Can someone discuss the benefits of D3 soccer.

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D1 or D3, make sure that you select the school based on academics and fit. Competitive soccer will end in four years (or in most cases, earlier) but she has a long career ahead of her.

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No doubt many D1 athletes have positive experiences. But many also do not. The rate at which players drop out or transfer is quite high. Many players come in already semi-burnt out, then add on academic challenges, nagging injuries, rarely playing, or simply wanting to move on with your next chapter. I agree with above your heart has to fully on board with it. The thread op's kid seems to be leaning D3 already so that's probably the better path for her. Each student athlete has to decide for themselves.

Many d3 athletes have great experiences, many do not. Who knew?

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D1 or D3, make sure that you select the school based on academics and fit. Competitive soccer will end in four years (or in most cases, earlier) but she has a long career ahead of her.

"Most cases"?

Some cases, sure...but "most"? So you are saying more than 50% of players quit before their four years are up? I'm not buying it.

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No doubt many D1 athletes have positive experiences. But many also do not. The rate at which players drop out or transfer is quite high. Many players come in already semi-burnt out, then add on academic challenges, nagging injuries, rarely playing, or simply wanting to move on with your next chapter. I agree with above your heart has to fully on board with it. The thread op's kid seems to be leaning D3 already so that's probably the better path for her. Each student athlete has to decide for themselves.

The transfer rate is less for a college athlete than it is for the general student population. So, by playing a sport, you are more likely to stay at your school than not.

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The transfer rate is less for a college athlete than it is for the general student population. So, by playing a sport, you are more likely to stay at your school than not.

"According to the National Student Clearinghouse, around one-third of college students transfer schools before earning their degree. The number of transfer students varies by institution but generally falls somewhere between 15% and 40% of all newly enrolled undergraduates."

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"In the years 2021 & 2022, approximately 12000 of the 52000 student-athletes (23%) transferred from their institution"

Note, those numbers are rising, hence the NCAA looking to reign in the transfer portal.

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The transfer rate is less for a college athlete than it is for the general student population. So, by playing a sport, you are more likely to stay at your school than not.

except you missed the posters other word "drop out." Many D1 players aren't on a roster by junior year. Just look at alumni from your kids club who graduated 2-3 years ago and see how many aren't playing at all.

Agree that it's tough to transfer as an athlete because you have to find a team that wants you, plus have all the academic and other pieces in place. That said, once you decide to enter the portal you are off that first team. So if you don't find a place to play you're done either way.

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I don't know how many quit soccer specifically but there definitely are quite a few players I know persanlly that did. A quick google search shows 20-35% of all student athletes quit their sport while in school. That's nothing to just glance over. If you can't go to school without the scholarshiip$ take that into consideration. Yes it mostly works out but 25%+ it doesn't?


“I didn’t want to spend all of my time doing athletics,” https://williamsrecord.com/459864/sp...g-their-teams/

"...more than one in four athletes ended up quitting their teams, according to online roster data". https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2...ion-data-2020/

"Not surprising that 33% of collegiate athletes eventually quit participating in their respective sport". https://digitalresearch.bsu.edu/info...dent-athletes/

"The premier collegiate student-athletes essentially have two full-time jobs: student and athlete. To meet the demands of both, many Division I student-athletes end up committing nearly 60 hours to school and sports, leaving very little time for anything else. A recent exhaustive study of 44,058 student-athletes, 2,445 school administrators and 3,071 head coaches explored the time demands placed on Division I student-athletes and found a major conflict of interest. https://www.ncsasports.org/blog/stud...etes-excessive

https://news.usc.edu/trojan-family/c...psychologists/

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except you missed the posters other word "drop out." Many D1 players aren't on a roster by junior year. Just look at alumni from your kids club who graduated 2-3 years ago and see how many aren't playing at all.

Agree that it's tough to transfer as an athlete because you have to find a team that wants you, plus have all the academic and other pieces in place. That said, once you decide to enter the portal you are off that first team. So if you don't find a place to play you're done either way.

I have looked at my kid's college roster over the last several years, going back to 2016. Transfer/drop outs are quite low - 82 players listed on the roster during that time, of which 13 transferred out/quit the game. Of those transferring out, 6 were grad school transfers. So, 16%.

