The Economy

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Scorpions coaches do not get paid like MPS coaches so they need to have other jobs. My child has played for many ocahes through town and club level soccer. She has been coached by both division one college players and for coaches who have played at lower levels but have a wealth of coaching knowledge. There are many, many coaches out there who have played at high levels who have no clue how to coach or teach the game. At the younger levels coaches need to teach. I am not saying this is not happening at MPS and I never once put them down. I just was amused by the comment that the $3000 covered a camp. That argument for the cost was amusing to me.

maybe so.. and maybe one cant answer as a parent with limited knowledge of the actual game outside of oohing and ahing at a long kick... and im sure most can make things fun for kids even if they cannot give the best instruction... but I would think its easier to teach what you have experienced then to instruct something you have never done or even can do yourself.. but who knows .. ill bet the costs are a little closer then this .. i will call around and see where I get better value across the board and i understand what you are saying but for me its got to be coaching not my problem what scorps coaches get paid

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When the dozens of MPS coaches accomplish what the handful of Scorpions coaches have accomplished in terms of team and player development then you can start doubting the Scorpion coaches.

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I just was amused by the comment that the $3000 covered a camp. That argument for the cost was amusing to me.

This whole thread is amusing. If you arent with MPS, why do you care what their fees are (psst, YOU arent paying them!)and if you are with MPS and dont like the fees or anything else, leave. Believe it or not it's that simple!

It seems the only people who continously bring this up are non-MPS people.

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When the dozens of MPS coaches accomplish what the handful of Scorpions coaches have accomplished in terms of team and player development then you can start doubting the Scorpion coaches.

guess that all depends on your definition of "accomplish" money is money.. if you like what youre getting then you are getting value.. if something doesnt seem right then you are probably right and not getting $ worth, and when I againg compare the coaching resumes it seems galringly obvious, even if you are paying a fraction. human nature tends to help us ignore that knawing feeling .. people who cant afford top quality or refuse to buy top convince themselve that "this is just as good, if not better" my Hyndai is just as good as that Mercedes.. they both accomplish the same thing?? , hey im getting a bargan..
I just dont want to be convinced of something due to biased advice and when my kid is trying out for his college team only to find out he cant make it.. I dont want to think back and wonder if I had something to do with that.. but a friend told me that a lot of clubs are now turning to better "experienced" coaches with solid playing and high level coaching and not relying on "gym" teachers..
how can a coach help your kid play soccer if he cant even hit a 30 yard shot? or understand what its like to be involved in a game where movement is just as if not more imprtant than ball controll? or if he never played against or with a dominant player and has no clue , personally , how to deal with a player who is stronger than himself? how do they translate that?
sorry for being all over the map.. either way im probably obsessing and my kid will be fine anyway.. hes only 8..

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I know the cooaches you are questioning and understand your reservations but if you again look at coaching resumes you will see they have all developed high level teams throughout the years. I do not see you directly knocking any of the many coaches at Scorpions without playing experience listed, but it seems you are making comments about their ability to coach when I guess my only question is have you ever attended a training session or heard any of these coaches give tactical instructions to their teams? My daughter happens to play for one of the coaches who does not have elite playing experience and he does a remarkable job. FYI, I played at BC and think I have a good grasp on the game and what development should be about as well. Im not just a dad who thinks he may know what is best for my kid. As a previous poster mentioned, MPS coaches at the youth levels (which is what we are talking about) have not accomplished anything in terms of team development. I would rather have my daughter coached by a good COACH that can teach and show her how to play, rather than a good player who can show her but has no idea how to teach her.

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As a previous poster mentioned, MPS coaches at the youth levels (which is what we are talking about) have not accomplished anything in terms of team development.

Huh?


This is about effective teaching more than anything. Just because someone played the sport and was very good at it does not necessarily mean they are a good coach nor does being a "bad" player mean you will be a bad coach. We see that in the professional sports world often.

Theres "book" knowledge gained from studying and there's tacid knowledge gained from experience. Both are fairly equal with an edge to tacid.

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I know the cooaches you are questioning and understand your reservations but if you again look at coaching resumes you will see they have all developed high level teams throughout the years. I do not see you directly knocking any of the many coaches at Scorpions without playing experience listed, but it seems you are making comments about their ability to coach when I guess my only question is have you ever attended a training session or heard any of these coaches give tactical instructions to their teams? My daughter happens to play for one of the coaches who does not have elite playing experience and he does a remarkable job. FYI, I played at BC and think I have a good grasp on the game and what development should be about as well. Im not just a dad who thinks he may know what is best for my kid. As a previous poster mentioned, MPS coaches at the youth levels (which is what we are talking about) have not accomplished anything in terms of team development. I would rather have my daughter coached by a good COACH that can teach and show her how to play, rather than a good player who can show her but has no idea how to teach her.

thx didnt mean to knock anyone just trying to work out in my head whats best. Im sure all these clubs have wonderful people that either teach or organize. apol'ies the other posters' nonsense got me off track.. i guess anyone can be a coach true.. but i dont see how one can translate knowledge better than someone who played and coached the game specifically ofcoarse i am assuming (ref mps) that europeans 10 to 5 years ago have been getting better instr and learning vs U.S. over that time that these coaches learned their craft.. I just dont think you can compare it
i also played D1 and just cringe when i see a coach who cant even trap a ball.. getting paid by unsuspecting parents..
thanks for the insight

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i am curious if you think that any of the elite level clubs like scorpions would hire coaches who cant take a ball out of the air? i have been around scorpions for a few years with myu kids and have never seen that. was that a comment about a coach you have seen at scorpions or just a remar kin general. i agree that i think there are far too mnay clubs out there and certainly some clubs hire coahes with no clue. i just do not think i have seen that at any of the high level clubs that i have encountered such as stars, scorps, mps, bolts. just curious as to your insight because i do find it informational as well and i do agree with some of your points.

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i am curious if you think that any of the elite level clubs like scorpions would hire coaches who cant take a ball out of the air? i have been around scorpions for a few years with myu kids and have never seen that. was that a comment about a coach you have seen at scorpions or just a remar kin general. i agree that i think there are far too mnay clubs out there and certainly some clubs hire coahes with no clue. i just do not think i have seen that at any of the high level clubs that i have encountered such as stars, scorps, mps, bolts. just curious as to your insight because i do find it informational as well and i do agree with some of your points.

this started back at a comment made from an earlier post regarding costs between scops and mps so i looked at both web sites no other reason.. i went to look at the coaches bios and to me it looked liked while scorps had maybe 2 that had high level play and coaching ..mps had more if not all (i dont rate town or H.S. coaching very highly or as a good background vrs european training or lic'.. just my pref) .. im sure they are all great great human beings and my kids would be fine at either spot...im sorry i answered it originally