2012 Boys Soccer Verbal Commitments

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Disagree. Kids getting into the NESCACs, especially the upper half, have the academic goods to get in Ivies if they are athletes capable of playing at the Ivies. Ivies are close cousins of the elite D3s. Similar academics but you have to be a better athlete, so the idea that D1 athletes are choosing the elite D3s instead makes little sense.

The point was often, NOT always, lower level D1's go to top level D3. Ivy is not lower level D1. The players who go Ivy are always solid D1's who almost always (note the "almost") have killers grades as well. Some are such amazing athletes that those grades can stretch a bit.

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The point was often, NOT always, lower level D1's go to top level D3. Ivy is not lower level D1. The players who go Ivy are always solid D1's who almost always (note the "almost") have killers grades as well. Some are such amazing athletes that those grades can stretch a bit.

You have fallen into a semantic wasteland. So at least now you are conceding they are low level D1s, where initially you said you had noticed D1 material seemed to be going D3. This is what you don't get. What sense does it make to talk about low level D1 when these kids would NEVER consider low level D1 schools? These elite-conscious families with kids at prep schools and with higher end academic profiles are not going to choose FDU, Albany, Francis Marion, Siena, Wagner, Rider, Iona, St Peters, Central CT State, or even a Bryant. Not happening, so characterizing them as low level D1 players makes no sense. They are D3 players, in theory AND practice.

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D1

Colin Sweeney-Revs -High Point
Jay Marchand-Bolts-Holy Cross
Devin Devoy-NE Revs-Northeastern
Oliver White-Nobles-Blazers-Harvard
Eijah Soko-Brooks-Seacoast-Dartmouth
Derrick "nana" Boateng-Bolts-BC
Pablo Espinola-BB&N-Bolts-Yale
Michael Bloom-Phillips Academy-Lafayette
Edward Gonzalez-Berkshire School-American University
Jack Blatchford- FCGB Bolts- URI
Fabio Machado-Drexel
Jack Hilger-Revs- Princeton
PA-Sandwich-UMass
Marco Addonizio-Lynnfield-FC Greater Boston-Bryant
Victor Parra-Bolts-URI
Mikey O'Brien- CC-Penn
Alex Wallace-Algonquin-MPS Bulldogs-Depaul

D2

AJ MacDougall-Newburyport-Seacoast-St Anselms
Nick Hoffman-Quabbin-Bentley
Sam Paul - Winchester High - Sachems FC - Saint Anselm's


D3

Noah Le Gros-Phillips Academy-NEFC-Wesleyan
Eric Nesto-Milton Academy-Blazers-Emory
Ben Toulette-Milton Academy-MPS-Wesleyan
Jonathan Westling-Phillips Academy-SFV-Williams
Liam Gaziano-Rox Latin-MPS-Washington and Lee
Harry Copeland-St. Marks-MPS- St. Lawrence
Sam Hewat-Phillips Academy-Colorado College
Max Montanari-Aztecs-Babson
James Rosso-MPS Crusaders-Babson
Alex Becker-MPS-Ithaca
Chris Walker-Jacks-CC -Hobart
Josh Voto-FC Stars-Tufts
Ben Sia-FC Stars-Babson
Jack Vogel-Nobles-Blazers-Middlebury
Forest Sisk-Lincoln Sudbury-Amherst
Tyler Zon-Noles & Greenough-Swarthmore
Flavio Carvahlo-New Bedford-UMass Dart
Josh Hacunda-Bolts-Brandeis
Adrian Reifsnyder-Bolts-Wesleyan
Kenn Fryer-Bolts-Brandeis
Dan Vogel-Bolts-Colby College
Paulo Lopes-Gloucester-Winchester Sachems-St Joe's
Jonathan Harper-Westwood-NEFC-Dickinson

