With the first batch of rankings to come out any surprises?
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Not really, Its a mathematical equation it’s is what it is. I’m sure people will come on here and complain.
The best thing is it shows that a undefeated team doesn’t always mean they are the best team. I think it’s will humble some teams/parents that think their team is good just because they played crap teams. -
How are teams in the top 32 with 1-2 wins????Comment
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Can someone educate me a bit on these power rankings? We're new to HS. There's obviously a ton of questions, so I'll just start with one and see how it goes.
Could our teams ranking improve if we lose 1-0 for example against a team in a higher division, versus winning 1-0 against a team in our division?Comment
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from strength of schedule, try to learn the process before complaining. I bet youre the parent yelling about offsides and dont even know what it isOriginally posted by Guest View PostComment
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Ok sure strength of schedule to a Degree. There are undefeated teams below the top 32 in the D1 rankings and teams in the top 32 with significantly losing records. How strong are these other teams schedules, it's not like they're out there playing BC or BU.Originally posted by Guest View PostComment
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A better way to put it is that a team's RATING (and thus ranking) could improve if they lose 1-0 against a much higher rated team [which should have beaten them by more], versus winning 1-0 against a team against a slightly lower rated team [which they should have beaten by more]. It's similar to beating the spread. (Except that spreads are influenced by money flows and subjective calls. These ratings are just math.)Originally posted by Guest View Post
The idea is that each team has a mathematically-derived RATING based on the game results against the teams they've played. The "Margin of Victory" and the Opponents ranking are taken into account. The numerical RATING is used to determine the RANKING by division. So Division 2 #1 ranked in the 9/30 list is Oliver Ames, rated at 4.5697. That would rank them about 6th if they were ranked with the Division 1 teams.
"League and division do not factor into the rating formula."
"MOV awards the losing team with more points for being within the margin of victory"
"MOV awards winning team with more points for a larger win"
MOV is capped at 3 for soccer, "taking into consideration sportsmanship and the likely scores for the given sport"
Why is Margin of Victory important?
In the MIAA we have leagues varying in number of teams, number of divisions and strength of teams. Most MIAA schools do not create schedules independently but are provided a league schedule for each sport. If a school is in a league where there is a large and small conference break out, cross over games add to the difficulty of a fair rating formula. The differing status of leagues within the MIAA structure can pose challenges to fair and equitable rating of teams.
Power Rankings
https://miaa.net/power-rankings/
Explanation of Power Rating system - applies to other sports so keep that in mind if you read it
https://miaa.net/wp-content/uploads/...ing-system.pdf
How it applies to 2022-2023 Tournaments see p2-3
https://miaa.net/wp-content/uploads/...2-2023_FAQ.pdf
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That should actually say "winning 1-0 against a team against a ̶s̶l̶i̶g̶h̶t̶l̶y̶ much lower rated team," that is, not getting the margin they should have.Comment
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You just got to laugh at some of these uneducated post - There is no such thing as offsides in Soccer. Hockey yes, but in soccer its called offside. If you don't even know the simplest terms of the sport you shouldn't be commenting on a soccer blog. You cant fix stupidComment
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Could you real that to the Premier League - can't believe they keep an Offsides Stat - Geez!Originally posted by Guest View Post
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/playersComment
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I assume you are talking about the girls rankings. Here is an example using #28 Wachusett Regional (1-5-2) and #45 Medford (8-2-0).Originally posted by Guest View Post
Wachusett Regional's results
Medford's ResultsTeam Opponent GF GA Opp Record Opp Rank Opp Rating Wachusett Shrewsbury 0 1 5-1-2 #15 Div 1 3.3686 Wachusett Nashoba 0 1 3-4-1 #25 Div 2 2.2200 Wachusett Lincoln-Sudbury 0 0 3-2-2 #23 Div 1 2.8365 Wachusett Tantasqua 0 3 7-0-2 #6 Div 3 2.9973 Wachusett Minnechaug 0 1 6-1-0 #5 Div 2 3.6695 Wachusett Westborough 0 0 6-0-2 #9 Div 2 3.1500 Wachusett Leominster 4 0 6-4-0 #27 Div 2 1.1990 Wachusett Westborough 0 1 6-0-2 #9 Div 2 3.1500
Without knowing anything about either team, I would say these rankings make sense. Wachusett is playing better competition and is in every game. Wachusett's opponent's are a combined 42-12-11 while Medford's are a combined 31-40-6. Also overall Medford's opponents are weaker teams.Team Opponent GF GA Opp Record Opp Rank Opp Rating Medford Revere 4 0 3-3-2 #53 Div 3 -0.9981 Medford Everett 6 2 3-4-1 #54 Div 1 -2.368 Medford Waltham 0 2 5-2-0 #33 Div 1 1.7821 Medford Quincy 1 2 2-4-0 #53 Div 2 -0.0421 Medford Lynn English 5 0 1-7-0 #57 Div 1 -4.1948 Medford Lynn Classical 1 0 6-2-0 #47 Div 1 -0.3191 Medford Malden 5 0 3-6-0 #56 Div 1 -3.2351 Medford Somerville 3 1 5-2-1 #56 Div 2 -1.0135 Medford Chelsea 5 0 0-7-0 #62 Div 2 -4.7398 Medford Revere 3 0 3-3-2 #53 Div 3 -0.9981
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Makes sense.
IMO people should also look at these as approximations or having a margin of error, especially when based on a small number of games. The rating calculations are done out to many decimal places, I assume that’s only to make sure there aren’t ties when the tournaments need to be seeded.Comment
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Easy to figure it out. The top rated teams have a tough schedule and when they do player a much weaker team, they take care of business and blow them out. Which isn’t cool as far as sportsmanship but the MIAA made it that day. So gotta mold your season by their guidelines unfortunately. If you’re gonna mix in cupcake teams into your schedule you better be sure you can beat them by 3 or more. If not you’re better off playing powerhouses and trying to keep the games within 3 goals win lose or tie. Plusses and minuses to that? The strength of schedule component is 100% solid. But Margin of Victory is just foolish. Eliminate MOV with straight winning %. That with SOS is the perfect formula.Comment
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Goal differential reward is capped at 3, which isn’t embarrassing to the other team. No issues with sportsmanship there as far as most view it.Originally posted by Guest View PostComment
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