DAP started to get serious?

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You started this off with a simple question/statement inquiring or wondering if the DAP players were dominating the D1 ranks. The answer to this was simple.....Yes. It is definitely the case when you look at the top D1 schools. I provided a small amount of data for you.

You then came back with a rant about Mass DAP but you don't provide any data...just your opinion. I said that I did agree that Mass DAP falls behind other areas of the country, but still does alright. The 7/21 is from the 2011 Bolts commitments. If you look at the 2010 commitments the percentage to D1 is a few percentage points more.

Seacoast had significantly fewer going to D1.

I don't know of the Revs. Maybe you can enlighten us....I doubt it since it is easier for you to just sling stuff from the sidelines.

The data I gave you is very simple....and easy to access from the Bolts website. Similarly, you can get the data from the Seacoast website....you just have to get off your lazy arse and do it.

With regard to all your other questions about kids staying back etc etc etc, I don't know any details, so I won't pretend to be able to offer any kind of statement that wouldn't be based on facts. Since you don't care about finding out any facts, I suspect that you will undoubtedly offer some kind of opinion.

http://www.fcblazers.com/clubinfo/Co...s/index_E.html

This website is the Blazer college commitments. The 2011 kids are in bold. There are three.....one going to a D1 school. I suppose you can say that this too is 33%, however, they only list three of their 16-18 rostered players. Does this mean that the rest are not playing soccer in college. If so, they I would say that even the Bolts DAP is contributing significantly better to D1 college soccer than the best non-DAP club in Massachusetts. As for the rest of the Blazer Alumni over 6 years, about 33% of their players have gone to D1 schools.....if you were really analyze this, there has been a big dropoff from the start of FO's tenure to the current list.....should we omit all those that went to BU?? What of those that stayed behind to play another year?

Unless you are able to provide some facts....data....real information....I will sign off on this discussion since you really don't seem to be capable of providing readers with anything substantial. So please take the opportunity to have your last say and conclude it with a 'goodbye'.

Don't you read??? I already explained to you, and proved, that I did not start the discussion with any reference to D1 commitments. I even quoted the original post in its entirety to show you, and yet you still insist I was starting something about D1. Poor form.

Your 33% doesn't work just on the basis on kids who already committed prior to playing DAP.

The Blazers? I wasn't even thinking about them. The Vikings, NEFC, and Crusaders produced D1 players.

Let's review how you started this discussion. With an analysis of recruiting at UNC that has absolutely zero relevance here. That was almost thought-disordered.

And after all of your comebacks not once have you contested my list of statements, so I assume you concede and/or agree with all of them.

And, thank you, I'll decide when I sign off.

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Just looked at your Blazers link....which proves that you have no idea what you are talking about. There are NO 2011 D1 commitments in bold. Two D3s and a D2. You need to say 'goodbye.'

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Just looked at your Blazers link....which proves that you have no idea what you are talking about. There are NO 2011 D1 commitments in bold. Two D3s and a D2. You need to say 'goodbye.'

I think you both are fogetting to look at the other aspect of college soccer. Maybe some of these boys don't want to make the committment that D1 soccer requires. I heard, and correct me if I am wrong, that when you play D1 soccer you need to make soccer your life... There is nothing else... So maybe these boys wanted to have a better school/life balance and chose the D2 and D3 programs.

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I think you both are fogetting to look at the other aspect of college soccer. Maybe some of these boys don't want to make the committment that D1 soccer requires. I heard, and correct me if I am wrong, that when you play D1 soccer you need to make soccer your life... There is nothing else... So maybe these boys wanted to have a better school/life balance and chose the D2 and D3 programs.

No one is critiquing the Blazers' kids choices. My friend was simply trying to make a point that backfired on him horribly. He thought one of the players was D1, but he clearly doesn't know his schools. Don't think he had any intent to impugn Blazers, although why he picked Blazers as his representative case for a non-DAP team was interesting.

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No one is critiquing the Blazers' kids choices. My friend was simply trying to make a point that backfired on him horribly. He thought one of the players was D1, but he clearly doesn't know his schools. Don't think he had any intent to impugn Blazers, although why he picked Blazers as his representative case for a non-DAP team was interesting.

I too was wrong in using the Blazers as an example, I was talking overall with kids playing soccer in school. The Blazer program is only about 5 years old and had many of the same players that the Bolts had early in its program. So that may be the reason for the comparison.

My point was D1 schools require a greater commitment to the program than D2 or D3 and some kids may choose the lesser commitment to garnish a better college experience.

