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Never once have they said vaccines stop the spread, although vaccinated infected people shed far less virus than infected unvaccinated people. The vaccine will keep you from getting a serious case and out of the hospital. Clearly you haven't ben paying attention for the last year.

Stop the Spread | CDC

What's the name of this site? Who is it from?
The various messages on the site include this exact text "Get vaccinated when it’s available to you. These actions can help protect you and your loved ones during the COVID-19 pandemic."

I get that that it lists multiple actions (wear mask, 6 ft, get vaxed, etc) and multiple outcomes (protect you, and your loved ones) providing a defensible claim that CDC never specifically said Vaxes alone stop the spread.
But it is you my good friend that is not paying attention if you think the vax evangelists are not invoking variants of "because it protects others" to implore everyone to get vaccinated.

I 100% agree that Covid vaccines have proven to be effective and acceptably safe. I also most certainly agree that the mRNA vaccines are designed to prepare the body's a response to Covid. There is scant evidence that one's level of symptoms directly correlates to spread. Has it been proven that asymptomatic people present no threat of spread? Until that is known and proven, it is therefore just plain wrong - factually and morally - to mandate that anyone get a vaccine. It has to be a personal choice. It is a choice I recommend and one that I adopted myself, but that was my decision. Informed consent is not something to walk away from lightly

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^ infected but vaccinated people are less contagious than unvaccinated ones. So yes, it does help lessen the spread. The vaccines, however, were never built to stop you from getting it altogether.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...ss-contagious/

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Step too far. Choices don’t disqualify you from services. Just disqualifies me from caring about your well being.

Lets stop treating overweight people with diabetes, or smokers with cancer… all choices. Not treating unvaccinated is stupid and un-American. We treat all comers, regardless of insurance, race, religion, etc….next time a fat guy has a heart attack what he eats before treating him.

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^ infected but vaccinated people are less contagious than unvaccinated ones. So yes, it does help lessen the spread. The vaccines, however, were never built to stop you from getting it altogether.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...ss-contagious/

Do you just read the headlines, or did you read the study?.
Glaring in that article is that the study was limited to 173 NBA players. Even the authors discount it on that alone, but it serves as great evidence that we just don't know because it is so hard and very expensive to test and identify the infectious period. but let's continue.

HERE is what is says "This finding suggests that people with breakthrough infections may be as infectious as unvaccinated people in the early stage of their infection"
So ignoring the fact that study use words like "suggests" and "may be" as further evidence that we still don't know, let's take the findings as informative. They found no difference in spread between vaxed and unvaxed during the early stages of infection. This is the most critical stage since most people are not being tested every day, especially during the early stages when they are asymptomatic (unlike the NBA players who were tested). Furthermore, this study only measured presence of the virus and didn't conduct any contract tracing nor measurements on transmission. It is working off the hypothesis that viral load is directly related to transmission risk. From this point it goes on to say that "those with breakthrough infections are infectious for a shorter period and therefore less likely to transmit the disease to others over time." A stated earlier there is no study on actual transmission and there is no insight on what load constitutes high, med, or low risk. It simply states that unvaxed took 7.5 days to clear and vaxed took 5.5. For anyone in a 10-day quarantine those 2 days don't really matter.

As stated earlier, I have yet to see a quality, peer reviewed - what's that word Dr Fauci? Double-Blind, yes thank you - set of studies (not just one) that proves vaccines impact transmission. to the contrary basic observation suggests Omicron is spreading in highly vaxed populations.
Which brings us back to informed consent and personal choice.

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I can't wait to go to Florida. Lakewood Ranch Here I come. Less than 3 days to kickoff

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I know this is not soccer, but since we are discussing it, I have a serious question for the group:

I understand the 'my choice' argument about vaccine mandates, however, in making that choice, what are the reasons that people are deciding not to take the vaccine?

Please give me serious answers, I don't need an unhelpful response like 'because they're a stupid redneck'.

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Flights in and out of Florida are being canceled by the hundreds. Enjoy your extended stay in the state of "Florida Man" jokes.

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Flights in and out of Florida are being canceled by the hundreds. Enjoy your extended stay in the state of "Florida Man" jokes.

Oh no! I have to spend another day or two in warmer weather. Oh no!

If I can't stand another day of sunshine on my unmasked face, I wonder if all the rental cars and gas stations along the east coast are closed down too?

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Flights in and out of Florida are being canceled by the hundreds. Enjoy your extended stay in the state of "Florida Man" jokes.

Pretty sure all of the DPL and ECNL-R teams made it to their destinations.

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More players (or family members) on our team tested positive. I bet if everyone took a rapid test, it would show even more are actually positive.

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More players (or family members) on our team tested positive. I bet if everyone took a rapid test, it would show even more are actually positive.

Oh yes cause let’s just take a test for the hell of it. If you don’t feel good stay home.

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Oh yes cause let’s just take a test for the hell of it. If you don’t feel good stay home.

That is exactly the wrong attitude. Asymptomatic spread is a concern. You are potentially infecting the rest of your team, not to mention other vulnerable people (even if they are vaxxed) during your travels.

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Oh yes cause let’s just take a test for the hell of it. If you don’t feel good stay home.

Let me ask you a question, since you are so cavalier. If you felt completely fine, but did take a test and were positive, would you still go?

This is exactly the point of having rapid in-home tests available. That you can get a read before you go out and do things that involve other people.

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Let me ask you a question, since you are so cavalier. If you felt completely fine, but did take a test and were positive, would you still go?

This is exactly the point of having rapid in-home tests available. That you can get a read before you go out and do things that involve other people.

Literally there isn’t anywhere you can get a rapid test in my area. Maybe if they made them easily available I would. Also keep living in fear. The virus now is like a common cold. Get over it.

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Literally there isn’t anywhere you can get a rapid test in my area. Maybe if they made them easily available I would. Also keep living in fear. The virus now is like a common cold. Get over it.

I haven't walked into a Walgreens and not found a test. Look harder lazy.