When does physical play cross into assault

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You're the kind of guy with a chastity belt because you have no balls. You don't run away when things get hard, you turn and face your challenge. But you wouldn't know anything about that because you have no heart or courage. Fight your own battles, when your own wars.

Says the guy hiding behind an anonymous post, the irony is astounding

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Says the guy hiding behind an anonymous post, the irony is astounding

Says the guy hiding behind an anonymous post complaining about the guy hiding behind an anonymous post, the irony is astounding

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There are a few posters on here who just like to disagree; some others who are just here to cause trouble; and some more that are just POS, showing us who they really are. It’s hard to tell which one of those Mr Chastity Balls is, maybe some of all three. But definitely the last.

The guy who started this thread has it right. That is not soccer, no decent ref or coach allows that.

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There are a few posters on here who just like to disagree; some others who are just here to cause trouble; and some more that are just POS, showing us who they really are. It’s hard to tell which one of those Mr Chastity Balls is, maybe some of all three. But definitely the last.

The guy who started this thread has it right. That is not soccer, no decent ref or coach allows that.

Aww, did this hurt your itty bitty feelings? Are you jealous of the guy's chastity? This is so funny. Go do swimming, or make a pot. Don't play contact sports they are for the tough ones in the workd not betas like you. I think there's a nice ballet for your son. No one gets hurt there. You mat even like his little pink dress!

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There are a few posters on here who just like to disagree; some others who are just here to cause trouble; and some more that are just POS, showing us who they really are. It’s hard to tell which one of those Mr Chastity Balls is, maybe some of all three. But definitely the last.

The guy who started this thread has it right. That is not soccer, no decent ref or coach allows that.

And, again, no decent ref or coach allows it. But, once it happens, that is the question.

Are you going to pull the team off? My kid would be pissed for a game to be cancelled.

Are you going to sue the ref? Good luck with that.

Going to have the coaches fight it out? Fantastic, I'll pay money to see that

Most likely, and most tried and true method throughout every single sport in history: retribution. It doesn't mean a two-footed Ryan Shawcross tackle on Eduardo to "get even". There are ways to send a message, and it can be done within the laws of the game as well. Or, it could be outside, and punishment results. But, players have to know how to take care of themselves, and their teammates, on the pitch. Again, every single team sport does this.

Want to throw at our batters? We'll throw at yours...pretty soon they ask their pitchers to knock if off.

LB runs a WR? Another WR gives him a blindside hit next chance they get.

Hard foul under the hoop? You'll get yours next time down the floor.

Coming in with a high stick behind the play? There are plenty of opportunities to run someone on the ice.

Take out a player on the pitch? Next opportunity maybe you give them a little extra with the shoulder, maybe more. Take the foul, take the card, but let them know you'll keep coming until they knock it off.

If you can't understand that, competitive sports just ain't your thing.

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The reality is that its probably a number of reasons that the games are overly physical. American sports parents ignorant of what is/isn't a foul because they do not watch anything but their own kids games. South American game definitely is much more physical than European. Dilution of talent means that you get some players who are not athletic or smart enough, even in really top teams. Coaches pressured to win at all costs. Referee standards dropping as all of the aforementioned lunatics yell, scream and follow them to the parking lot so the refs all quit and all we are left with is the ones desperate to just make some money and go home, which they do by not calling anything and hoping to avoid being yelled at or assaulted. And on and on down the drain it goes.

Step 1 for all of us - stop yelling at, threatening or chasing referees after every single poor call.

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Players are very good a retribution that looks like a legit tackle or shoulder to shoulder contact. Watch a college game. Check out "professional" fouls. Soccer is a physical sport.

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So, all this ramble tells me is you have no idea what a tactical foul is and what how to make them. This is funny.

I am starting to think that “tough” dad is actually a parody of “real” “tough” dad. You can’t be that clueless about the game.
BTW, a tactical foul is still a foul. There is no interpretation about it. The interpretation can determine if you get a card or not. If the ref interpreted that you stopped a counterattack, then that is a yellow card.
But a tactical foul doesn’t involve breaking someone’s nose or leg. And the answer to that is not to go and retaliate that by breaking another nose or leg. That is just absurd. Encourage skills and protect skills over violence. And punish violence, giving red cards and suspensions. That will hopefully help coaches and as a result players understand better the sport.

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If you can't understand that, competitive sports just ain't your thing.

Club soccer isn't football, or hockey, or even hoops. The fact that you don't see this kind of play in 95+% of club games, or any college or pro games, makes it pretty clear how the game should be played. The analogies from other sports don't hold up.

And no amount of score settling will repair an ACL or broken bone, or recover a lost season or worse. All it does is create more damage. That's completely the wrong way to think about it.

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Players are very good a retribution that looks like a legit tackle or shoulder to shoulder contact. Watch a college game. Check out "professional" fouls. Soccer is a physical sport.

Yes and players are quite adept and doing sneaky things a ref won't see like stomping on your arch. I'm not encouraging it of course but it happens. Any coach that encourages or rewards play that crosses the line shouldn't be a coach. There absolutely is a line between legal appropriate play and intent to take a player out. There are players who are hard wired that way so then you have to look to the ultimate source - the parents. Unfortunately a rough player who can actually play will be tolerated if they help a team win games.

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Anyone can be sued for any reason. (It doesn't mean you'll win or lose)

What planet do you live on?

Add in that teams have forfeited games because they felt the ref was alloiwng dangerous play + suddently Judges show interest.

Please cite a few cases where a ref was sued. Teams forfeiting games over rough play are also as rare as hens teeth.

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I am starting to think that “tough” dad is actually a parody of “real” “tough” dad. You can’t be that clueless about the game.
BTW, a tactical foul is still a foul. There is no interpretation about it. The interpretation can determine if you get a card or not. If the ref interpreted that you stopped a counterattack, then that is a yellow card.
But a tactical foul doesn’t involve breaking someone’s nose or leg. And the answer to that is not to go and retaliate that by breaking another nose or leg. That is just absurd. Encourage skills and protect skills over violence. And punish violence, giving red cards and suspensions. That will hopefully help coaches and as a result players understand better the sport.

So, this tells me you don't know how to police the game without someone doing it for you. Of course you want to encourage skills, and a tactical foul is any foul down with a purpose (could be to stop a counter, or could be to send a message...either way, there is intent). Never said it has to be a broken leg or nose. As I said, it's possible the message won't even be called a foul.

You are trying to address a short term issue with a long term resolution. While you can wax on about what should be done and coaching and culture and yadda yadda, there are kids going down and someone needs to make sure it stops. That's for the players to police. Always has been, always will be.

That's OK, can't help what you don't know. You can try to learn, of course, or you can just hunker down. Your choice.

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Club soccer isn't football, or hockey, or even hoops. The fact that you don't see this kind of play in 95+% of club games, or any college or pro games, makes it pretty clear how the game should be played. The analogies from other sports don't hold up.

And no amount of score settling will repair an ACL or broken bone, or recover a lost season or worse. All it does is create more damage. That's completely the wrong way to think about it.

For reference as to what a dirty player looks like google: Elizabeth Lambert New Mexico Soccer Hair Pull. Watch the highlights (lowlights) of her vs BYU. Think the game was 2009.

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Refs don’t get sued. What planet do you live on?

Laws have changed. They do if they continue to allow dangerous play which results in an injury.

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When you actively eliminate skilled players from the sport in favor of fast, shin kickers, this is the result. Why do female soccer players have a higher risk of ACL tears? It's not some bs about the structure of their knees. It's because the inability to control the ball results in constant cuts, chasing and collisions.