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D1

Colin Sweeney-Revs -High Point
Jay Marchand-Bolts-Holy Cross
Devin Devoy-NE Revs-Northeastern
Oliver White-Nobles-Blazers-Harvard
Eijah Soko-Brooks-Seacoast-Dartmouth
Derrick "nana" Boateng-Bolts-BC
Pablo Espinola-BB&N-Bolts-Yale
Michael Bloom-Phillips Academy-Lafayette
Edward Gonzalez-Berkshire School-American University
Jack Blatchford- FCGB Bolts- URI
Fabio Machado-Drexel
Jack Hilger-Revs- Princeton
PA-Sandwich-UMass
Marco Addonizio-Lynnfield-FC Greater Boston-Bryant
Victor Parra-Bolts-URI
Mikey O'Brien- CC-Penn
Alex Wallace-Algonquin-MPS Bulldogs-Depaul

D2

AJ MacDougall-Newburyport-Seacoast-St Anselms
Nick Hoffman-Quabbin-Bentley
Sam Paul - Winchester High - Sachems FC - Saint Anselm's


D3

Noah Le Gros-Phillips Academy-NEFC-Wesleyan
Eric Nesto-Milton Academy-Blazers-Emory
Ben Toulette-Milton Academy-MPS-Wesleyan
Jonathan Westling-Phillips Academy-SFV-Williams
Liam Gaziano-Rox Latin-MPS-Washington and Lee
Harry Copeland-St. Marks-MPS- St. Lawrence
Sam Hewat-Phillips Academy-Colorado College
Max Montanari-Aztecs-Babson
James Rosso-MPS Crusaders-Babson
Alex Becker-MPS-Ithaca
Chris Walker-Jacks-CC -Hobart
Josh Voto-FC Stars-Tufts
Ben Sia-FC Stars-Babson
Jack Vogel-Nobles-Blazers-Middlebury
Forest Sisk-Lincoln Sudbury-Amherst
Tyler Zon-Noles & Greenough-Swarthmore
Flavio Carvahlo-New Bedford-UMass Dart
Josh Hacunda-Bolts-Brandeis
Adrian Reifsnyder-Bolts-Wesleyan
Kenn Fryer-Bolts-Brandeis
Dan Vogel-Bolts-Colby College
Paulo Lopes-Gloucester-Winchester Sachems-St Joe's
Jonathan Harper-Westwood-NEFC-Dickinson

Congratulations to these players....and good luck in college.

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I asked my mom who was is a guidence counseler for about 30 years if anybody ever, if they got into and ivy would go to what see refers to as Little Ivy, Almost never she said. legacys of Amherst, Williams would go to those schools. Some would chose middlebury which i though interesting.A kid getting in for sports she said never would because strings had to be pulled and the coach would darn well be sure that the kid was coming to that school if he pulled the string. Rare that a good player got into two Ivy league schools (no matter how good grades were). Not unusal to have more than good player into 3-4 little ivies. She considers Colby second tier of little ivies...take it for what it is worth. In my conversations with bolts parents over the years playing Div 3 soccer (good school or not) never was never their end game.

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I asked my mom who was is a guidence counseler for about 30 years if anybody ever, if they got into and ivy would go to what see refers to as Little Ivy, Almost never she said. legacys of Amherst, Williams would go to those schools. Some would chose middlebury which i though interesting.A kid getting in for sports she said never would because strings had to be pulled and the coach would darn well be sure that the kid was coming to that school if he pulled the string. Rare that a good player got into two Ivy league schools (no matter how good grades were). Not unusal to have more than good player into 3-4 little ivies. She considers Colby second tier of little ivies...take it for what it is worth. In my conversations with bolts parents over the years playing Div 3 soccer (good school or not) never was never their end game.

Of course there are exceptions to this above rule, which in general is true, however I do know at least five athletes who were offered spots in past years in the Ivy League and turned them down to head to a NESCAC for a number or reasons. Turned out to be great decisions by these five student athletes for them personally.

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I asked my mom who was is a guidence counseler for about 30 years if anybody ever, if they got into and ivy would go to what see refers to as Little Ivy, Almost never she said. legacys of Amherst, Williams would go to those schools. Some would chose middlebury which i though interesting.A kid getting in for sports she said never would because strings had to be pulled and the coach would darn well be sure that the kid was coming to that school if he pulled the string. Rare that a good player got into two Ivy league schools (no matter how good grades were). Not unusal to have more than good player into 3-4 little ivies. She considers Colby second tier of little ivies...take it for what it is worth. In my conversations with bolts parents over the years playing Div 3 soccer (good school or not) never was never their end game.

