Minimal playing time to stay?

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Some of those points will apply to all players, but that does not make it good advice. you have a skill for taking one sentence and implying all sorts of other things that allow you to continue to display your knowledge of this topic. A list of cliches is not good advice.

Not sure how you think kids get recruited but it's pretty much based on that list. A handful of kids from the state might have coaches drooling over them, but the rest have to put in the work. Stop implying it's easy.

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Not really. So few ever have a realistic shot at it. Sure more aspire and dream of it but it's pretty clear by U16 or so who the pro clubs are interested in. The rest are college bound if that's what they want. Otherwise the only differences are the boys process is slightly later than girls, there's a lot fewer D1 spots (100 fewer programs and more international players) and money(fewer scholarships to split across a roster)

And the fact that the top D1 programs are pulling from the MLS Academies (mostly). Top schools for D1 seem to be pulling mostly from ECNL - which has been the case for a while. Like I said earlier, if you understand the goals of the program at the schools you've identified, and you fit, it's mostly about stalking the staff and playing well in front of them. Coaches at those levels want to know you'll help the program and school - these coaches know they aren't at the top and there is very little change in the top 25 programs year over year, so the 2nd and 3rd tier programs know who they are and have goals accordingly. Holy Cross isn't going to become Duke anytime soon.

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And the fact that the top D1 programs are pulling from the MLS Academies (mostly). Top schools for D1 seem to be pulling mostly from ECNL - which has been the case for a while. Like I said earlier, if you understand the goals of the program at the schools you've identified, and you fit, it's mostly about stalking the staff and playing well in front of them. Coaches at those levels want to know you'll help the program and school - these coaches know they aren't at the top and there is very little change in the top 25 programs year over year, so the 2nd and 3rd tier programs know who they are and have goals accordingly. Holy Cross isn't going to become Duke anytime soon.

Very tough to get a decent men's D1 without MLSN. You almost need pro academy for top D1 programs. There's just too many players vying for fewer spots (between fewer teams and international players averaging 4-8 players, sometimes more, per roster). You need the credentials, the speed etc. Plenty of MLSN players don't even do D1 so think twice about giving up HS for Endicott. Boys ECNL is barely a thing for D1.

Girls the top dog is ECNL followed decently closely by GA. More rosters spots for women and internationals aren't much of a thing (yet?). The other leagues get a few players onto low level programs

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Not sure how you think kids get recruited but it's pretty much based on that list. A handful of kids from the state might have coaches drooling over them, but the rest have to put in the work. Stop implying it's easy.

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I am implying the opposite. the best way to be recruited is to be a standout. That requires putting in the work too no?

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Not really. So few ever have a realistic shot at it. Sure more aspire and dream of it but it's pretty clear by U16 or so who the pro clubs are interested in. The rest are college bound if that's what they want. Otherwise the only differences are the boys process is slightly later than girls, there's a lot fewer D1 spots (100 fewer programs and more international players) and money(fewer scholarships to split across a roster)

Those are huge differences. There is a more objective talent based prescreen for boys that exists because of a real professional pathway and international competition. it forces more realistic discussion earlier. The girls' side does not have that objective filter. Parents play a much bigger role

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I am implying the opposite. the best way to be recruited is to be a standout. That requires putting in the work too no?

Those are table stakes.

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Would you pay school tuition and then expect your kid to automatically get the same grades as the other kids. You paid the same amount after all.

What kind of analogy is that? It is not about "grades". Yes, of course the grades are different and each kid should receive the grades they deserve. However they participate equal time to all school activities, and this is what I expect.I am not willing to fund your tuition just because your kid happens to be better...and I am not willing to participate in a team where my kids do not get equal time with the others. Period.

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Very tough to get a decent men's D1 without MLSN. You almost need pro academy for top D1 programs. There's just too many players vying for fewer spots (between fewer teams and international players averaging 4-8 players, sometimes more, per roster). You need the credentials, the speed etc. Plenty of MLSN players don't even do D1 so think twice about giving up HS for Endicott. Boys ECNL is barely a thing for D1.

