Why You Just Don't Put the Big Fat Kid at CB Anymore

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becasue teams rarlely allow Mbappe space....obviously. if you truly beleive that "recorded" is not the key word and that Van der Vien and VVD are the fastest players in hte game, then I cant help you. There is a reason that all three named are defenders.

Clearly all the attackers are outrunning VDV and VVD and KW all the time. Just not when they’re recorded on camera…

Then again there were been some blistering attackers who had the fastest recorded runs in their day. Maybe ppl just stopped recording attackers?

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Clearly all the attackers are outrunning VDV and VVD and KW all the time. Just not when they’re recorded on camera…

Then again there were been some blistering attackers who had the fastest recorded runs in their day. Maybe ppl just stopped recording attackers?

Or maybe it’s just the way it is now…like the article said. My tall boy was shoved into a CB role by his club from U9 onward and meanwhile for his town team he played striker/CM. He was put there because he wasn’t as agile as those others with the quick short legs. Those kids are now a whole lot slower than him; we don’t score much, but fewer goals scored on us means a lot of ties so no shakeup. So he’s still playing CB even though he crushes forwards in a ladder. This is probably the story of those CBs. Your team specialized them early and then coaches couldn’t live without their dominance at the back.

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He also has been dropped mid-season by his last three clubs. I’m here to tell you that a system like that doesn’t produce wins consistently. It’s too easy for a team to create turn over and your counter attack turns into 1-0 my team and yeah we’ll play keep away for 89 minutes.

Well, a few points:

* I didn't advocate for anything with Mourinho. Actually hate the guy.
* Comment was around defending with a low block and how it's successful against "better" teams
* Actually, it's more than the last three clubs. He is beholden to the three-year curse. His message gets stale, and his sour personality and inflated ego does him no favors when times get hard
* He's also won:

-> (4) World's Best Club Coach honors
-> (2) UEFA Champions Leagues
-> (3) EPL Titles
-> (2) Serie A Titles
-> (2) Primeira Liga Titles
-> (1) La Liga Title
-> (1) Europa League
-> (1) UEFA Cup
-> (1) Europa Conference League
-> (13) Domestic Cups from various leagues

Anyhoo, the tactic can be deployed when you are playing with a team that can't attack as well. It's negative football, not a fan, but as proven above...is extremely successful Your argument is actually the furthest from reality as anything written on this board.

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Centerback is the one position that players have to earn the trust of the coach that’s why it’s a position that rarely gets substituted in a match. The foundation to earn that trust includes being mentally and physically tough and having a high soccer IQ. The best players at this position also have to be proactive and anticipate rather react as the play is developing. Being proactive gives the player at a 5 yard advantage in shutting the pass or the lane down. My kid has played Centerback since they were young because the coach saw those qualities in my kid. Coaches also like those players who have a high level of athleticism with speed and quickness. This is what has worked for my kid to get themself to a top D1 program.

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Well, a few points:

* I didn't advocate for anything with Mourinho. Actually hate the guy.
* Comment was around defending with a low block and how it's successful against "better" teams
* Actually, it's more than the last three clubs. He is beholden to the three-year curse. His message gets stale, and his sour personality and inflated ego does him no favors when times get hard
* He's also won:

-> (4) World's Best Club Coach honors
-> (2) UEFA Champions Leagues
-> (3) EPL Titles
-> (2) Serie A Titles
-> (2) Primeira Liga Titles
-> (1) La Liga Title
-> (1) Europa League
-> (1) UEFA Cup
-> (1) Europa Conference League
-> (13) Domestic Cups from various leagues

Anyhoo, the tactic can be deployed when you are playing with a team that can't attack as well. It's negative football, not a fan, but as proven above...is extremely successful Your argument is actually the furthest from reality as anything written on this board.