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You started this off with a simple question/statement inquiring or wondering if the DAP players were dominating the D1 ranks. The answer to this was simple.....Yes. It is definitely the case when you look at the top D1 schools. I provided a small amount of data for you.

You then came back with a rant about Mass DAP but you don't provide any data...just your opinion. I said that I did agree that Mass DAP falls behind other areas of the country, but still does alright. The 7/21 is from the 2011 Bolts commitments. If you look at the 2010 commitments the percentage to D1 is a few percentage points more.

Seacoast had significantly fewer going to D1.

I don't know of the Revs. Maybe you can enlighten us....I doubt it since it is easier for you to just sling stuff from the sidelines.

The data I gave you is very simple....and easy to access from the Bolts website. Similarly, you can get the data from the Seacoast website....you just have to get off your lazy arse and do it.

With regard to all your other questions about kids staying back etc etc etc, I don't know any details, so I won't pretend to be able to offer any kind of statement that wouldn't be based on facts. Since you don't care about finding out any facts, I suspect that you will undoubtedly offer some kind of opinion.

http://www.fcblazers.com/clubinfo/Co...s/index_E.html

This website is the Blazer college commitments. The 2011 kids are in bold. There are three.....one going to a D1 school. I suppose you can say that this too is 33%, however, they only list three of their 16-18 rostered players. Does this mean that the rest are not playing soccer in college. If so, they I would say that even the Bolts DAP is contributing significantly better to D1 college soccer than the best non-DAP club in Massachusetts. As for the rest of the Blazer Alumni over 6 years, about 33% of their players have gone to D1 schools.....if you were really analyze this, there has been a big dropoff from the start of FO's tenure to the current list.....should we omit all those that went to BU?? What of those that stayed behind to play another year?

Unless you are able to provide some facts....data....real information....I will sign off on this discussion since you really don't seem to be capable of providing readers with anything substantial. So please take the opportunity to have your last say and conclude it with a 'goodbye'.

Don't bother arguing with this neanderthal. His only goal is to discredit DAP and teh Bolts. It permeates his every post, and he will twist facts, selectively ignore the facts that does not support his bitter view, and backpeddle when presented with facts that in conflict with his goal.

Maybe one day, he'll actually tell everyone why he hates the DAP and Bolts, and that would give everyone a perspective of the reasoning behind his crusade. But he hasn't yet, despite being asked several times. So do what most smart people in this forum have done: ignore him, which gives him about as much attention as he deserves.

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No one is critiquing the Blazers' kids choices. My friend was simply trying to make a point that backfired on him horribly. He thought one of the players was D1, but he clearly doesn't know his schools. Don't think he had any intent to impugn Blazers, although why he picked Blazers as his representative case for a non-DAP team was interesting.

The bottom line, truthfully, is that if you want to increase your chances (albeit very slight in general) to play D1 College soccer (especially at the highest levels), if that is your goal, then a player should get themselves on a DAP team so they can be seen by more D1 college coaches against better competition. Overall for our 2 DAP Mass teams the % of players going to D1 is not good, especially when you consider 3 of the BC players all played for other Clubs and committed to BC before joining the Bolts DAP team in November of their Senior HS year. However, if D1 College soccer is not your goal (and truthfully very few are qualified having the athletic/speed/skill necessary), then playing DAP is not a necessity to play D2 or D3. Does it help, I would say yes slightly, but are your hurt being a non-DAP player looking for D2 or D3, I would say no. Go take a look at the HS Class of 2011 Committments thread if you want to see more statistical information.

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I asked my kid about this - what he pointed out to me was that he believes that playing against the DAP competition and training with those teams and coaches made him a better player, and that it was that development that was important for him - he has known the coach he plays for for years (attended their camps on and off since U14) but, for him, DAP made him a better player and that was far more important than the exposure. He said the showcases were great because you sometimes got to play great sides from out west/ down south and that was more important to him as a player that the recruiting aspect of it.

Hope this helps - good luck to all of you trying to get a college spot...

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I'm just pretty puzzled by the whole US system, as it stands with DAP. If soccer is your primary interest, then move to Europe or S. America and become a world class player. College D1 should not be a destination for elite soccer, and DAP shouldn't be a feeder for it - aside from a few elite teams (like Akron), college soccer, including D1, looks like glorified high school, and is a far cry from the real thing. College soccer players are doing something else that's more important than training with their time - they're going to school. Every kid and parent who at college like its a soccer team has got their heads screwed on backwards - if that's your priority when you look at a college, no point going. Nobody goes to college to become a great soccer player.

