2014 Boys Soccer Verbal Commitments

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Was the kid 13? 14? [And leave out the snarky he's 5 years older rants.] There's something called the juvenile justice system...which operates and should operate differently than the adult system, notwithstanding the Eddie O'Brien case and changes in the juvenile laws for capital offenses. Based on your criteria above, should accepted candidates turn down Duke because of the infamous lacrosse team? How about UVA with a privileged white prep school kid who committed murder? No, let's single out this kid who might be taking a rich, white ISL kid's slot at Harvard.

The duke and Virginia examples are different because they did not involve admissions decisions. None of those students, as far as we know, were accepted with violent acts in their application file. It's funny to bring in duke as an example, because duke apparently has made the same offer as Harvard. Maybe it's a good thing that such schools are seeking these applicants, and maybe they should do more of it.

It's a public challenge for the schools in that schools like these (BC is another in this case) seem to send the message that they seek exemplary citizens as well as accomplished students, artists, athletes, etc. So, aside from the applicant at hand, how does admissions decide that the citizenship part is overridden by artistic or athletic promise, or that the applicant's juvenile behavior has been overcome or helped the applicant grow into a better person? Some might think that they would be so risk-averse that acceptance would be impossible for criminal applicants, even for non-violent offenders.

By the way, it's been generally established that colleges do lose applicants when in the midst of negative publicity, so duke probably did lose prospective students when the lacrosse disaster was at its worst. Colleges seem to overcome these episodes a year or two later.

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The duke and Virginia examples are different because they did not involve admissions decisions. None of those students, as far as we know, were accepted with violent acts in their application file. It's funny to bring in duke as an example, because duke apparently has made the same offer as Harvard. Maybe it's a good thing that such schools are seeking these applicants, and maybe they should do more of it.

It's a public challenge for the schools in that schools like these (BC is another in this case) seem to send the message that they seek exemplary citizens as well as accomplished students, artists, athletes, etc. So, aside from the applicant at hand, how does admissions decide that the citizenship part is overridden by artistic or athletic promise, or that the applicant's juvenile behavior has been overcome or helped the applicant grow into a better person? Some might think that they would be so risk-averse that acceptance would be impossible for criminal applicants, even for non-violent offenders.

By the way, it's been generally established that colleges do lose applicants when in the midst of negative publicity, so duke probably did lose prospective students when the lacrosse disaster was at its worst. Colleges seem to overcome these episodes a year or two later.

How can I find this list of players that college coaches are recruiting or thinking of recruiting?

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How can I find this list of players that college coaches are recruiting or thinking of recruiting?

Some schools make official announcements:

http://www.brownbears.com/sports/m-s...20140303to304t

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Some schools make official announcements:

http://www.brownbears.com/sports/m-s...20140303to304t

The release does not mention this boy.

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The release does not mention this boy.

That's because the release is for Brown (not Harvard) and it features 2014 grads (not 2015 grads).

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That's because the release is for Brown (not Harvard) and it features 2014 grads (not 2015 grads).

Obviously. So why was the link posted as an answer to #362 ? The person asked :
How can I find this list of players that college coaches are recruiting or thinking of recruiting?

That link tells of players who are going to Brown, not players that the coach is "recruiting or
thinking of recruiting". And Brown wasn't even in the conversation in the first place.

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Obviously. So why was the link posted as an answer to #362 ? The person asked :
How can I find this list of players that college coaches are recruiting or thinking of recruiting?

That link tells of players who are going to Brown, not players that the coach is "recruiting or
thinking of recruiting". And Brown wasn't even in the conversation in the first place.

Well I don't think any coach is going to publish a list of players he is thinking of recruiting , duh ??

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Well I don't think any coach is going to publish a list of players he is thinking of recruiting , duh ??

DUH??? Well then read #361 where the poster mentions offers by Duke, Harvard and BC. How does he/she know who these colleges are recruiting? Don't jump in without reading the previous posts. Duh.

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DUH??? Well then read #361 where the poster mentions offers by Duke, Harvard and BC. How does he/she know who these colleges are recruiting? Don't jump in without reading the previous posts. Duh.

Maybe he knows the player but a coach is not going to make public his list of prospects. Not until after the NLI is signed.

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Of course an applicant should grab the best he can. Reportedly plenty other schools were lined up with offers, too, so those who would damn Harvard for this should damn the other schools equally. It's a legitimate debate: to what extent should criminally violent behavior be held against someone? Once someone has served their sentence, should grand avenues be open to them a few years later? In a college admissions context, only Harvard knows how many other applicants with violent pasts apply, how many they accept, and what evidence the applicant provides that such behavior is not part of their character any more. Imagine you're an accepted applicant at BC, duke or the other schools pursuing him, might you go elsewhere now that you know the school accepts violent offenders just because they're exceptional in a sport, or do you trust that the admissions office has researched every applicant thoroughly, and you're just as safe as you'd be at another school?

I think the issue here is that we are looking at the Harvard that we would have applied to for admission. It was the Harvard of the 70s and 80s before the mass media of the internet where nothing now can be hushed and brushed under the rug. The school that we would have applied to, would not have accepted a student that had so publicly committed a crime. It was unheard of, if however, the parents were able to keep it from going public, well then...no harm no foul. The Harvard of today, does not really have that luxury. Everything is public knowledge and so they rely on their processes, whatever they may be, to decide whether a student meets that character standard.

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Maybe he knows the player but a coach is not going to make public his list of prospects. Not until after the NLI is signed.

Absolutely. So this is hearsay…. and as a player can (for whatever reason) invent a list of colleges who are recruiting him we really should wait and not speculate.

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Absolutely. So this is hearsay…. and as a player can (for whatever reason) invent a list of colleges who are recruiting him we really should wait and not speculate.

Also, admisisons is not over until they officially stamp it so, after the full appication is in. Coaches get a "read" from admissions based on what they submit, usually grades, transcript and SATs. There is not a full application, so who knows what the admissions office knows or does not.

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Bear in mind - AK could not have any commitment from Harvard admissions at this point in time - he will have no commitment until December, 2014. He hasn't submitted an application. He only has a coach's word.. do you think issues like falsification of age and violent behavior might not pass muster, not to mention his grades, tests and recs. The real risk in this case is Lehrer's reputation with the AD and admissions .. if he doesn't know, he's at risk in this..

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Bear in mind - AK could not have any commitment from Harvard admissions at this point in time - he will have no commitment until December, 2014. He hasn't submitted an application. He only has a coach's word.. do you think issues like falsification of age and violent behavior might not pass muster, not to mention his grades, tests and recs. The real risk in this case is Lehrer's reputation with the AD and admissions .. if he doesn't know, he's at risk in this..

I believe he is a very good student

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Ivy League schools do not have NLI.