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    I agree with the Stars poster who laments how in the world superb results by any measure can be twisted by btdt and his cronies into the opposite. The results are sensational, honestly, but these folks are relentless and never concede even the most obvious points. Nor do they counter with better data from their own clubs. And they refuse to answer, repeatedly, whether they are really saying no kids such play for either of the top two clubs.

    One very interesting trend to highlight in the recent attack onslaught... btdt and others focus on things like the clubs shouldn't be given the credit and some of the kids join late, etc, etc. They point out (on the surface correctly) that the big-time players would have succeeded anywhere and they use this to discredit. This just happened with the RI Scorps U17 girls on another thread. But here's the thing, or one of the things: those players chose Stars or Scorps for some reason. You can't on the one hand talk about how brilliant they are academically and superior athletically and then claim that they got scammed. Why did these great players who also have the academics to go Ivy or other top academic and athletic D1s choose these clubs??? They had any choice open to them. Especially when these clubs in some instances aren't even convenient. What is tiring is btdt's insistence on not being even marginally fair. It's a shame to cast shadows and totally misrepresent a high level of success when it happens.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Looking at the entire team span speaks to the whole process. When you think about it, no one should be crowing about success when you are turning rosters over 2 and 3 times over the span of a team's life because that shows that there were many more failures. It also helps define more clearly what that success really is.. being at the right place at the right time.
      Truly idiotic.

      Still waiting on the NEFC "elite" costs....

      Still waiting to hear if NEFC "elite" teams have any turnover from U11 to U14 and U15 to U18...

      Surely, as very educated people as I'm sure you are, you are more than willing to use the same metrics on your own clubs that you use to deflate and distort the data outcomes of your competitors.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Truly idiotic.

        Still waiting on the NEFC "elite" costs....

        Still waiting to hear if NEFC "elite" teams have any turnover from U11 to U14 and U15 to U18...

        Surely, as very educated people as I'm sure you are, you are more than willing to use the same metrics on your own clubs that you use to deflate and distort the data outcomes of your competitors.
        You are fighting with your imaginary enemy again. I'm really enjoying you bashing away at specific teams and people just because you don't agree with something and THINK you know who posted it. Too funny.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          the u18 stars ecnl team cited earlier did not turn over the roster 2-3 times. maybe other teams have, but they didn't. yet they placed 19 of 21 girls in d1 programs. 1 to d2 champs st rose, and 1 to d3 williams. clearly these girls were at the right place at the right time...
          Bet those girls would have gotten to the same place if they were on another team. Club doesn't matter near as much as is being portrayed.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Bet those girls would have gotten to the same place if they were on another team. Club doesn't matter near as much as is being portrayed.
            Thanks btdt. Don't think anyone said the club mattered that much. Just wondering why they all chose to play for that club, and maybe you give the club a little club since it is unmatched and you could make your point about any club.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              You are fighting with your imaginary enemy again. I'm really enjoying you bashing away at specific teams and people just because you don't agree with something and THINK you know who posted it. Too funny.
              How about this. You don't worry yourself about whether you are btdt or not. Just answer a few of the questions that are posed to you. Or did I miss your answer above?

              Just in case, here they are again....

              Still waiting on the NEFC "elite" costs....

              Still waiting to hear if NEFC "elite" teams have any turnover from U11 to U14 and U15 to U18...

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Thanks btdt. Don't think anyone said the club mattered that much. Just wondering why they all chose to play for that club, and maybe you give the club a little club since it is unmatched and you could make your point about any club.
                I mean give a little credit....

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Thanks btdt. Don't think anyone said the club mattered that much. Just wondering why they all chose to play for that club, and maybe you give the club a little club since it is unmatched and you could make your point about any club.
                  This song is about you. Want you to know that you are tilting at windmills. I am enjoying baiting you. Have a great day.

                  CERVANTES
                  May I set the stage? I shall impersonate a man.
                  Come, enter into my imagination and see him!
                  His name... Alonso Quijana... a country squire,
                  no longer young... bony, hollow-faced... eyes
                  that burn with the fire of inner vision. Being
                  retired, he has much time for books. He studies
                  them from morn to night and often through the
                  night as well. And all he reads oppresses him...
                  fills him with indignation at man's murderous
                  ways toward man. And he conceives the strangest
                  project ever imagined... to become a knight-errant
                  and sally forth into the world to right all
                  wrongs. No longer shall he be plain Alonso Quijana...
                  but a dauntless knight known as -
                  Don Quixote de La Mancha!

                  DON QUIXOTE
                  Hear me now
                  Oh thou bleak and unbearable world,
                  Thou art base and debauched as can be;
                  And a knight with his banners all bravely unfurled
                  Now hurls down his gauntlet to thee!
                  I am I, Don Quixote,
                  The Lord of La Mancha, þ
                  My destiny calls and I go,
                  And the wild winds of fortune
                  Will carry me onward,
                  Oh whithersoever they blow.
                  Whithersoever they blow,
                  Onward to glory I go!

                  SANCHO PANZA
                  I'm Sancho! Yes, I'm Sancho!
                  I'll follow my master till the end.
                  I'll tell all the world proudly
                  I'm his squire! I'm his friend!

                  DON QUIXOTE
                  Hear me, heathens and wizards
                  And serpents of sin!
                  All your dastardly doings are past,
                  For a holy endeavor is now to begin
                  And virtue shall triumph at last!

