DAP started to get serious?

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Not a critizism of the kids school but just a reflection of reality....One of the selling points of DAP is that it will help the kids get into a Div 1 school...One reason for paying the money...I harder sell is the 10 month DAP program....If you end up going to SNHU does it make sense to give up High School Soccer....

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When they start dominating the college commitments lists let us know...

Why don't you just do your own research. Then you can be real integral part of the converation and provide us with a real contribution instead of just sitting on the sidelines watching it all happen.

but.......since I doubt that you will take a serious look, I will for you. Clearly, I don't have enough to do.

I looked at UNC's soccer roster, which lists the club team that they had played for prior to college. As you know (maybe not) UNC is currently the second ranked team in the country. There are 28 players listed on the roster. Eighteen of the players (65%) come from DAP clubs. Actually there might be more as I lost track.

By the way all players going to the DI participated in club soccer prior to college and about 90% of those attending DIII schools. These data were obtained from area coaches.

In 2010, the NY Times estimated that there were more than 4 million youth soccer players. If you divided this by 8 age groups (U10 to U18) and by 2 for sex (m/w), that would yield about 250,000 each age group (500,000 for men and women combined).

Looking at the big picture, there are 78 DAP clubs with rosters of, on average, 23 players, or approximately 1800 players in each age group.

Although these are very crude calculations: 1800/250,000 is less than 1%, meaning that < 1% of the players in the U18 age group are DAP players..........yet at UNC then represent 65%.

Does this answer your question as to whether or not the DAP players are dominating the college ranks.....or at least the good college teams? Even if you want to doubt the number that I am using, it is clear that the DAP players are dominating the college ranks.

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Why don't you just do your own research. Then you can be real integral part of the converation and provide us with a real contribution instead of just sitting on the sidelines watching it all happen.

but.......since I doubt that you will take a serious look, I will for you. Clearly, I don't have enough to do.

I looked at UNC's soccer roster, which lists the club team that they had played for prior to college. As you know (maybe not) UNC is currently the second ranked team in the country. There are 28 players listed on the roster. Eighteen of the players (65%) come from DAP clubs. Actually there might be more as I lost track.

By the way all players going to the DI participated in club soccer prior to college and about 90% of those attending DIII schools. These data were obtained from area coaches.

In 2010, the NY Times estimated that there were more than 4 million youth soccer players. If you divided this by 8 age groups (U10 to U18) and by 2 for sex (m/w), that would yield about 250,000 each age group (500,000 for men and women combined).

Looking at the big picture, there are 78 DAP clubs with rosters of, on average, 23 players, or approximately 1800 players in each age group.

Although these are very crude calculations: 1800/250,000 is less than 1%, meaning that < 1% of the players in the U18 age group are DAP players..........yet at UNC then represent 65%.

Does this answer your question as to whether or not the DAP players are dominating the college ranks.....or at least the good college teams? Even if you want to doubt the number that I am using, it is clear that the DAP players are dominating the college ranks.

Mid-range to top-end D1 programs from a national point of view recruit and attempt to sign as many DAP players as possible. YES.

MA DAP teams are producing a large number of D1 players. NO.

MA DAP teams are producing a large number of top-end D1 players. NO.

MA DAP teams produced 0 UNC recruits. CORRECT.

The 2011 class produced no ACC conference commitments, with the exception of local BC where 2 kids committed prior to any significant involvement with DAP. CORRECT.

An uncomfortably high number of MA DAP 2011 players are not playing at all or playing at marginal schools below where they would have been projected in terms of soccer ability. CORRECT.

On a percentage basis, the MA DAP commitments result for 2011, especially when controlling for what were really 2010 players, was relatively poor. CORRECT.

MANY MA non-DAP 2011 players are having success at a range of schools playing soccer. CORRECT.

At least in Massachusetts, the overall college destination results of DAP vs. non-DAP are not compelling. CORRECT (except insofar as the results favor non-DAP).

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Mid-range to top-end D1 programs from a national point of view recruit and attempt to sign as many DAP players as possible. YES.

MA DAP teams are producing a large number of D1 players. NO.

MA DAP teams are producing a large number of top-end D1 players. NO.

MA DAP teams produced 0 UNC recruits. CORRECT.

The 2011 class produced no ACC conference commitments, with the exception of local BC where 2 kids committed prior to any significant involvement with DAP. CORRECT.

An uncomfortably high number of MA DAP 2011 players are not playing at all or playing at marginal schools below where they would have been projected in terms of soccer ability. CORRECT.

On a percentage basis, the MA DAP commitments result for 2011, especially when controlling for what were really 2010 players, was relatively poor. CORRECT.

MANY MA non-DAP 2011 players are having success at a range of schools playing soccer. CORRECT.

At least in Massachusetts, the overall college destination results of DAP vs. non-DAP are not compelling. CORRECT (except insofar as the results favor non-DAP).

your original statement was for DAP and not for any particular state. Second,i provided you with data....actual data. you have provided with me with statements. although i will agree that mass dap teams are behind in providing D1 players, i would like you to show me what they do provide. i assume that you have this data since your statements are so convincing....or are you just taiking from your emotional arse?

