The ECNL Sales Pitch - Fact or Fiction

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Different strokes for different folks.. sitting on the bench is sitting on the bench and don't make it like your daughter is playing all their games against Spain now less we all puke..

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When she lacked drive, she lacked, to borrow your phrase, "the body". Even though she had superior vision, skills and technique, she was overlooked by ODP evaluators. She luckily wasn't overlooked by a top club, and the competition to earn playing time and play well drove her to work on all aspects of her game so much that she landed at a D1 program.

oh please, please tell us which one so all of us can turn the tables on you and make the value judgement about your choices

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Different strokes for different folks.. sitting on the bench is sitting on the bench and don't make it like your daughter is playing all their games against Spain now less we all puke..

Not Spain. Mostly Japan and Brazil.

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$2000 - Teem fee (includes team fund)
$1500 - ODP
$2400 ($1200 x 2 - Distance Tournaments -$650 air, $250 hotel, $150 car, $100 meals, $50 gas & tolls)
$2000 ($500 x 4 - Local Tournaments - $250 hotel, $100 meals, $150 gas & tolls)
$1300 ($50 x 26 - Private trainer)
$650 ($25 x 26 - Conditioning coach)
$250 - Uniforms and equipment
$1300 ($50 x 26 - Gas and tolls)
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$11,400

Slice, dice and throw out all you want. It adds up and it sure aint a drop in the bucket.

Completely unresponsive to the post and you maintained your record of 100% non-responsiveness to very simple questions posed to you that you just prefer to avoid at all costs, while spewing a bunch of mumbo-jumbo.

As for fees, I'm sure the total for NEFC is around $25 a year. And I'm also sure NEFC gets a waiver on all tolls. How many times could you count tolls in one post???

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oh please, please tell us which one so all of us can turn the tables on you and make the value judgement about your choices

Not a chance.

Besides, the college and club teams that were the right fit for my daughter aren't necessarily the correct ones for everyone else.

The trick is to find the level that is fun and challenges your child, without discouraging them. And there's always a challenge somewhere. Even if they are on a top team and in the RT or NT pool, not pushed sufficiently in practice, they can find a challenge by practicing with boys or playing in an adult womens league.

Not playing gets discouraging real quick. Teams that roster over 18 players, or which toss unqualified kids on the roster for income, are setting themselves up for trouble.

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$2000 - Teem fee (includes team fund)
$1500 - ODP
$2400 ($1200 x 2 - Distance Tournaments -$650 air, $250 hotel, $150 car, $100 meals, $50 gas & tolls)
$2000 ($500 x 4 - Local Tournaments - $250 hotel, $100 meals, $150 gas & tolls)
$1300 ($50 x 26 - Private trainer)
$650 ($25 x 26 - Conditioning coach)
$250 - Uniforms and equipment
$1300 ($50 x 26 - Gas and tolls)
______
$11,400

Slice, dice and throw out all you want. It adds up and it sure aint a drop in the bucket.

these costs are a decent estimate, close enough to apply to any of the eastern mass teams, and kids from type "a" families that do odp and private training. even knocking out these the cost is just shy of $8,000....real money.

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$2000 - Teem fee (includes team fund)
$1500 - ODP
$2400 ($1200 x 2 - Distance Tournaments -$650 air, $250 hotel, $150 car, $100 meals, $50 gas & tolls)
$2000 ($500 x 4 - Local Tournaments - $250 hotel, $100 meals, $150 gas & tolls)
$1300 ($50 x 26 - Private trainer)
$650 ($25 x 26 - Conditioning coach)
$250 - Uniforms and equipment
$1300 ($50 x 26 - Gas and tolls)
______
$11,400

Slice, dice and throw out all you want. It adds up and it sure aint a drop in the bucket.

How do you for one second try to imply ODP, private training and a conditioning coach have anything to do with ECNL expenses? Do you feel your argument is so weak if you stick to facts that you have to embelish everything you post?

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$2000 - Teem fee (includes team fund)
$1500 - ODP
$2400 ($1200 x 2 - Distance Tournaments -$650 air, $250 hotel, $150 car, $100 meals, $50 gas & tolls)
$2000 ($500 x 4 - Local Tournaments - $250 hotel, $100 meals, $150 gas & tolls)
$1300 ($50 x 26 - Private trainer)
$650 ($25 x 26 - Conditioning coach)
$250 - Uniforms and equipment
$1300 ($50 x 26 - Gas and tolls)
______
$11,400

Slice, dice and throw out all you want. It adds up and it sure aint a drop in the bucket.

You are not an educated consumer and it seems you will always overpay for everything in your life. Once on a high level team , ODP is not a necessary option. We dropped that last year. Early bookings for Chicago got us very cheap airfare and car. (Air=$250.00 rt) Half the amt. for gas and tolls. Why have a private trainer and a conditioning coach? Our clubs coach is included in the club fee . (About $2000.00) Local games or tournaments are just that. Driving distance. No hotel stays required. Don't you eat when you are home? We are usually able to get a room with a fridge and can usually have our breakfast in the room or , this year, our hotels had free breakfast. You need to become a better shopper.