Turn down H-Y-P for Nescac, unlikely. Turn down Cornell for Amherst or Williams, sure.

After a sniff of what D-1 athletics is all about, (even Ivy) it is not unusual for a student athlete to want more balance in her college experience.

I might even put Colby in the third tier of Nescac. (First is Amherst, Williams) (second: Wesleyan, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Tufts) (third: Colby Bates, Trinity, Conn College). To be clear, I am not saying Colby is a third rate school, I am just saying, inho, that there are tow tiers higher within Nescac. Even the third tier Nescaac schools are VERY tough to get into. The recent stats are almost silly.see below for Trinity:

Middle 50% of First-Year Students
SAT Critical Reading: 590 - 680
SAT Math: 610 - 690
SAT Writing: 610 - 700

So, the average kid at Trinity has about 1300 on the SATs (or 1950)

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Turn down H-Y-P for Nescac, unlikely. Turn down Cornell for Amherst or Williams, sure.

After a sniff of what D-1 athletics is all about, (even Ivy) it is not unusual for a student athlete to want more balance in her college experience.

I might even put Colby in the third tier of Nescac. (First is Amherst, Williams) (second: Wesleyan, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Tufts) (third: Colby Bates, Trinity, Conn College). To be clear, I am not saying Colby is a third rate school, I am just saying, inho, that there are tow tiers higher within Nescac. Even the third tier Nescaac schools are VERY tough to get into. The recent stats are almost silly.see below for Trinity:

Middle 50% of First-Year Students
SAT Critical Reading: 590 - 680
SAT Math: 610 - 690
SAT Writing: 610 - 700

So, the average kid at Trinity has about 1300 on the SATs (or 1950)

I think your concept is correct but you are off on specifics. In your way of thinking there would be 4 tiers and Colby and Bates would constitute the 3rd. Colby is a significantly tougher admit, in general, than Trinity or Conn College. Average SAT there is 2100+. 150 points or more is a big difference.

IMHO, the categories are Williams, Amherst, Bowdoin and Middlebury, then Wesleyan and Tufts, then Colby and Bates, and then the last two.

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I think your concept is correct but you are off on specifics. In your way of thinking there would be 4 tiers and Colby and Bates would constitute the 3rd. Colby is a significantly tougher admit, in general, than Trinity or Conn College. Average SAT there is 2100+. 150 points or more is a big difference.

IMHO, the categories are Williams, Amherst, Bowdoin and Middlebury, then Wesleyan and Tufts, then Colby and Bates, and then the last two.

If you go by SAT scores alone (and I'm not suggesting that one should), things would shake out a bit differently. Amherst (+/- 2160) and Tufts (+/- 2150) would be on top, with Williams (+/- 2140), Bowdoin (+/- 2120), and Wesleyan (+/- 2075) close behind (Bates is SAT optional). Colby (+/-2005) and Conn College (+/- 2000) follow, with Trinity further back.

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If you go by SAT scores alone (and I'm not suggesting that one should), things would shake out a bit differently. Amherst (+/- 2160) and Tufts (+/- 2150) would be on top, with Williams (+/- 2140), Bowdoin (+/- 2120), and Wesleyan (+/- 2075) close behind (Bates is SAT optional). Colby (+/-2005) and Conn College (+/- 2000) follow, with Trinity further back.

I hope you are not getting your figures from collegedata.com like you or someone else did a few weeks ago. Those numbers are based on a tiny number of potential applicants. 50th percentile score for Colby is 2100+. Check their website for 2014 and 2015 middle 50% and median score data. You also left out Middlebury above...and don't forget Hamilton.

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Turn down H-Y-P for Nescac, unlikely. Turn down Cornell for Amherst or Williams, sure.

After a sniff of what D-1 athletics is all about, (even Ivy) it is not unusual for a student athlete to want more balance in her college experience.

