Can someone discuss the benefits of D3 soccer.

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I hire people all the time and I could care less if they go Ivy. Nowadays the attitude and work ethic of the younger people coming out of college, entitled, lazy, etc is a problem. I’ll take the hard worker who shows ambition and maturity over anyone else. College is a path to a job/career. Ivy or state college grad doesn’t matter to me it’s work ethic and problem solving skills.

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I hire people all the time and I could care less if they go Ivy. Nowadays the attitude and work ethic of the younger people coming out of college, entitled, lazy, etc is a problem. I’ll take the hard worker who shows ambition and maturity over anyone else. College is a path to a job/career. Ivy or state college grad doesn’t matter to me it’s work ethic and problem solving skills.

Same. But some Ivy grad will be telling you that you hire low-level people and the Ivy grads are just a step above

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I hire people all the time and I could care less if they go Ivy. Nowadays the attitude and work ethic of the younger people coming out of college, entitled, lazy, etc is a problem. I’ll take the hard worker who shows ambition and maturity over anyone else. College is a path to a job/career. Ivy or state college grad doesn’t matter to me it’s work ethic and problem solving skills.

A top school with great alumni networks can give you a leg up coming out of school and getting the first job. Some companies just don't look at certain levels of schools. But after 2 years of working it's all about what you achieve in the workplace. I don't even know where many of my coworkers went to school unless it comes up in casual conversation. I don't look at the schools when reviewing resumes, but I don't hire entry-level.

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There are 340 D1 Colleges. What exactly is D1 caliber for all those colleges?

^^This. The phrase "D1 calibre" is misleading and overused. the top D1 soccer schools vs the rest (outside say top30) are mostly mismatches. heck, in recent times BC vs the top ACC teams has been a mismatch.

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^^This. The phrase "D1 calibre" is misleading and overused. the top D1 soccer schools vs the rest (outside say top30) are mostly mismatches. heck, in recent times BC vs the top ACC teams has been a mismatch.

Absolutely there's a huge variation from top to bottom - and a big variation within any one given roster too. And as much as the D1 cheerleaders hate to hear it - there's definitely overlap with some lower D1 programs and top D3 programs and players. There's some overlap on the venn diagram

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Absolutely there's a huge variation from top to bottom - and a big variation within any one given roster too. And as much as the D1 cheerleaders hate to hear it - there's definitely overlap with some lower D1 programs and top D3 programs and players. There's some overlap on the venn diagram

Agreed. And, there are D3 teams that would get their kicked in by a poor HS team.

But not Ivy, cream of every crop.

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Milton Academy won as many Ivy League games in 2022 at Brown and Columbia.

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Agreed. And, there are D3 teams that would get their kicked in by a poor HS team.

But not Ivy, cream of every crop.

That too. There's also some good top D2 teams and some crap ones

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Agreed. And, there are D3 teams that would get their kicked in by a poor HS team.

But not Ivy, cream of every crop.

Cornell soccer is awful.

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If she really is a D1 Caliber player, and she has the academic chops for MIT / Williams / Tufts, I'm with the other poster. Why not Ivy?

It's all a matter of priority. At Ivy, your time commitment to soccer is far greater than it is at MIT/Williams/Tufts, especially in the spring. If you're interested in internships, heavy class loads, semesters abroad, etc), it is much harder (not impossible) to do at an Ivy playing D1 soccer than it is at MIT/Williams/Tufts playing D3 soccer.

On top of that, some Ivies have terrible soccer programs. I would put the MIT/Williams/Tufts teams up against Cornell or Dartmouth pretty evenly.

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Absolutely there's a huge variation from top to bottom - and a big variation within any one given roster too. And as much as the D1 cheerleaders hate to hear it - there's definitely overlap with some lower D1 programs and top D3 programs and players. There's some overlap on the venn diagram

I would say this: The recruiting class of top D3 programs are competitive/comparable to the mid- and lower- D1 programs. But over the course of 4 years, a player at the D1 program will have trained and played a lot more soccer than the D3 player, so most of the mid- and lower- D1 teams end up being better than even the top D3 teams simply because the teams and upperclass players train more and have more playing experience.

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I would say this: The recruiting class of top D3 programs are competitive/comparable to the mid- and lower- D1 programs. But over the course of 4 years, a player at the D1 program will have trained and played a lot more soccer than the D3 player, so most of the mid- and lower- D1 teams end up being better than even the top D3 teams simply because the teams and upperclass players train more and have more playing experience.

And then they graduate.

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If she really is a D1 Caliber player, and she has the academic chops for MIT / Williams / Tufts, I'm with the other poster. Why not Ivy?

Silly to compare MIT to an Ivy. Very different type of student.

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And then they graduate.

yes, and no one will care where they played, just where they went to school

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Depends on the kid.
D3 soccer is at least a 20 hr/week commitment.
Are you using D3 soccer to get into an excellent academic school and major?
If so, your kid's academic peers (with whom she is competing) have an extra 20 hrs/week than your kid. Don't underestimate that.
OTOH, maybe your kid couldn't get into that school without soccer so its worth it.
Or, maybe those extra 20 hr/week would be spent in mischief so D3 is worth it.
Or, maybe D3 creates a positive and healthy social environment for your kid.

Only you and your kid can figure out what fits.

Agree. Also look at the college roster senior day announcements for the colleges they are interested in. What majors/degrees are they getting? How many seniors left compared to recruiting class number? D1 is a full time job - even at low level D1s. Most players switch to the easiest major they can find (Psych/Communicatiion/SportsSomethingforAthletes to be able to get a degree. Don’t go to a school where the athletes are 90% fluff majors. Don’t go to a college where recruiting classes average over 10 and senior night soccer photos only show 5 or less graduating and still playing. Soccer ends (even if its after playing pro for 20k/year in Croatia for a year. If that isn’t your daughter’s dream, id choose D3 hands down.