ECNL wants to switch back to school year from birth year

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Has anyone else’s club(ECNL) sent questionnaire. regarding what grade/grad year your kids are in? My buddy said he got an email from his club director but his club also ECNL did not?

We did yesterday (west coast club).

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What's your basis for claiming RAE is miniscule at 14 for girls? Last published study I can find of ECNL girls shows an 18% spread between Q1 and Q4 at U15, about a 9% over/underrepresentation on each side. That went to 3% by U18. That means teams tend to lose a couple Q1 girls from the bench during those years and replace them with a couple Q4 girls, even without a cutoff switch. RAE is far from over at 14. At minimum, a sudden switch should get Q4 girls instantly to parity as they become largely Q1. The question is whether they will become overrepresented in the same way they would have been if they started as Q1.

The best available data should tell you that your typical U15 girls ECNL/NL team is expected to see 2-4 new Q1 girls (depending on how the RAE effects play in) who are coming from outside that pool (so ECNL/RL, GA, USYS, etc.). Those 2-4 spots are going to displace 2-4 girls from the Jan-Jul group if the roster size stays the same, particularly the Jan-Mar group looks to be more at risk than Apr-Jul. Your team could of course be different, but that should be your baseline expectation *IF this happens*.


The ‘spread’ is caused by weeding out the younger kids from age 6 when they start club up to U15 in your study. The kids still in the system at U15 have mostly evened out in respect to RAE. A 3 month clerical change of birth group parameters now won’t re-flood the soccer world with Q4 babies who left the system years ago. And it doesn’t make a September 2010 kid better than a Jan 2011 kid based on RAE. It will be skills and genetics at that point that makes the difference.

Switch to GY will be a big positive for the new crop of 6 yo kids entering club soccer. They will get to experience the RAE advantage of size speed and the preferential treatment and select that comes along with that advantage. Kids in high school now will not see RAE advantages but will see a change in recruiting processes and potential results.

Just a question was what group of kids did they measure? Rec kids? Travel kids? Random kids? ECNL/GA kids? It matters. I know there’s a lot of people holding out hope this switch is going to cause some great awakening but I promise you it will have a very small impact overall. It may change slightly players 16-18 but that’s it. Especially at u14. This dude’s can sight any study he wants. Go watch the games you will very quickly see that the month you were born in at u14 makes not much difference. Better to spend your time helping your player improve then trying to depend on this because it’s not going to change much

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If you asked me a year ago when my kid was in 7th grade, Q4, I would have been in support of the change back to grad year. She was small, less confident, less playing time etc. I was disheartened as I knew her drive to be the best she could was strong within her but she was passed over due to size and confidence. Now a year later she’s trapped. But she’s playing middle school and town. She’s staying fit and on the ball excited to join her 2010 team. She’s grown a couple inches, her skills are showing up on the field and taking this fall to be a leader in town and middle school has helped her find her voice and confidence. She will come off the fall season mentally stronger. I no longer see trapped as a problem for 8th graders. I do however worry about recruiting years and hope it all works out. We don’t want the switch back because even though she’s the youngest and only trapped 8th grader on her team, she plays at a higher level than if she was with younger kids. My vote, if I had one would be to not switch it back but to find a way to make sure trapped seniors have opportunities to be seen and recruited that should be fixed within by ECNL, GA and college coaches.

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So I won’t reveal myself but I did get some answers from the higher ups at ecnl . They indeed were thinking about the switch back . Talked it over with USYS . Usys was clear in the stance that they are not changing back . ECNL then got major push back from bigger clubs within that have more ecnl then usys teams that they are not in favor and so on . Ecnl has since switched there stance on this with it being to much now . They will release in Jan that they are not . You talk to anyone who means anything they will tell you same . Take it for what it is but it’s not happening. .