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your original statement was for DAP and not for any particular state. Second,i provided you with data....actual data. you have provided with me with statements. although i will agree that mass dap teams are behind in providing D1 players, i would like you to show me what they do provide. i assume that you have this data since your statements are so convincing....or are you just taiking from your emotional arse?

Interesting that you provided so much "data," stretching yourself unduly when you are such a busy, busy man, and yet no "data" about Massachusetts which clearly is what would be of most interest and relevance to readers here. You asked me to provide data about what MA DAP teams DO provide. What do you mean? Some sort of values? Some intangible pursuit of excellence that participants internalize, serving them well for the rest of their lives? Jobs? Or college placements? In terms of college placements, a handful of DAP players went D1, and some of those were 2010s after PG years. Another handful went D3, but there is no argument that most of the DAP D3 commitments could not have been accomplished without DAP. And then there is a smattering of D2 commitments. Again, it is a stretch to suggest that the D2 commitments for the most part would not have occurred without DAP. What else would you like to know?

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Interesting that you provided so much "data," stretching yourself unduly when you are such a busy, busy man, and yet no "data" about Massachusetts which clearly is what would be of most interest and relevance to readers here. You asked me to provide data about what MA DAP teams DO provide. What do you mean? Some sort of values? Some intangible pursuit of excellence that participants internalize, serving them well for the rest of their lives? Jobs? Or college placements? In terms of college placements, a handful of DAP players went D1, and some of those were 2010s after PG years. Another handful went D3, but there is no argument that most of the DAP D3 commitments could not have been accomplished without DAP. And then there is a smattering of D2 commitments. Again, it is a stretch to suggest that the D2 commitments for the most part would not have occurred without DAP. What else would you like to know?

First, I am not from your state. I am from North Carolina.
Second, thanks for supporting the fact that you have not details or facts....just your opinion. Although I am sure that you opinion is important to some, but not to me. I would prefer you to show me the data.

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First, I am not from your state. I am from North Carolina.
Second, thanks for supporting the fact that you have not details or facts....just your opinion. Although I am sure that you opinion is important to some, but not to me. I would prefer you to show me the data.

Everything I have stated is factual. Please tell me what specific data you would like me to provide vis-a-vis the MA DAP teams. It is odd for you to keep acting like you are interested in data but are so vague in what would count for you. Please clarify exactly what questions you would like answered and I will do my best. North Carolina resident? Are you John Kerr? Why would you have an interest in a Massachusetts board when there are no recruits for you here?

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Everything I have stated is factual. Please tell me what specific data you would like me to provide vis-a-vis the MA DAP teams. It is odd for you to keep acting like you are interested in data but are so vague in what would count for you. Please clarify exactly what questions you would like answered and I will do my best. North Carolina resident? Are you John Kerr? Why would you have an interest in a Massachusetts board when there are no recruits for you here?

You are very much the hypocrite. First you ask the question of whether or not the DAP is having an impact on College soccer; specifically DI. I then provide you with details/data of a DI college and the impact of DAP on that school. You then provide unsupported comments regarding Mass DAP teams....without data. Now you making it seem as though I am asking the questions. Although you might try to appear clever by turning this around to look as though I was the one asking the original question, the fact is that you are the one who started the criticism/question regarding the question of DAP's impact on colleges.

If you want to engage in a factual conversation then provide us with some facts. Since you can't.....or won't....I'll direct you to the Bolts Alumni Website:

http://www.fcgreaterboston.com/alumni/index_E.html

You will find that 30-40% of the 2011 and 2010 classes attended DI schools. Although I don't know what percentage of other DAP players at other clubs go to DI, I do think that 30-40% is a decent number. Maybe you can get off your butt and provide some of the missing data......and, no, this is not John Kerr.

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You are very much the hypocrite. First you ask the question of whether or not the DAP is having an impact on College soccer; specifically DI. I then provide you with details/data of a DI college and the impact of DAP on that school. You then provide unsupported comments regarding Mass DAP teams....without data. Now you making it seem as though I am asking the questions. Although you might try to appear clever by turning this around to look as though I was the one asking the original question, the fact is that you are the one who started the criticism/question regarding the question of DAP's impact on colleges.

If you want to engage in a factual conversation then provide us with some facts. Since you can't.....or won't....I'll direct you to the Bolts Alumni Website:

http://www.fcgreaterboston.com/alumni/index_E.html

You will find that 30-40% of the 2011 and 2010 classes attended DI schools. Although I don't know what percentage of other DAP players at other clubs go to DI, I do think that 30-40% is a decent number. Maybe you can get off your butt and provide some of the missing data......and, no, this is not John Kerr.

You are the one with revisionist history....

I posted the following which started your little challenge -- "When they start dominating the college commitments lists let us know... " -- I made no specific mention of D1. Check the record. Does that count as "data" for you? You were wrong.