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You are not an educated consumer and it seems you will always overpay for everything in your life. Once on a high level team , ODP is not a necessary option. We dropped that last year. Early bookings for Chicago got us very cheap airfare and car. (Air=$250.00 rt) Half the amt. for gas and tolls. Why have a private trainer and a conditioning coach? Our clubs coach is included in the club fee . (About $2000.00) Local games or tournaments are just that. Driving distance. No hotel stays required. Don't you eat when you are home? We are usually able to get a room with a fridge and can usually have our breakfast in the room or , this year, our hotels had free breakfast. You need to become a better shopper.

So is this closer to your ECNL costs for the year?

$2000 - Team fee (includes team fund + uniforms)
$1800 ($900 x 2 - Distance Tournaments -$500 air + car, $275 hotel, $100 meals, $25 gas & tolls)
$200 ($50 x 4 - Local Tournaments - $25 meals, $25 gas & tolls)
$1200 misc gas, cleats, or 3rd distance tourney
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$5200

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You would think someone with a national pool/team player wouldn't need to post here, at least not so prolifically. Hard to imagine that parents of past and current similar
players are bothering to get lathered up about these things that most likely are of very little interest to them.

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Let's also remember how this whole thread started. Someone decided to make a huge polemic out of a perfectly reasonable and entirely factual (with nothing disparaging towards any other clubs) email advertisement. And yet, someone says he keeps posting to counter claims and arguments that in fact haven't been made except in his own imagination. He claims that he is responding to things that don't exist so that that he can appear to be just passively responding instead of the initiating and grossly distorting aggressor that is the truth. At least more folks are seeing through the whole charade in this most recent display.

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$2000 - Teem fee (includes team fund)
$1500 - ODP
$2400 ($1200 x 2 - Distance Tournaments -$650 air, $250 hotel, $150 car, $100 meals, $50 gas & tolls)
$2000 ($500 x 4 - Local Tournaments - $250 hotel, $100 meals, $150 gas & tolls)
$1300 ($50 x 26 - Private trainer)
$650 ($25 x 26 - Conditioning coach)
$250 - Uniforms and equipment
$1300 ($50 x 26 - Gas and tolls)
______
$11,400

Slice, dice and throw out all you want. It adds up and it sure aint a drop in the bucket.

I'm from another state, and I agree with this estimate. If parents travel with player to any tournament even a regional one, you can add $5,000 to this on an annual basis. You could even throw in another $1000 a year for college prospect camps in years Freshm - Junior year. And that is just two a year.

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now i'm really confused. we have a parent of a player from another state claiming the cost of upper echelon club soccer, should they travel with their child and send them to summer camps is $17,400 a year, while an ecnl parent travelling with their child totals $5,200.

that's a heck of a discrepancy.

what is it?

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Getting the majority of the good players on a single team is good for the team, and the players. The players get better, the team gets better and everyone gets more exposure.

The only people that deny this are those who stand to lose good players.

Putting on the uniform is not what makes them d1 caliber players. It is the players (as you pointed out earlier), the coaching, the competition and their teammates. Many players at u13 have the potential to be d1 players. If they don't have the right attitude, training and competition they will not make it.

For some reason you seem to think there is some magical genetic switch in players that determines they are d1 players - they are or they aren't. This is laughably wrong. Players with the potential to make it need to refine their skills from u13 to u18.

I have seen many a good players who drank the koolaid and went ECNL only to fade when their time on the field wasn't enough. These girls should be playing college, maybe at a lower ranked D1 school or D2/D3, but instead they lost motivation when they had to travel to a out of state ECNL tournament, only to get on the field five to ten minutes a game. I really don't think this is good for any player at a youth level...they need to be on the field at least twenty minutes a half in order to get momentum going to play decently. I think really the ECNL roster should be max 20, and then let the other players in a club get back to a regional premier level/state cup game and I think there would be less drama and better development for players. Look at the USDDA...they consolidate 15/16 and 17/18 so they are only picking the truly highest level. Clubs trying to expand a ECNL roster to 26 sounds more like college where most players (on average) don't see significant playing time until they are more veteran on the squad. It is just a disservice to any player who has to travel for their token five or ten minutes on the field. Much less sitting on the sidelines in shorts and sandals cuz the roster can only be 18.

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I'm from another state, and I agree with this estimate. If parents travel with player to any tournament even a regional one, you can add $5,000 to this on an annual basis. You could even throw in another $1000 a year for college prospect camps in years Freshm - Junior year. And that is just two a year.

Yeah, right. What state? And most of this has nothing to do with ECNL, unless you are now claiming only ECNL parents travel and pay tolls.