teams talent level mean a lot more than the Clubs/name/reputation.

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                    #99
                    Overall Weymouth would be stronger than Scorpions at U14 and way ahead at 13 - between the 2 very strong team this year

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Overall Weymouth would be stronger than Scorpions at U14 and way ahead at 13 - between the 2 very strong team this year
                      Scorpions' Boys 14s
                      National rank 10
                      Regional rank 8
                      State rank 1

                      Maybe there are some kids from Weymouth on this team and maybe not but please stop spouting crap.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Scorpions' Boys 14s
                        National rank 10
                        Regional rank 8
                        State rank 1

                        Maybe there are some kids from Weymouth on this team and maybe not but please stop spouting crap.
                        There are no Weymouth kids on that team. I suspect the poster was comparing Weymouth to the U14 Elite team (which is not the old Blazers team) - however, Weymouth would lose convincingly to both teams. Scorpions love to setup friendlies, why not give it a try.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Scorpions' Boys 14s
                          National rank 10
                          Regional rank 8
                          State rank 1

                          Maybe there are some kids from Weymouth on this team and maybe not but please stop spouting crap.
                          Nobody is beating that Blazers team. Weymouth couldn't beat them if the Blazers played 2 men down. Calling this team a Scorpion team is pretty funny BTW.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            There are no Weymouth kids on that team. I suspect the poster was comparing Weymouth to the U14 Elite team (which is not the old Blazers team) - however, Weymouth would lose convincingly to both teams. Scorpions love to setup friendlies, why not give it a try.
                            This post is pretty comical. Here are the town teams you will never see the Scorpions step up and play:

                            1. Braintree
                            2. Brockton
                            3. Easton
                            4. Newton
                            5. Weymouth

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              This post is pretty comical. Here are the town teams you will never see the Scorpions step up and play:

                              1. Braintree
                              2. Brockton
                              3. Easton
                              4. Newton
                              5. Weymouth
                              I suspect you are saying that any of these town teams would be able to play with the Scorpions U-14? I want to believe you are being misunderstood. The alternative is that you really are not speaking from an informed position.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                This post is pretty comical. Here are the town teams you will never see the Scorpions step up and play:

                                1. Braintree
                                2. Brockton
                                3. Easton
                                4. Newton
                                5. Weymouth
                                I didn't know that this was like boxing, where it is incumbent upon the "champ" to take on all upstart challengers or being accused of "running."

                                If they don't play in the same league or tournament brackets, why do you blame that on Scorpions? Could it be that the town teams can't get into the leagues/brackets that Scorpions plays in, and if so, how is that Scorpions' fault?

                                You somehow have decided that a youth soccer club is not manly enough for your taste. I didn't know that bravery was important to building a successful soccer organization.

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