                  (Don Quixote and Sancho Panza mount their horses and set out along a road)

                  DON QUIXOTE
                  I am I, Don Quixote,
                  The Lord of la Mancha,
                  My destiny calls and I go,
                  And the wild winds of fortune
                  Will carry me onward,
                  Oh whithersoever they blow!
                  SANCHO
                  I'm Sancho! Yes, I'm Sancho!
                  I'll follow my master till the end.
                  I'll tell all the world proudly
                  I'm his squire! I'm his friend!

                  DON QUIXOTE, SANCHO
                  Whithersoever they blow,
                  Onward to glory I {we} go!

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                    Too funny!!!. Now is Fred Marks Don Quixote de La Mancha and Jason Dewhurst Sancho Panchez or is it vice versus?

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                      Here is a little chum for Don Quixote from another thread. A Scorpions promoter had essentially been claiming that RI soccer is so weak that all of their talent has to come to Mass to get discovered. The response is very juicey.

                      This actually makes sense as most of RI's most talented female players played most of their club career in Massachusetts.

                      If you look at RI's top seniors this year, almost all of them played for Scorps, MPS, or Stars. While there is still some RI talent playing for Mass teams at younger age groups - it's more like 1-2 per age group as opposed to the 5-6 per age group that this years seniors represent.

                      Maybe the Mass appeal has lost its luster.
                      I think now you might be on to something....I also think that the Scorps U17 elite should be thanking Little Rhody for the RI talent they are "using" for so much of their sales pitch. And FYI all you frantic bandwagon ECNL-ers: the twins were going wherever they wanted whether they played ECNL or not. They are off the charts smart and could and would have gone where they wanted without any help from Scorps or ECNL. They just happen to be as driven athletically (soccer and track), as they are academically. PS, they were "developed" until age about age 15 in RI by RI coaching. For all you tiger moms trying to replicate....good luck with that. MA is overrated, my daughter is staying here

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                        can't you guys give an ecnl team any credit? scorps u17 is one of the best teams in the country. good enough to entice a couple star players from rhodie. congrats to scorps and the twins. they deserve it! see. nothing bad happened.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          This song is about you. Want you to know that you are tilting at windmills. I am enjoying baiting you. Have a great day.

                          CERVANTES
                          May I set the stage? I shall impersonate a man.
                          Come, enter into my imagination and see him!
                          His name... Alonso Quijana... a country squire,
                          no longer young... bony, hollow-faced... eyes
                          that burn with the fire of inner vision. Being
                          retired, he has much time for books. He studies
                          them from morn to night and often through the
                          night as well. And all he reads oppresses him...
                          fills him with indignation at man's murderous
                          ways toward man. And he conceives the strangest
                          project ever imagined... to become a knight-errant
                          and sally forth into the world to right all
                          wrongs. No longer shall he be plain Alonso Quijana...
                          but a dauntless knight known as -
                          Don Quixote de La Mancha!

                          DON QUIXOTE
                          Hear me now
                          Oh thou bleak and unbearable world,
                          Thou art base and debauched as can be;
                          And a knight with his banners all bravely unfurled
                          Now hurls down his gauntlet to thee!
                          I am I, Don Quixote,
                          The Lord of La Mancha, þ
                          My destiny calls and I go,
                          And the wild winds of fortune
                          Will carry me onward,
                          Oh whithersoever they blow.
                          Whithersoever they blow,
                          Onward to glory I go!

                          SANCHO PANZA
                          I'm Sancho! Yes, I'm Sancho!
                          I'll follow my master till the end.
                          I'll tell all the world proudly
                          I'm his squire! I'm his friend!

                          DON QUIXOTE
                          Hear me, heathens and wizards
                          And serpents of sin!
                          All your dastardly doings are past,
                          For a holy endeavor is now to begin
                          And virtue shall triumph at last!

                          (Don Quixote and Sancho Panza mount their horses and set out along a road)

                          DON QUIXOTE
                          I am I, Don Quixote,
                          The Lord of la Mancha,
                          My destiny calls and I go,
                          And the wild winds of fortune
                          Will carry me onward,
                          Oh whithersoever they blow!
                          SANCHO
                          I'm Sancho! Yes, I'm Sancho!
                          I'll follow my master till the end.
                          I'll tell all the world proudly
                          I'm his squire! I'm his friend!

                          DON QUIXOTE, SANCHO
                          Whithersoever they blow,
                          Onward to glory I {we} go!
                          Harvard, Yale, UCLA, Georgetown, Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, UNC, Maryland, Colgate, UConn, UMass, Williams, Johns Hopkins, Amherst, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Tufts, Lehigh, BC, BC, BC, BC, BC, BU, Notre Dame, Elon, Villanova...

                          Still waiting on the NEFC "elite" costs....

                          Still waiting to hear if NEFC "elite" teams have any turnover from U11 to U14 and U15 to U18...

                          UCLA vs MCLA....you make the call.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Here is a little chum for Don Quixote from another thread. A Scorpions promoter had essentially been claiming that RI soccer is so weak that all of their talent has to come to Mass to get discovered. The response is very juicey.
                            Don't think I would call that post from other thread juicy (no 'e' buddy).

                            Like already noted, why would players so smart and so talented who didn't need Scorps or Stars go anyway? Are these very smart and very sophisticated folks unaware of what they are doing?

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              can't you guys give an ecnl team any credit? scorps u17 is one of the best teams in the country. good enough to entice a couple star players from rhodie. congrats to scorps and the twins. they deserve it! see. nothing bad happened.
                              here's a thought--maybe its the talented players and their capable coaches rather than the league they play in. just sayin...

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                here's a thought--maybe its the talented players and their capable coaches rather than the league they play in. just sayin...
                                No kidding. They were the two best girls teams in New England by a mile long before ECNL.

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