The ECNL Sales Pitch - Fact or Fiction

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you might want to reframe your arguments because you are not actually talking to btdt

Hahahaha.

At least 3 different posters just explained how wrong you are, and this is what you choose to focus on?

Whatever. You make the same pathetic arguments, project the same exact falsehoods, and exhibit the exact same avoidance of any information you can't answer or that would even marginally paint your foes in a positive light.

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Hahahaha.

At least 3 different posters just explained how wrong you are, and this is what you choose to focus on?

Whatever. You make the same pathetic arguments, project the same exact falsehoods, and exhibit the exact same avoidance of any information you can't answer or that would even marginally paint your foes in a positive light.

.. and several others have pointed out that you are completely misguiding the younger parents with your constant lobbying. Right now you don't have the talent in your clubs to be able to make the claims you are making.

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You are missing the point. No doubt that they have a couple of very very good players on a couple of their various teams. What they don't have is a younger team that is comparable to one of their older teams that is loaded with D1 talent at every position. After the rising Scorpions U18 team neither club has been able to piece together what anyone would consider a juggernaut team.

agreed. not yet. and these juggernaut teams, to borrow your phrase, are positive for mass soccer. they focus attention on the state and insure many more kids are placed in college programs than when the players remain disbursed.

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.. and several others have pointed out that you are completely misguiding the younger parents with your constant lobbying. Right now you don't have the talent in your clubs to be able to make the claims you are making.

but lets not ruin a good yarn shall we. If parents want to believe that by simply putting on a uniform their child will become a D1 prospect, let them. Anyone foolish enough to believe all of the rubbish these ECNL supporters are putting out deserves what they get.

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agreed. not yet. and these juggernaut teams, to borrow your phrase, are positive for mass soccer. they focus attention on the state and insure many more kids are placed in college programs than when the players remain disbursed.

Ding, ding, ding. Can we finally then categorize this debate as one big sales effort to entice the next batch of players to put on an ECNL patch.

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.. and several others have pointed out that you are completely misguiding the younger parents with your constant lobbying. Right now you don't have the talent in your clubs to be able to make the claims you are making.

rather than lobby for a specific club, i think it is important for people to realize a couple regional-nationally competitive teams at every age group raises the expectations and perception for the entire area. just because consolidation is positive for a specific team, doesn't mean it isn't a net positive for soccer in the entire area as well.

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Ding, ding, ding. Can we finally then categorize this debate as one big sales effort to entice the next batch of players to put on an ECNL patch.

you can keep trying to get us to believe only ecnl teams are pitching their wares, but nefc, mps, aztec, stars west, stars united, etc want the best kids possible wearing their garb. there are many teams attempting to lay claim to a strong, 2nd, r1 path.

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rather than lobby for a specific club, i think it is important for people to realize a couple regional-nationally competitive teams at every age group raises the expectations and perception for the entire area. just because consolidation is positive for a specific team, doesn't mean it isn't a net positive for soccer in the entire area as well.

The consolidation you are looking for is not going to happen because there are more choices than those earlier Stars/Scorpions era players had. Now you don't have to go to one specific team like those kids did in order to get exposure. The problem is the clubs are pushing the younger teams as though they still are loaded with similar talent when they clearly aren't.

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but lets not ruin a good yarn shall we. If parents want to believe that by simply putting on a uniform their child will become a D1 prospect, let them. Anyone foolish enough to believe all of the rubbish these ECNL supporters are putting out deserves what they get.

Getting the majority of the good players on a single team is good for the team, and the players. The players get better, the team gets better and everyone gets more exposure.

The only people that deny this are those who stand to lose good players.

Putting on the uniform is not what makes them d1 caliber players. It is the players (as you pointed out earlier), the coaching, the competition and their teammates. Many players at u13 have the potential to be d1 players. If they don't have the right attitude, training and competition they will not make it.

For some reason you seem to think there is some magical genetic switch in players that determines they are d1 players - they are or they aren't. This is laughably wrong. Players with the potential to make it need to refine their skills from u13 to u18.

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The consolidation you are looking for is not going to happen because there are more choices than those earlier Stars/Scorpions era players had. Now you don't have to go to one specific team like those kids did in order to get exposure. The problem is the clubs are pushing the younger teams as though they still are loaded with similar talent when they clearly aren't.

And our point is that this is a bad thing for all the players involved.

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Harvard, Yale, Georgetown, BC, UCLA, Maryland, Brown, Columbia, Williams, Amherst, Colgate, etc, etc. Numerous state cup titles, regional and national success year after year...numerous national and regional players.

Are those some of the facts I am making up??? Is that what you mean, btdt?

Would these be decent, 2nd choices if my kid cannot make a NEFC squad? Or, to repeat a question you refuse to answer, should no one ever play for the Stars or Scorps?

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And our point is that this is a bad thing for all the players involved.

Why, because they won't end up beholding to your clubs? Personally, neither of those clubs would be a good fit for our family so we see this as a good thing.

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Why, because they won't end up beholding to your clubs? Personally, neither of those clubs would be a good fit for our family so we see this as a good thing.

Getting the majority of the good players on a single team is good for the team, and the players. The players get better, the team gets better and everyone gets more exposure.

The only people that deny this are those who stand to lose good players.

Putting on the uniform is not what makes them d1 caliber players. It is the players (as you pointed out earlier), the coaching, the competition and their teammates. Many players at u13 have the potential to be d1 players. If they don't have the right attitude, training and competition they will not make it.

For some reason you seem to think there is some magical genetic switch in players that determines they are d1 players - they are or they aren't. This is laughably wrong. Players with the potential to make it need to refine their skills from u13 to u18.

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Harvard, Yale, Georgetown, BC, UCLA, Maryland, Brown, Columbia, Williams, Amherst, Colgate, etc, etc. Numerous state cup titles, regional and national success year after year...numerous national and regional players.

Are those some of the facts I am making up??? Is that what you mean, btdt?

Would these be decent, 2nd choices if my kid cannot make a NEFC squad? Or, to repeat a question you refuse to answer, should no one ever play for the Stars or Scorps?

Once again you are shooting at the wrong person but lets not let that stop you from trying to paint this discussion as one club against another. It really isn't Stars/Scorpions vs NEFC, it is more like the ECNL philosophy vs R1 philosophy.

Your point about Harvard, Yale etc is completely stupid because getting into those schools has virutally nothing to do with soccer. You need the brains to get to those schools so unless you are claiming the local ECNL clubs also have tremendous tutoring operations you need to drop them off your boast list.

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Getting the majority of the good players on a single team is good for the team, and the players. The players get better, the team gets better and everyone gets more exposure.

The only people that deny this are those who stand to lose good players.

Putting on the uniform is not what makes them d1 caliber players. It is the players (as you pointed out earlier), the coaching, the competition and their teammates. Many players at u13 have the potential to be d1 players. If they don't have the right attitude, training and competition they will not make it.

For some reason you seem to think there is some magical genetic switch in players that determines they are d1 players - they are or they aren't. This is laughably wrong. Players with the potential to make it need to refine their skills from u13 to u18.

I get what the other poster is getting at. Neither JD or FM are the types of people I myself would want my player to play for so the fact that there are other options is greatly appreciated. Years back you didn't have any options but to grit your teeth and be involved with people you would prefer not to be involved with in order for your child to chase their dream. Now you can simply bypass those clubs and those people altogether. The problem this creates is undermines the prestige of a league that bills itself as THE destination of all the best players so now we have what seems like a 24 hour cycle to "help" motivate players into leaving perfectly acceptable teams.