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Just a question was what group of kids did they measure? Rec kids? Travel kids? Random kids? ECNL/GA kids? It matters. I know there’s a lot of people holding out hope this switch is going to cause some great awakening but I promise you it will have a very small impact overall. It may change slightly players 16-18 but that’s it. Especially at u14. This dude’s can sight any study he wants. Go watch the games you will very quickly see that the month you were born in at u14 makes not much difference. Better to spend your time helping your player improve then trying to depend on this because it’s not going to change much

Korgaokar et al, 2018. Looking at the birthdays for ECNL girls 2012-13 season. Interpret it, or misinterpret it, however you want.

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So I won’t reveal myself but I did get some answers from the higher ups at ecnl . They indeed were thinking about the switch back . Talked it over with USYS . Usys was clear in the stance that they are not changing back . ECNL then got major push back from bigger clubs within that have more ecnl then usys teams that they are not in favor and so on . Ecnl has since switched there stance on this with it being to much now . They will release in Jan that they are not . You talk to anyone who means anything they will tell you same . Take it for what it is but it’s not happening. .

Very interesting. I was shown an email from a ECNL higher up last week. Won’t say who and it said this change was a real possibility for Fall 2025 and a decision will be made in a timely matter because they need to give ECNL time to prepare for the change.

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So I won’t reveal myself but I did get some answers from the higher ups at ecnl . They indeed were thinking about the switch back . Talked it over with USYS . Usys was clear in the stance that they are not changing back . ECNL then got major push back from bigger clubs within that have more ecnl then usys teams that they are not in favor and so on . Ecnl has since switched there stance on this with it being to much now . They will release in Jan that they are not . You talk to anyone who means anything they will tell you same . Take it for what it is but it’s not happening. .

That makes sense. ECNL can't switch without USYS and why would the top ECNL clubs want to change things up. That would potentially mess with the top teams and potentially hurt their standing as a club in some way.

Either everyone does the change or nobody will. ECNL won’t be allowed to be the outlier.

That’s good we can finally put the rumor to rest and everything will stay the same as it should.

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So I won’t reveal myself but I did get some answers from the higher ups at ecnl . They indeed were thinking about the switch back . Talked it over with USYS . Usys was clear in the stance that they are not changing back . ECNL then got major push back from bigger clubs within that have more ecnl then usys teams that they are not in favor and so on . Ecnl has since switched there stance on this with it being to much now . They will release in Jan that they are not . You talk to anyone who means anything they will tell you same . Take it for what it is but it’s not happening. .

Why wait until Jan?

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I actually meant to say that the clubs pushing back said they have more UsYS teams then ecnl and it would be impossible. Makes total sense . Either way you will hear in Jan that they are not . I’m not making this up and to doesn’t affect me so believe me when I tell you it’s all the truth

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I actually meant to say that the clubs pushing back said they have more UsYS teams then ecnl and it would be impossible. Makes total sense . Either way you will hear in Jan that they are not . I’m not making this up and to doesn’t affect me so believe me when I tell you it’s all the truth

Why wait so long? What is the purpose of that?
Lots of conflicting info on what’s happening.
when did you hear this?

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I actually meant to say that the clubs pushing back said they have more UsYS teams then ecnl and it would be impossible. Makes total sense . Either way you will hear in Jan that they are not . I’m not making this up and to doesn’t affect me so believe me when I tell you it’s all the truth

Not saying you’re making this up. But for a club to say impossible is crazy lazy. All the USYS teams stay the same and you have a separate registration process for ECNL. MLS next adds its bio banded players without a problem.

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Korgaokar et al, 2018. Looking at the birthdays for ECNL girls 2012-13 season. Interpret it, or misinterpret it, however you want.

Plenty of kids on ecnl rosters in q4. You don’t have access to that data anyway. So your perspective is your kids team

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Push back from bigger clubs? Why? What’s the big club motivation for keeping the birth year? Interesting and questioning the power of the big clubs.

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Listen I told you guys/ girls what I had . Don’t care if you believe anything I said . Don’t know why they picked Jan but you will know then . Enjoy your day everyone

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Listen I told you guys/ girls what I had . Don’t care if you believe anything I said . Don’t know why they picked Jan but you will know then . Enjoy your day everyone

Thanks for the update. God someone is sharing info rather than us just arguing why the other side is wrong.