I'm sure there are schools that will be higher, and lower. The schools she was recruited by and were down to the final offers, were all within the same range of that 16% The point is, nowhere is there are an accurate stat that shows "Most" players stop playing before 4 years. Some, sure. Considerable? Possibly. Most? No way in hell. And, as mentioned, the rates are lower for athletes than the general student population, so it's a non-issue.

Also interesting is that just over half of the players who enter the portal, actually transfer.

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I have looked at my kid's college roster over the last several years, going back to 2016. Transfer/drop outs are quite low - 82 players listed on the roster during that time, of which 13 transferred out/quit the game. Of those transferring out, 6 were grad school transfers. So, 16%.

I'm sure there are schools that will be higher, and lower. The schools she was recruited by and were down to the final offers, were all within the same range of that 16% The point is, nowhere is there are an accurate stat that shows "Most" players stop playing before 4 years. Some, sure. Considerable? Possibly. Most? No way in hell. And, as mentioned, the rates are lower for athletes than the general student population, so it's a non-issue.

Also interesting is that just over half of the players who enter the portal, actually transfer.

yes it is one school. poster above posted other data showing it higher but of course it's not 50%. every student athlete should go in expecting it to work and working towards that goal, but sometimes it just doesn't.

don't know where you got that transfer rate but it's excessively high. very few will find a new place to play and no doubt some put out feelers before they actually entered to the portal.

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yes it is one school. poster above posted other data showing it higher but of course it's not 50%. every student athlete should go in expecting it to work and working towards that goal, but sometimes it just doesn't.

don't know where you got that transfer rate but it's excessively high. very few will find a new place to play and no doubt some put out feelers before they actually entered to the portal.

Yes, I gave specifics on one school because that was all we ultimately worried about and data we kept. But, I also mentioned: "The schools she was recruited by and were down to the final offers, were all within the same range of that 16%" (I don't recall the exact data on the other 5 but none were more than 20%, and one I recall being 0%)

Again, there's like a thousand schools out there so no desire to go into it further, just pointing out the false data being represented when posters say "most" athletes won't play their four years. It's considerably lower than that and as mentioned, lower than the general population. So, it's a non-issue.

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Endicott men's soccer had 50 players on the roster last year. How many of those players are quiet quitting?

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^^ I should also admit that using data from several years ago to predict going forward is a flawed study. With the changes in the transfer portal, it will continue to increase...I just don't ever see it getting to a "most" unless Deion Sanders is taking over your program.

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Why does your daughter play soccer? How important is it for her to continue to play soccer? On the scale of 1 to 10, how much does your daughter enjoy playing soccer (1-wouldn't miss it if stopped 10=devastated if not playing).

What others experienced might be valuable information, but it might also guide you the wrong path.
So, start with the why... not you answering, your daughter is the one who has to answer this.
Then go from there.

Yes to this. So many families fail to ask this question. To the OP... think about this first and foremost.

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Yes, I gave specifics on one school because that was all we ultimately worried about and data we kept. But, I also mentioned: "The schools she was recruited by and were down to the final offers, were all within the same range of that 16%" (I don't recall the exact data on the other 5 but none were more than 20%, and one I recall being 0%)

Again, there's like a thousand schools out there so no desire to go into it further, just pointing out the false data being represented when posters say "most" athletes won't play their four years. It's considerably lower than that and as mentioned, lower than the general population. So, it's a non-issue.

Is the word "many" better? Because it is many, but definitely not most.

And yes the transfer portal has turned into a bit of a monster for the NCAA and athletic departments. Be careful what you wish for? I don't think it's been as big an issue for soccer as it has football and basketball. The last of the Covid athletes are winding down which will help - lots of 5th years moved around for grad school + an extra year.

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Is the word "many" better? Because it is many, but definitely not most.

And yes the transfer portal has turned into a bit of a monster for the NCAA and athletic departments. Be careful what you wish for? I don't think it's been as big an issue for soccer as it has football and basketball. The last of the Covid athletes are winding down which will help - lots of 5th years moved around for grad school + an extra year.

Is less than 20% "many"?