When does physical play cross into assault

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Going back 14 years to a player whose life was destroyed because it was caught on film? It only proves that soccer isn’t played to intentionally injure other players.

Did you watch the video?

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^If anyone doubted that this thread is being stoked by a troll for reaction, this should erase the doubt. Let’s all walk away from the thread and let manly man get back to his steroids and rogaine treatments.

Don't you need to go change your tampon?

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Wow, you're so tough! You're my hero!

lol!

Wow, you're such a baby...you're everything that's wrong with this country.

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No. It's anatomy.

There is no definitive proof. Just theories. Why is there no discrepancy between boy and girl tennis players? or skiers? or skaters? or gymnasts? Why is soccer the single sport creating the disparity?

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There is no definitive proof. Just theories. Why is there no discrepancy between boy and girl tennis players? or skiers? or skaters? or gymnasts? Why is soccer the single sport creating the disparity?

There is no secret that men and women are built differently. The reasons for females being more at risk for ACL injury have been extensively studied. The increased risk for injury appears to be associated with many factors, including a narrower intercondylar femoral notch and smaller ACL, an increase in natural ligament laxity, slower reflex time, an imbalance secondary to greater quadriceps strength and hamstring weakness, fluctuation in estrogen levels, and the tendency for females to land flat-footed.

The research has shown that ACL injury rates are influenced by the differences in the biomechanics of men and women. Key differences include:

• Landing position: When landing from a jumping position, female athletes tend to land with the knee in extension, which transfers the force of impact to the knee joint. Men tend to absorb more of the energy of impact by landing with their knees in a flexed position.
• Valgus alignment: Women have an increased knee valgus, and this alignment leads to more stress to the knee ligaments with activities.

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There is no definitive proof. Just theories. Why is there no discrepancy between boy and girl tennis players? or skiers? or skaters? or gymnasts? Why is soccer the single sport creating the disparity? [/QUOTE

Educate yourself.

The increase in ACL tear is higher in women's basketball than women's soccer, relative to their male counterparts.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4805849/

Here is some info on women's skiing having higher incidence of ACL injuries than men

http://www.kneebinding.com/content09...ekneesmore.pdf

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There is no secret that men and women are built differently. The reasons for females being more at risk for ACL injury have been extensively studied. The increased risk for injury appears to be associated with many factors, including a narrower intercondylar femoral notch and smaller ACL, an increase in natural ligament laxity, slower reflex time, an imbalance secondary to greater quadriceps strength and hamstring weakness, fluctuation in estrogen levels, and the tendency for females to land flat-footed.

The research has shown that ACL injury rates are influenced by the differences in the biomechanics of men and women. Key differences include:

• Landing position: When landing from a jumping position, female athletes tend to land with the knee in extension, which transfers the force of impact to the knee joint. Men tend to absorb more of the energy of impact by landing with their knees in a flexed position.
• Valgus alignment: Women have an increased knee valgus, and this alignment leads to more stress to the knee ligaments with activities.

"Some research suggests differences in movement patterns which disadvantage girls and women (eg, dynamic knee valgus32 and peak landing forces),33 but no strong evidence exists that the biomechanics at the moment of ACL injury is different between sexes."

Newer studies are pointing to the fact that we don't treat girls as athletes like we do boys. Both training and competition are dumbed down to accommodate girls. Anyone who has watched girls club soccer vs boys can attest to this.

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"Some research suggests differences in movement patterns which disadvantage girls and women (eg, dynamic knee valgus32 and peak landing forces),33 but no strong evidence exists that the biomechanics at the moment of ACL injury is different between sexes."

Newer studies are pointing to the fact that we don't treat girls as athletes like we do boys. Both training and competition are dumbed down to accommodate girls. Anyone who has watched girls club soccer vs boys can attest to this.

Lower level and less athletic boys would have a higher propensity towards ACL tears under that theory.

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Lower level and less athletic boys would have a higher propensity towards ACL tears under that theory.

Lower level and less athletic players most likely aren't playing into the high school ages and certainly not playing more than a 3 month season which decreases the odds of injury significantly. They also tend to be far less competitive/aggressive.

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There is no definitive proof. Just theories. Why is there no discrepancy between boy and girl tennis players? or skiers? or skaters? or gymnasts? Why is soccer the single sport creating the disparity? [/QUOTE

Educate yourself.

The increase in ACL tear is higher in women's basketball than women's soccer, relative to their male counterparts.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4805849/

Here is some info on women's skiing having higher incidence of ACL injuries than men

http://www.kneebinding.com/content09...ekneesmore.pdf

Just to show how all over the map studies have been, here is a study that flat out contradicts the findings you posted re: skiers:

Methods: Data were collected from elite French national teams (379 athletes: 188 women and 191 men) from 1980 to 2005.

Results: Fifty-three of the female skiers (28.2%) and 52 of the male skiers (27.2%) sustained at least 1 anterior cruciate ligament injury. . Men and women were similar with regard to primary anterior cruciate ligament injury rate

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Did you watch the video?

I don't need to watch the video, I saw it when it happened.

As to the consequences:

Elizabeth Lambert: The Making of a Monster - 2009 article
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...g-of-a-monster

Reinstated in 2010
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...ory?id=5493335

Anyway, back to the point. The kind of behavior described in the first post isn't tolerated in college, international or pro soccer, because it is not how the game is played.

That's why all the hockey, football and basketball analogies are irrelevant. That is how those games are played.

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That Bleacher Report article pretty much settles this discussion: The refs, the coach and the teammates all have a responsibility to tamp down this kind of behavior. Retaliation isn't the answer.

The referees should most certainly face some blame. The refs can’t see everything, but in a soccer game there are at least three of them, one in the middle and one on each sideline. How none of them noticed any of the fouls (especially the ponytail yank) except for one trip is abhorrent.

Some of the fouls were also committed while Lambert was on the ball, so at least the center referee should have been watching. When you let this type of play slide, it only manifests itself into something bigger.

What were Lambert’s teammates thinking during all of this? While Lambert says it was a physical match, she went above and beyond to inflict pain. Her teammates have a responsibility to recognize that what Lambert did was wrong and at least get her to calm herself. Someone from BYU could have retaliated, on either Lambert or another New Mexico player, and the game could have been even uglier.

Also, some responsibility and blame should fall on head coach Kit Vela’s shoulders. Lambert’s actions were reprehensible. How does Vela allow her to stay in the game and continue to make infraction after infraction?

The coach is the figurehead of the team, especially in college athletics, and should hold true to the school’s, conference’s, and entire NCAA’s sportsmanship policies. No player should be above fair play. It is Vela’s job to recognize Lambert’s actions and pull her from the game.

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There is no definitive proof. Just theories.

Not according to the world renowned orthopedic surgeon that replaced my child's ACL. I'll take her word over a jabroni on TS.

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Wow, you're such a baby...you're everything that's wrong with this country.

Tough guy...so tough! lol!

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Lower level and less athletic players most likely aren't playing into the high school ages and certainly not playing more than a 3 month season which decreases the odds of injury significantly. They also tend to be far less competitive/aggressive.

They're also more likely to be multi-sport athletes which also helps reduce ACL risks. Most Orthopedics agree all year soccer is a bad idea for still growing bodies. Don't tell Mr pros do it. Pros get more rest and have proper fitness training. The average US youth player does not.