Girls the top dog is ECNL followed decently closely by GA. More rosters spots for women and internationals aren't much of a thing (yet?). The other leagues get a few players onto low level programs

Very tough to get a decent men's D1 without MLSN?! I think you mean MLS Academy of MLSn ... or, be from a foreign country ... pick one!

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Very tough to get a decent men's D1 without MLSN?! I think you mean MLS Academy of MLSn ... or, be from a foreign country ... pick one!

MLS pro players get the top spots. Top stars from MLSN also get good spots. The rest mid to low D1 and obviously D2 and D3. A player considering pay to play MLSN should investigate where players from their local club wind up. There's definitely some clubs that aren't good with mediocre recruiting. Yes the competition in MLSN is strong but who your coach and teammates are also matter.

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Those are huge differences. There is a more objective talent based prescreen for boys that exists because of a real professional pathway and international competition. it forces more realistic discussion earlier. The girls' side does not have that objective filter. Parents play a much bigger role

To the posters point once you take those pro players out (and there are very few, in good year 2 from each pro club) all the rest of MLSN players aren't that different in this regard: they're all looking for places to play. You are right parents on the girls side are a different breed. Boys parents aren't usually as wound up by all it /a little more realistic

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I am implying the opposite. the best way to be recruited is to be a standout. That requires putting in the work too no?

You need to appeal to the coaches you've targeted. That doesn't mean you'll necessarily be a "standout " in any one game or on your roster. By it's definition standout means you're better than the rest. No one else would get recruited if that were the case.

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To the posters point once you take those pro players out (and there are very few, in good year 2 from each pro club) all the rest of MLSN players aren't that different in this regard: they're all looking for places to play. You are right parents on the girls side are a different breed. Boys parents aren't usually as wound up by all it /a little more realistic

I look at it this way: MLS Pro Academies release a lot of players at U17/19 and they take the majority of top D1 spots (especially those players that kept their grades up). The rest of D1, D2, D3 and NAIA are pretty much up for grabs and the league/platform doesn't mean as much as the work the player puts in to the recruitment process. Most players stay in the region they grew up in, so getting in front of those coaching staffs isn't really that hard, but you do have to work at it and then it comes down to that staffs interest (which is primarily your playing ability, grades and your desire to attend and graduate from that institution). The difference between the players that don't make the Pros/High D1 programs really isn't that much, regardless of where they end up.

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I look at it this way: MLS Pro Academies release a lot of players at U17/19 and they take the majority of top D1 spots (especially those players that kept their grades up). The rest of D1, D2, D3 and NAIA are pretty much up for grabs and the league/platform doesn't mean as much as the work the player puts in to the recruitment process. Most players stay in the region they grew up in, so getting in front of those coaching staffs isn't really that hard, but you do have to work at it and then it comes down to that staffs interest (which is primarily your playing ability, grades and your desire to attend and graduate from that institution). The difference between the players that don't make the Pros/High D1 programs really isn't that much, regardless of where they end up.

well put. the filters become pretty efficient when real money is on the line and people are accountable for failure based on soccer. girls' game has none of that. the better they think you are, the earlier they lower the bar by shifting you to better teams that face weaker competition most of the time. it becomes more about how you look beating up on poor teams than it does about playing equal competition and excelling. The payoffs are skewed to being good early.

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well put. the filters become pretty efficient when real money is on the line and people are accountable for failure based on soccer. girls' game has none of that. the better they think you are, the earlier they lower the bar by shifting you to better teams that face weaker competition most of the time. it becomes more about how you look beating up on poor teams than it does about playing equal competition and excelling. The payoffs are skewed to being good early.

doesn't help that there's more spots and money for girls. all those dads think their emily will get a full ride. they get a little crazy over it all

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doesn't help that there's more spots and money for girls. all those dads think their emily will get a full ride. they get a little crazy over it all

If you really want Emily to get an athletic scholarship, get her into golf (6 per team at D1 and 249 programs) with way fewer girls trying to get those spots. You may have to live in Norman, OK but hey, you could be a D1 athlete :)