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would agree with BTDT that to be a NT player that a certain level of athleticism, genetics (height/size), and inner drive is absolutely needed but having the right coach that is focused on development, private training, parents involvement and playing in a challenging environment/league
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThe above is probably pretty accurate for "soccer" but not all positions on the soccer field are "soccer". Some roles on the team are unidimensional or can be unidimensional if that dimension is executed well enough. Football has it's place-kickers; baseball has its DHs; basketball has its 3-point artists; soccer has its strikers and keepers. You could never play a game in your life and yet become very proficient at those positions through personal training. You can take all of the "complicated recipe" stuff out of the picture as greatness in those roles is far less reliant on club coach.
What happens to your trained puppy when he's surrounded by defenders, there's a 6'3" keeper with a 7' wingspan ready to charge out at him if he manages to extricate himself from the pile, he's getting bumped and shoved and grabbed, there's a center back who's just as big and just as fast and has been mauling strikers since he was 8 years old competing for the ball? How's he going to learn to figure out when to play the ball wide, layoff and spin, or find an open teammate?
You're going to train your keeper to make saves, right? What happens when your Hopeless Soloist has to track an incoming cross with defenders and attackers all around her, or there are two attackers about to beat a single defender and she has to make choices about when to come off her line and how to reduce the attackers' options?
You may want to re-think your extreme position.
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would agree with BTDT that to be a NT player that a certain level of athleticism, genetics (height/size), and inner drive is absolutely needed but having the right coach that is focused on development, private training, parents involvement and playing in a challenging environment/league is also needed.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostLet me ask you this question. Lionel Messi went to Barcelona at age 13. If he had come to the US instead to play for DC United as did soccer phenom Freddy Adu, do you think he would have become the player that he is or do you think he'd end up like Freddy?
At any rate, Freddy is a perfect example of coaching leading a player to a failure path. Immense talent that went nowhere. Think there was a difference in the way Barca brought Leo along? Had Freddy gone to Barca you would be seeing a very different player today. I feel like you are making the OPs point better than he did. Maybe you are him in disguise?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSo a good trainer, a few cones, and an empty net are all that you need to turn a talented athlete into a proficient striker? Holy f_____g g0d are you a moron.
What happens to your trained puppy when he's surrounded by defenders, there's a 6'3" keeper with a 7' wingspan ready to charge out at him if he manages to extricate himself from the pile, he's getting bumped and shoved and grabbed, there's a center back who's just as big and just as fast and has been mauling strikers since he was 8 years old competing for the ball? How's he going to learn to figure out when to play the ball wide, layoff and spin, or find an open teammate?
You're going to train your keeper to make saves, right? What happens when your Hopeless Soloist has to track an incoming cross with defenders and attackers all around her, or there are two attackers about to beat a single defender and she has to make choices about when to come off her line and how to reduce the attackers' options?
You may want to re-think your extreme position.
The statement was that one could become "extremely proficient" at those positions without the level of team and coach interaction that is required by the other positions on the field. It does not imply that working out with your older brother and his friends in the backyard is a path to the NT.
The takeaway is that not all positions on the field require the same level of club / coach input into the mix. There are many places for a keeper to play without taking a hit to her chances of reaching the next level. Would anyone say the same of a central player? Every position on the field can't have EXACTLY the same sensitivity to this factor, can it? Let's be honest, keepers aren't even soccer players - they are keepers. Is a placekicker a football player? Is a coxswain a rower? We love them but let's be honest.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSettle down, hotshot.
The statement was that one could become "extremely proficient" at those positions without the level of team and coach interaction that is required by the other positions on the field. It does not imply that working out with your older brother and his friends in the backyard is a path to the NT.
The takeaway is that not all positions on the field require the same level of club / coach input into the mix. There are many places for a keeper to play without taking a hit to her chances of reaching the next level. Would anyone say the same of a central player? Every position on the field can't have EXACTLY the same sensitivity to this factor, can it? Let's be honest, keepers aren't even soccer players - they are keepers. Is a placekicker a football player? Is a coxswain a rower? We love them but let's be honest.
So keepers dont have to know the game or how to receive or give a pass, kick etc. I get it.
/lost a few cells responding to this person
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostLet me ask you this question. Lionel Messi went to Barcelona at age 13. If he had come to the US instead to play for DC United as did soccer phenom Freddy Adu, do you think he would have become the player that he is or do you think he'd end up like Freddy?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Postwould agree with BTDT that to be a NT player that a certain level of athleticism, genetics (height/size), and inner drive is absolutely needed but having the right coach that is focused on development, private training, parents involvement and playing in a challenging environment/league
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWouldn't you want to use an example where one of the subjects did not become a highly paid professional soccer player?
At any rate, Freddy is a perfect example of coaching leading a player to a failure path. Immense talent that went nowhere. Think there was a difference in the way Barca brought Leo along? Had Freddy gone to Barca you would be seeing a very different player today. I feel like you are making the OPs point better than he did. Maybe you are him in disguise?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostBad example. One has a crazy amount of talent; the other was a good athlete. And I won't even get into how old he really is
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Top tier players learn quickly. After being taught something new, they get it and almost instantly and perform it at speed. If not, they don't want to quit until they get it. Every player has certain challenges to overcome, but the ones that succeed overcome them.
Players learn from others (coaches), and they learn from themselves (competing). What you get back is what you put into the process.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostTop tier players learn quickly. After being taught something new, they get it and almost instantly and perform it at speed. If not, they don't want to quit until they get it. Every player has certain challenges to overcome, but the ones that succeed overcome them.
Players learn from others (coaches), and they learn from themselves (competing). What you get back is what you put into the process.
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