My argument is quite good actually is quite good actually and even credit to you involves using space. You see a backward pass isn’t just a tool for possession it, it’s used to move the opponent into a different space. By bating a team to stretch out of a low block I’ve given my team space to make runs into and retain possession and strand the opponent up field. As a Spurs fan I can assure you that in the “Jose” days, it wasn’t just Man City moving the ball around on us to manipulate our shape. Mid-table teams did it too. Van de Ven was selected by big Ange for his speed, ability to pass under pressure, and tackling ability to fit the current system. On another team or era, he could probably be a pressing striker with a high work rate. I think this was the whole point of the OP. Too often we like to put players in boxes and then lament that we don’t have the quality we need in various positions.

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My argument is quite good actually is quite good actually and even credit to you involves using space. You see a backward pass isn’t just a tool for possession it, it’s used to move the opponent into a different space. By bating a team to stretch out of a low block I’ve given my team space to make runs into and retain possession and strand the opponent up field. As a Spurs fan I can assure you that in the “Jose” days, it wasn’t just Man City moving the ball around on us to manipulate our shape. Mid-table teams did it too. Van de Ven was selected by big Ange for his speed, ability to pass under pressure, and tackling ability to fit the current system. On another team or era, he could probably be a pressing striker with a high work rate. I think this was the whole point of the OP. Too often we like to put players in boxes and then lament that we don’t have the quality we need in various positions.

LOL you lost me at spurs...... Come up with a real example from a real club and let's go from there.

Anyhoo, back to original point where "Mourinho" was first uttered - less talented teams can't nor should they go pass for pass or toe to toe. So, they will "park the bus" or "hunker down" or play with a "low block", tightening spaces and as a club passes around the midfield with sterile possession, they hop on a turnover. The rest of post isn't saying anything new...yes...of course the intent is to pas it around and back and side to side, wherever you can to draw them out and open a lane.

Other than that, not really sure what you are adding.

SMH...spurs....

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LOL you lost me at spurs...... Come up with a real example from a real club and let's go from there.

Anyhoo, back to original point where "Mourinho" was first uttered - less talented teams can't nor should they go pass for pass or toe to toe. So, they will "park the bus" or "hunker down" or play with a "low block", tightening spaces and as a club passes around the midfield with sterile possession, they hop on a turnover. The rest of post isn't saying anything new...yes...of course the intent is to pas it around and back and side to side, wherever you can to draw them out and open a lane.

Other than that, not really sure what you are adding.

SMH...spurs....

The person is making a valid point about Ange ball. Have you followed his path in coaching? He has done with this Spurs team that supposed geniuses Mourinho, Conte and Pochettino never accomplished. You have a lot to learn.

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The person is making a valid point about Ange ball. Have you followed his path in coaching? He has done with this Spurs team that supposed geniuses Mourinho, Conte and Pochettino never accomplished. You have a lot to learn.

What's the point?

Pochettino took them to a UCL final. Far beyond whatever Ange has done in his career.

But, also, it didn't actually address anything. Very Spurs-like, though....

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My argument is quite good actually is quite good actually and even credit to you involves using space. You see a backward pass isn’t just a tool for possession it, it’s used to move the opponent into a different space. By bating a team to stretch out of a low block I’ve given my team space to make runs into and retain possession and strand the opponent up field. As a Spurs fan I can assure you that in the “Jose” days, it wasn’t just Man City moving the ball around on us to manipulate our shape. Mid-table teams did it too. Van de Ven was selected by big Ange for his speed, ability to pass under pressure, and tackling ability to fit the current system. On another team or era, he could probably be a pressing striker with a high work rate. I think this was the whole point of the OP. Too often we like to put players in boxes and then lament that we don’t have the quality we need in various positions.

You are trying too hard mate. Not clear what point your are arguing or mkaing anymore.

Then you get this

"Centerback is the one position that players have to earn the trust of the coach that’s why it’s a position that rarely gets substituted in a match. The foundation to earn that trust includes being mentally and physically tough and having a high soccer IQ. The best players at this position also have to be proactive and anticipate rather react as the play is developing. Being proactive gives the player at a 5 yard advantage in shutting the pass or the lane down. My kid has played Centerback since they were young because the coach saw those qualities in my kid. Coaches also like those players who have a high level of athleticism with speed and quickness. This is what has worked for my kid to get themself to a top D1 program."

