Poor Refereeing at Stars Cup

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Not when the ref is some quack who is clearly violating the LOTG many times during the game. The video points out one referee gaff but just touches the surface of many much worse calls in youth soccer. Not all parents are ignorant about the LOTG/ATG as some arrogant pompous asses on this forum would like to think.

Typo- "LOTG/ATR"

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Not when the ref is some quack who is clearly violating the LOTG many times during the game. The video points out one referee gaff but just touches the surface of many much worse calls in youth soccer. Not all parents are ignorant about the LOTG/ATG as some arrogant pompous asses on this forum would like to think.

You need meds.

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These kids are what? U8s? 9s? 10s? Who gives a ****? What's pathetic is that you taped this, posted it to YouTube and then put the link here. Hilarious!!!!

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Not when the ref is some quack who is clearly violating the LOTG many times during the game. The video points out one referee gaff but just touches the surface of many much worse calls in youth soccer. Not all parents are ignorant about the LOTG/ATG as some arrogant pompous asses on this forum would like to think.

Wrong. The video does not show a "gaffe". What is shows that in the judgment of the CR that the contact made by the defender did not rise to the level necessary to call a foul and in this case a PK. I see this type of play every game. The player with the ball runs into defensive players and falls over. This is typically not a foul. A defensive player has certain rights and an offensive player has certain responsibilities when they have the ball.

By the way a ref does not "violate" the LOTG. They interpret what they SEE on the field and the apply the LOTG. In most cases the official has very wide latitude given the way the LOTG are written. In any case it is a judgment call and there are many factors that most spectators do not understand that are in play.

Your just mad because your team lost. Losing clouds judgment on the sidelines. Officials are unburdened by such factors. I don't care who wins or loses. I am trying to maintain flow, keep the players safe, and as much as possible let natural play on the field free from my intervention decide the outcome of the game. The more games you do there is a trigger inside your head that tells you "that's a foul". If that mental reflex is not triggered? Then it is PLAY ON.

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Not when the ref is some quack who is clearly violating the LOTG many times during the game. The video points out one referee gaff but just touches the surface of many much worse calls in youth soccer. Not all parents are ignorant about the LOTG/ATG as some arrogant pompous asses on this forum would like to think.

Sorry bud but the game is very different from inside the touchline compared to the sidelines. I have nearly a thousand matches under my belt as a ref. I can honestly say when I was a fan on the sidelines that I was occasionally an idiot. There are a few bad officials but based on sideline behavior in MA you'd think every one was incompetent. This is not about the quality of officiating but the quality of character on the sidelines. Sadly, it is a dwindling commodity.

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As a coach for many years I don't worry about calls, mistakes happen, as do mistakes in coaching.

What I do is when we are scrimmaging is make incorrect calls so the kid can react to the call and make adjustments instead of arquing with the ref or subconsciencly making a call themselves.

after a couple of practices this way the kids figure it out and are not surpised on game day by what they think is a bad call....The kid whose parent screams the loudest about bad calls is generally the last to break the bad habit of "officiating while playing"...some parents will complain for weeks about a lousy ref really polluting the minds of their chidren.

At the younger age groups you have younger refs who are learning. The reason for putting these refs there is that the games really don't matter too much, except in the minds of the parents.

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Wrong. The video does not show a "gaffe". What is shows that in the judgment of the CR that the contact made by the defender did not rise to the level necessary to call a foul and in this case a PK. I see this type of play every game. The player with the ball runs into defensive players and falls over. This is typically not a foul. A defensive player has certain rights and an offensive player has certain responsibilities when they have the ball.

By the way a ref does not "violate" the LOTG. They interpret what they SEE on the field and the apply the LOTG. In most cases the official has very wide latitude given the way the LOTG are written. In any case it is a judgment call and there are many factors that most spectators do not understand that are in play.

Your just mad because your team lost. Losing clouds judgment on the sidelines. Officials are unburdened by such factors. I don't care who wins or loses. I am trying to maintain flow, keep the players safe, and as much as possible let natural play on the field free from my intervention decide the outcome of the game. The more games you do there is a trigger inside your head that tells you "that's a foul". If that mental reflex is not triggered? Then it is PLAY ON.

not the OP or a parent. As a ref for many years, this one is a matter of interpretation. I see the defender trip the opponent, you see the opponent running into the defender. It's a call. Also,you make it sound like all refs are game agnostic. Sometimes ref bias against the team or a player (or a coach) is a factor too- one example of that is a recent poster who refs games with a bias about South Americans diving.

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not the OP or a parent. As a ref for many years, this one is a matter of interpretation. I see the defender trip the opponent, you see the opponent running into the defender. It's a call. Also,you make it sound like all refs are game agnostic. Sometimes ref bias against the team or a player (or a coach) is a factor too- one example of that is a recent poster who refs games with a bias about South Americans diving.

My issue is with the age group in this video is that IF you make this call you have set a really low bar for fouls given the low level of coordination and skill. Some people want the game called differently in the box. I strongly disagree with that. Pointing out that certain nationalities have a propensity for diving is tricky. Personally I don't think it is a South American thing. That being said I find that diving is more prevalent among players for whom english is not a first language. As an official I view diving as a bad habit and a stupid habit. It hurts your team more than it helps. A much bigger problem is players with the ball who are out of control and that run into a defender and then expect a foul to be called. Not gonna happen.