I might even put Colby in the third tier of Nescac. (First is Amherst, Williams) (second: Wesleyan, Middlebury, Bowdoin, Tufts) (third: Colby Bates, Trinity, Conn College). To be clear, I am not saying Colby is a third rate school, I am just saying, inho, that there are tow tiers higher within Nescac. Even the third tier Nescaac schools are VERY tough to get into. The recent stats are almost silly.see below for Trinity:

Middle 50% of First-Year Students
SAT Critical Reading: 590 - 680
SAT Math: 610 - 690
SAT Writing: 610 - 700

So, the average kid at Trinity has about 1300 on the SATs (or 1950)

The 5 student athletes mentioned above turned down Harvard, Yale and Dartmouth for NESCAC...so yes it does happen, not often, but it does. Remember College choice should be about what fits the student athlete best....size, location, field of study, sport.....

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The 5 student athletes mentioned above turned down Harvard, Yale and Dartmouth for NESCAC...so yes it does happen, not often, but it does. Remember College choice should be about what fits the student athlete best....size, location, field of study, sport.....

Are these 5 you reference all within 1 year or spread out over several years?

Were they projected to be starters and/or high impact players beginning with their freshman year?

So since location is similar, sport is better, Ivies obviously can exceed in terms of fields of study, and while bigger, not really that much bigger, what exactly is the reason?

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Congratulations and good luck to HS Class of 2012

Are these 5 you reference all within 1 year or spread out over several years?

Were they projected to be starters and/or high impact players beginning with their freshman year?

So since location is similar, sport is better, Ivies obviously can exceed in terms of fields of study, and while bigger, not really that much bigger, what exactly is the reason?

These student athletes were spread over several years in three different sports (soccer was sport for 2). Location was not similar. Ultimately didn't want urban setting, but also wanted a small college, thus despite lure/heavy recruitment of Harvard/Yale 4 didn't go that route. Liked the NESCAC setting and small college environment better. Don't know details of the Dartmouth story, but the student went to NESCAC also. However, 3 of 5 were immediate starters impact players as frosh and the other 2 were starters as sophomores. Worked out for them. Not the general rule, but in their cases it worked out just fine. Ultimately, remember the decision is the students, where they will be the happiest and thus perform the best both in the classroom and on the field. Ultimately, wherever the HS class of 2012 student athletes end up....CONGRATULATIONS...and if you decide to play soccer in college fantastic, but remember you are there to get an education first and foremost.

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These student athletes were spread over several years in three different sports (soccer was sport for 2). Location was not similar. Ultimately didn't want urban setting, but also wanted a small college, thus despite lure/heavy recruitment of Harvard/Yale 4 didn't go that route. Liked the NESCAC setting and small college environment better. Don't know details of the Dartmouth story, but the student went to NESCAC also. However, 3 of 5 were immediate starters impact players as frosh and the other 2 were starters as sophomores. Worked out for them. Not the general rule, but in their cases it worked out just fine. Ultimately, remember the decision is the students, where they will be the happiest and thus perform the best both in the classroom and on the field. Ultimately, wherever the HS class of 2012 student athletes end up....CONGRATULATIONS...and if you decide to play soccer in college fantastic, but remember you are there to get an education first and foremost.

Thank you and agree with your overall sentiment. Just didn't want your posts to leave the impression that these 5 were all from 1 year and all from soccer. Saying spread out over several years and even different sports makes a big difference. You indeed are pointing out very rare occurrences as opposed to routine. Also, you confused one question by not saying whether they would have been starters and high impact players IF they had gone to the Ivy schools instead.

I also assume no one is going to say anyone from the MA T-S demographic picked any academically average to below average low end soccer D1s over elite D3s.

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Thank you and agree with your overall sentiment. Just didn't want your posts to leave the impression that these 5 were all from 1 year and all from soccer. Saying spread out over several years and even different sports makes a big difference. You indeed are pointing out very rare occurrences as opposed to routine. Also, you confused one question by not saying whether they would have been starters and high impact players IF they had gone to the Ivy schools instead.

I also assume no one is going to say anyone from the MA T-S demographic picked any academically average to below average low end soccer D1s over elite D3s.

Yes. That was my point all along. Academics rules the day. You go to the best school academically where you can also play soccer.