Almost every topic turns into a parent linking it to their child. Every position has to earn a coaches trust. There are other reasons why it rarely gets subbed. Generally, GK aside, CBs cover the least ground. Central Strikers next. Wide players the most. Mental and physical toughness and High IQ are desirable traits in any position. I see a lof of players, CBs included who just kick the ball out of play under threat so its by no menaas universal to CBs. Defending is about team shape and no matter how good you think your kid is, they will struggle to play defense alone vs a quality team. Most srikers have finishing instincts. Hard to develop. Not saying your kid could not be one, but finishing is one of the harder things to do so if a player shows any apitude for that they are usually given every chacne to succeed at it.

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What's the point?

Pochettino took them to a UCL final. Far beyond whatever Ange has done in his career.

But, also, it didn't actually address anything. Very Spurs-like, though....

Exactly. I get it. Meida now is a glorified fan channel. Very little balance. Ange has onherited a a team with zero expectations post Kane and one game a week. He has done fone given the history, but objectivly he has a way to go to eclipse what Mou, Poch or Conte did, even at Spurs. Spurs are being measured very differntly now to how they were. Lets see how he does once expectations start.

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The person is making a valid point about Ange ball. Have you followed his path in coaching? He has done with this Spurs team that supposed geniuses Mourinho, Conte and Pochettino never accomplished. You have a lot to learn.

Yep. I guess you’d have to follow soccer like me and you to see that. It’s been quite a change in very little time in a league where most coaching changes produce immaterial changes to the next seasons record.

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You are trying too hard mate. Not clear what point your are arguing or mkaing anymore.

Then you get this

"Centerback is the one position that players have to earn the trust of the coach that’s why it’s a position that rarely gets substituted in a match. The foundation to earn that trust includes being mentally and physically tough and having a high soccer IQ. The best players at this position also have to be proactive and anticipate rather react as the play is developing. Being proactive gives the player at a 5 yard advantage in shutting the pass or the lane down. My kid has played Centerback since they were young because the coach saw those qualities in my kid. Coaches also like those players who have a high level of athleticism with speed and quickness. This is what has worked for my kid to get themself to a top D1 program."

Almost every topic turns into a parent linking it to their child. Every position has to earn a coaches trust. There are other reasons why it rarely gets subbed. Generally, GK aside, CBs cover the least ground. Central Strikers next. Wide players the most. Mental and physical toughness and High IQ are desirable traits in any position. I see a lof of players, CBs included who just kick the ball out of play under threat so it’sby no menaas universal to CBs. Defending is about team shape and no matter how good you think your kid is, they will struggle to play defense alone vs a quality team. Most srikers have finishing instincts. Hard to develop. Not saying your kid could not be one, but finishing is one of the harder things to do so if a player shows any apitude for that they are usually given every chacne to succeed at it.

I didn’t write both. There’s more than one writer here making a similar point.

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Exactly. I get it. Meida now is a glorified fan channel. Very little balance. Ange has onherited a a team with zero expectations post Kane and one game a week. He has done fone given the history, but objectivly he has a way to go to eclipse what Mou, Poch or Conte did, even at Spurs. Spurs are being measured very differntly now to how they were. Let’s see how he does once expectations start.

Ange is just in an earlier stage of his career than those guys who all started with a team that made a meteoric rise - like the Spurs this year. I’m unphased by an argument that they aren’t in the UCL and that makes all the difference. They still have plenty of Kane money and new stadium money that can field some more depth for fixture congestion. BTW competition in the UCL has never been softer so I’m not seeing this as a similar challenge than say 4 years ago. Bayern, Madrid, and Paris are all weaker. One of the Prem teams will win this year.

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So the important question, now where do you put the big fat kid?

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So the important question, now where do you put the big fat kid?

In wrestling.