What you view as bias is nothing more than one team taking liberty with the LOTG and an official trying to reign them in. Before becoming an official I always wondered if I would have problems with bias. I frequently referee games that involve teams from my home team. I try to be a professional and get the calls right. If you do that there is no chance that you will be biased.

For the video posted? The official COULD have called a PK but I support his decision to let play continue. It makes for a better game and if there is doubt that a foul was committed you are better off holding the whistle. I also understand the parents bias. They want the call because they want to win. The official does not have this luxury.

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http://www.ussoccer.com/News/Referee...w-Week-21.aspx

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My issue is with the age group in this video is that IF you make this call you have set a really low bar for fouls given the low level of coordination and skill. Some people want the game called differently in the box. I strongly disagree with that. Pointing out that certain nationalities have a propensity for diving is tricky. Personally I don't think it is a South American thing. That being said I find that diving is more prevalent among players for whom english is not a first language. As an official I view diving as a bad habit and a stupid habit. It hurts your team more than it helps. A much bigger problem is players with the ball who are out of control and that run into a defender and then expect a foul to be called. Not gonna happen.

What you view as bias is nothing more than one team taking liberty with the LOTG and an official trying to reign them in. Before becoming an official I always wondered if I would have problems with bias. I frequently referee games that involve teams from my home team. I try to be a professional and get the calls right. If you do that there is no chance that you will be biased.

For the video posted? The official COULD have called a PK but I support his decision to let play continue. It makes for a better game and if there is doubt that a foul was committed you are better off holding the whistle. I also understand the parents bias. They want the call because they want to win. The official does not have this luxury.

My issue with the origin of this thread is that some sour-puss parent actually took this video tape and put it on Youtube to complain about a call in a U11/U12 game in a pre-season tournament (one of several) in Massachusetts. Do you think that it was his kid on the team that he feels was treated wrong??

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My issue with the origin of this thread is that some sour-puss parent actually took this video tape and put it on Youtube to complain about a call in a U11/U12 game in a pre-season tournament (one of several) in Massachusetts. Do you think that it was his kid on the team that he feels was treated wrong??

It really is sick.
Ref is doing his job. Dressed appropriately. Behaving professionally. Putting in the effort to respect the kids and the game.
He makes a judgement call from a decent position.
The players get on with life and are having a great time.

But some helicopter parent who thinks the score of this game will matter at his next cocktail party has to spoil an otherwise perfect day by posting his disagreement on the internet. SICK!

There are lots of terrible youth referees out there.
There are lots of good youth referees out there who make horrendous decisions now and then.
This is not an example of either.
It's just some idiot who cannot let the kids have their space. SICK!!!

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My issue with the origin of this thread is that some sour-puss parent actually took this video tape and put it on Youtube to complain about a call in a U11/U12 game in a pre-season tournament (one of several) in Massachusetts. Do you think that it was his kid on the team that he feels was treated wrong??

Not the OP. Nothing wrong with posting this video and "complaining" about this call. This is a soccer forum isn't it? If the person did not post the video and described the play would it be any different? This thread resulted in good discussion and hopefully many learned that the call could have gone either way and learned more about LOTG 12 and it's interpretation. And maybe the OP and other parents learned that yelling out to the ref from the sidelines is not necessarily the right thing to do. This is the 21st century. Taking videos and posting on youtube is a piece of cake. There are many similar videos on the web. It's all in the spirit of improving soccer in this region. Move on.

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Not the OP. Nothing wrong with posting this video and "complaining" about this call. This is a soccer forum isn't it? If the person did not post the video and described the play would it be any different? This thread resulted in good discussion and hopefully many learned that the call could have gone either way and learned more about LOTG 12 and it's interpretation. And maybe the OP and other parents learned that yelling out to the ref from the sidelines is not necessarily the right thing to do. This is the 21st century. Taking videos and posting on youtube is a piece of cake. There are many similar videos on the web. It's all in the spirit of improving soccer in this region. Move on.

If we are talking about a high school varsity game, I might agree with you but once again we are talking about elementary school children here. No wonder why our sport sucks so much in this country. All these "pre-season tournaments", paying thousands of dollars to play a game......I am going to develop a foreign accent myself to make some money.

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Not the OP. Nothing wrong with posting this video and "complaining" about this call. This is a soccer forum isn't it? If the person did not post the video and described the play would it be any different? This thread resulted in good discussion and hopefully many learned that the call could have gone either way and learned more about LOTG 12 and it's interpretation. And maybe the OP and other parents learned that yelling out to the ref from the sidelines is not necessarily the right thing to do. This is the 21st century. Taking videos and posting on youtube is a piece of cake. There are many similar videos on the web. It's all in the spirit of improving soccer in this region. Move on.

Agreed.

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Middle school (U12) . I learned quite a lot from this thread and showed it to my U12 son (video) and described the nuances. He understood and appreciated that it's not as clear cut as it seems. I think posting this and the good input from referees after that was well worth it.