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I'm just pretty puzzled by the whole US system, as it stands with DAP. If soccer is your primary interest, then move to Europe or S. America and become a world class player. College D1 should not be a destination for elite soccer, and DAP shouldn't be a feeder for it - aside from a few elite teams (like Akron), college soccer, including D1, looks like glorified high school, and is a far cry from the real thing. College soccer players are doing something else that's more important than training with their time - they're going to school. Every kid and parent who at college like its a soccer team has got their heads screwed on backwards - if that's your priority when you look at a college, no point going. Nobody goes to college to become a great soccer player.

Actually, college soccer has improved dramatically over the past two decades and is the main "feeder" to MLS. One could argue that this is the problem but MLS is now Championship level, a far cry from where it was and certainly not "glorified high school" soccer. This comment only shows how very little you really know about the game...

Obviously, there is no way the US can compete with the big boys in the international arena if boys are spending the crucial years playing in college rather than pro. The USMNT camp should be based in Spain and only invite players from the Euro top level.

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Don't bother arguing with this neanderthal. His only goal is to discredit DAP and teh Bolts. It permeates his every post, and he will twist facts, selectively ignore the facts that does not support his bitter view, and backpeddle when presented with facts that in conflict with his goal.

Maybe one day, he'll actually tell everyone why he hates the DAP and Bolts, and that would give everyone a perspective of the reasoning behind his crusade. But he hasn't yet, despite being asked several times. So do what most smart people in this forum have done: ignore him, which gives him about as much attention as he deserves.

I don't appreciate being called a neanderthal. And I've answered your question many times. You just didn't accept the answer.

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I don't appreciate being called a neanderthal. And I've answered your question many times. You just didn't accept the answer.

Sorry to disappoint you....it wasn't me whomcalled you a Neanderthal. Someone else thought it. If I were to call you anything, it would been more on the lines of a sideline twit. And you have provided any real data just things like....'look at NEFC, VALEO'

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Sorry to disappoint you....it wasn't me whomcalled you a Neanderthal. Someone else thought it. If I were to call you anything, it would been more on the lines of a sideline twit. And you have provided any real data just things like....'look at NEFC, VALEO'

You needed to take a little more care with this post. Makes very little sense. So you were referencing me in a certain way because someone else called me that? And you must be confusing me with someone else. I've never made ANY references to NEFC or Valeo.

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The bottom line, truthfully, is that if you want to increase your chances (albeit very slight in general) to play D1 College soccer (especially at the highest levels), if that is your goal, then a player should get themselves on a DAP team so they can be seen by more D1 college coaches against better competition. Overall for our 2 DAP Mass teams the % of players going to D1 is not good, especially when you consider 3 of the BC players all played for other Clubs and committed to BC before joining the Bolts DAP team in November of their Senior HS year. However, if D1 College soccer is not your goal (and truthfully very few are qualified having the athletic/speed/skill necessary), then playing DAP is not a necessity to play D2 or D3. Does it help, I would say yes slightly, but are your hurt being a non-DAP player looking for D2 or D3, I would say no. Go take a look at the HS Class of 2011 Committments thread if you want to see more statistical information.

Those three BC kids were encouraged to play on DAP teams their senior year because the BC coach felt it was better preparation for the competition of D1 soccer. Otherwise, why would they bother with all the negatives that you DAP haters claim keeps the program from being any good? They committed early to BC, but still needed to maintain their grades in order to go. Yet the "grueling" DAP travel and training schedule didn't deter them. They committed early to BC and were facing years of additional college expenses, yet the "exorbitant" DAP costs didn't deter them. They committed early to BC, yet they left the comfort of the clubs they knew to play in a new situation.

What people fail to fully understand is that college coaches view DAP as fertile recruiting ground, and the best preparation for the step up to college play. While not all DAP kids will go to D1 school, nearly every kid coming out of DAP is a better player for having been in a better training environment and playing with and against better competition. And it doesn't matter what school or division a kid ultimately chooses (for whatever personal reasons he chooses), he is better prepared for the college game by having been a DAP player.

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I don't appreciate being called a neanderthal. And I've answered your question many times. You just didn't accept the answer.

It's not so much name calling as an observation. Your failure to evolve beyond your narrow minded old time view gives the comment accuracy.

And no, you never come out and said why you hate the DAP and hate the Bolts.