You still fail to say what specific question you would like me to now address.

30-40% is a lie, and you know it. Try 10-15%, and that's including kids with PG or gap years.

By the way, which of my statements in the other post above do you contest. Yes, the ones that I described as fact.

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You are the one with revisionist history....

I posted the following which started your little challenge -- "When they start dominating the college commitments lists let us know... " -- I made no specific mention of D1. Check the record. Does that count as "data" for you? You were wrong.

You still fail to say what specific question you would like me to now address.

30-40% is a lie, and you know it. Try 10-15%, and that's including kids with PG or gap years.

By the way, which of my statements in the other post above do you contest. Yes, the ones that I described as fact.

Explain how I am reading this wrong:
Out of 21 kids the following DI placements are:
Providence College 3
Boston College 5

I think one of these is not listed on that teams roster.....7/21 is 33%.

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Explain how I am reading this wrong:
Out of 21 kids the following DI placements are:
Providence College 3
Boston College 5

I think one of these is not listed on that teams roster.....7/21 is 33%.

So you're a Bolts guy....living in North Carolina. You didn't include REVS D1 commitments.

I will take your word on the 7/21. Is that over 2 years? And there were only 21 2010s and 2011s on the rosters? Are you including 2011s that decided to become 2012s? So 3 kids to PC that were coached by the DAP coach. And at least 2 of the 3 BC commits were with NEFC and Vikings and committed before playing a second for DAP. Still not impressed, and I stand by my list of statements. And given that my statement was about college commitments in general, I think a quick perusal of non-DAP commitment at D1, D2, and D3 shows that non-DAP fared as well if not better.

I do have another serious question for you. How do you think DAP kids who stay back a year or do a PG or gap year should be counted? Given how highly you think of DAP would you agree that an unfair advantage is created by adding a PG year to the DAP resume? And if DAP is so good, why would a kid need that? What, so a kid can move up 10 spots on the US News rankings?

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So you're a Bolts guy....living in North Carolina. You didn't include REVS D1 commitments.

I will take your word on the 7/21. Is that over 2 years? And there were only 21 2010s and 2011s on the rosters? Are you including 2011s that decided to become 2012s? So 3 kids to PC that were coached by the DAP coach. And at least 2 of the 3 BC commits were with NEFC and Vikings and committed before playing a second for DAP. Still not impressed, and I stand by my list of statements. And given that my statement was about college commitments in general, I think a quick perusal of non-DAP commitment at D1, D2, and D3 shows that non-DAP fared as well if not better.

I do have another serious question for you. How do you think DAP kids who stay back a year or do a PG or gap year should be counted? Given how highly you think of DAP would you agree that an unfair advantage is created by adding a PG year to the DAP resume? And if DAP is so good, why would a kid need that? What, so a kid can move up 10 spots on the US News rankings?

You started this off with a simple question/statement inquiring or wondering if the DAP players were dominating the D1 ranks. The answer to this was simple.....Yes. It is definitely the case when you look at the top D1 schools. I provided a small amount of data for you.

You then came back with a rant about Mass DAP but you don't provide any data...just your opinion. I said that I did agree that Mass DAP falls behind other areas of the country, but still does alright. The 7/21 is from the 2011 Bolts commitments. If you look at the 2010 commitments the percentage to D1 is a few percentage points more.

Seacoast had significantly fewer going to D1.

I don't know of the Revs. Maybe you can enlighten us....I doubt it since it is easier for you to just sling stuff from the sidelines.

The data I gave you is very simple....and easy to access from the Bolts website. Similarly, you can get the data from the Seacoast website....you just have to get off your lazy arse and do it.

With regard to all your other questions about kids staying back etc etc etc, I don't know any details, so I won't pretend to be able to offer any kind of statement that wouldn't be based on facts. Since you don't care about finding out any facts, I suspect that you will undoubtedly offer some kind of opinion.

http://www.fcblazers.com/clubinfo/Co...s/index_E.html

This website is the Blazer college commitments. The 2011 kids are in bold. There are three.....one going to a D1 school. I suppose you can say that this too is 33%, however, they only list three of their 16-18 rostered players. Does this mean that the rest are not playing soccer in college. If so, they I would say that even the Bolts DAP is contributing significantly better to D1 college soccer than the best non-DAP club in Massachusetts. As for the rest of the Blazer Alumni over 6 years, about 33% of their players have gone to D1 schools.....if you were really analyze this, there has been a big dropoff from the start of FO's tenure to the current list.....should we omit all those that went to BU?? What of those that stayed behind to play another year?

Unless you are able to provide some facts....data....real information....I will sign off on this discussion since you really don't seem to be capable of providing readers with anything substantial. So please take the opportunity to have your last say and conclude it with a 'goodbye'.

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...which school is D1?

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...which school is D1?

Be more specific

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"The 2011 kids are in bold. There are three.....one going to a D1 school. I suppose you can say that this too is 33%,"

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