Dismal NEP league Refs - RED & YELLOWS

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I saw a Nep game this weekend and it was worse than any maple game that i have seen in the last 8 years. U-13 boys at least 5 maybe 6 yellows.

I think ref was good, coach should been gone and maybe 2 reds for his players
So please don't make this a league thing and say you only gonna ref different leagues and Maple is worse because if i am correct the refs doing Maple, Nep, region one, are all one just different hats that day.

Nep is the same as any league no different from Maple was curios to see game because of zero policy (what a laugh).

After game opposing coach told ref to report the other coach to league.

But topic was how to teach our younger generation to be better refs.
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Should have its own thread
also from other thread



I saw a Nep game this weekend and it was worse than any maple game that i have seen in the last 8 years. U-13 boys at least 5 maybe 6 yellows.

I think ref was good, coach should been gone and maybe 2 reds for his players
So please don't make this a league thing and say you only gonna ref different leagues and Maple is worse because if i am correct the refs doing Maple, Nep, region one, are all one just different hats that day.

Nep is the same as any league no different from Maple was curios to see game because of zero policy (what a laugh).

After game opposing coach told ref to report the other coach to league.

But topic was how to teach our younger generation to be better refs.
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Make up your mind. In your second line, you stated "I think ref was good.."
While I don't doubt that the NEP is another league, you have written only your opinion of a game for which you saw, but now want us to either accept your opinion as truth and/or comment on it.
It is possible that in another persons eyes the yellows were appropriate and reds were unecessary.

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Make up your mind. In your second line, you stated "I think ref was good.."
While I don't doubt that the NEP is another league, you have written only your opinion of a game for which you saw, but now want us to either accept your opinion as truth and/or comment on it.
It is possible that in another persons eyes the yellows were appropriate and reds were unecessary.

The only eyes that matter are the ones that gave out the Red's....

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Should have its own thread
also from other thread



I saw a Nep game this weekend and it was worse than any maple game that i have seen in the last 8 years. U-13 boys at least 5 maybe 6 yellows.

I think ref was good, coach should been gone and maybe 2 reds for his players
So please don't make this a league thing and say you only gonna ref different leagues and Maple is worse because if i am correct the refs doing Maple, Nep, region one, are all one just different hats that day.

Nep is the same as any league no different from Maple was curios to see game because of zero policy (what a laugh).

After game opposing coach told ref to report the other coach to league.

But topic was how to teach our younger generation to be better refs.
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There's the difference between NEP and Maple right there - the officiating. Better officiating will eventually lead to better soccer.

IIRC this was part of the NEP mission - to improve the officiating. Guaranteed the league will not tolerate bad behavior from teams and coaches.

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There's the difference between NEP and Maple right there - the officiating. Better officiating will eventually lead to better soccer.

IIRC this was part of the NEP mission - to improve the officiating. Guaranteed the league will not tolerate bad behavior from teams and coaches.

The REFS come from the same pool in the state of mass.
So TOWN, NEP, MAPLE, MTOC, STATE CUP, High School, Bays... will not matter they will still be same people. The pool of REFS in the state is in poor shape because we have so many soccer player in mass. Some 180,000 youth soccer players hit the fields each weekend in Mass.

REF's will continue to Suck until people in US actual learn to have passion for the game. Most of the refs in US, (NOT ALL) just do it for the money, not the love of the game. They really do not care if they REF soccer, hockey, baseball, lacrosse just as long as some cash is attached to it.

The girls/boys at Dunkin Donuts would make better REF's because most of them actually watch soccer, and are passionate about soccer. If I were a betting lady I would guess that 80% of all soccer REFS last night were watching the Bruins.

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The REFS come from the same pool in the state of mass.
So TOWN, NEP, MAPLE, MTOC, STATE CUP, High School, Bays... will not matter they will still be same people. The pool of REFS in the state is in poor shape because we have so many soccer player in mass. Some 180,000 youth soccer players hit the fields each weekend in Mass.

REF's will continue to Suck until people in US actual learn to have passion for the game. Most of the refs in US, (NOT ALL) just do it for the money, not the love of the game. They really do not care if they REF soccer, hockey, baseball, lacrosse just as long as some cash is attached to it.

The girls/boys at Dunkin Donuts would make better REF's because most of them actually watch soccer, and are passionate about soccer. If I were a betting lady I would guess that 80% of all soccer REFS last night were watching the Bruins.

What you don't seem to understand is that the environment a league create dictates the direction development takes. It's true of both soccer players and referees. They must be allowed to learn from their mistakes. Having a adult screaming at you that you are a blooming idiot does not create an atmosphere for learning anything.

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What you don't seem to understand is that the environment a league create dictates the direction development takes. It's true of both soccer players and referees. They must be allowed to learn from their mistakes. Having a adult screaming at you that you are a blooming idiot does not create an atmosphere for learning anything.

well said.

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There's the difference between NEP and Maple right there - the officiating. Better officiating will eventually lead to better soccer.

IIRC this was part of the NEP mission - to improve the officiating. Guaranteed the league will not tolerate bad behavior from teams and coaches.

You have it backwards. Better soccer means better Officiating. The less need to call fouls, the less skilled a Referee is needed. If coaches , and their parent enablers, spent more time building skills, tactical awareness and composure, the more beautiful the game becomes. Matches that contain constant violations of the LOTG is a behavioral issue with the players, set forth by environmental influences.The Referee is only the judge of that behavior, and the lesser part of the environmental influence.

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You have it backwards. Better soccer means better Officiating. The less need to call fouls, the less skilled a Referee is needed. If coaches , and their parent enablers, spent more time building skills, tactical awareness and composure, the more beautiful the game becomes. Matches that contain constant violations of the LOTG is a behavioral issue with the players, set forth by environmental influences.The Referee is only the judge of that behavior, and the lesser part of the environmental influence.

Problem is coaches coming in to NEP, are the most over the top group of ego in the state of mass. They drive the competitive bus, it will not change because they will still want their players to play at a high level. This will enable them, to play less matches with the younger teams, so they can compete on the regional level with the older teams. Parents, and players will be the losers in this switch.

When the EGO's are playing current NEP teams (made up of average town players or maple drop outs) the coaches will be able to sit down under an umbrella, and update their face book accounts on how bad the opponents are.

With out ever worrying about the out come, but when they play each other, IT WILL BE WAR.!! They all want the best players and the best players go to the winning teams.
So it will be more of the same. People who are clueless screaming at the refs

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Problem is coaches coming in to NEP, are the most over the top group of ego in the state of mass. They drive the competitive bus, it will not change because they will still want their players to play at a high level. This will enable them, to play less matches with the younger teams, so they can compete on the regional level with the older teams. Parents, and players will be the losers in this switch.

When the EGO's are playing current NEP teams (made up of average town players or maple drop outs) the coaches will be able to sit down under an umbrella, and update their face book accounts on how bad the opponents are.

With out ever worrying about the out come, but when they play each other, IT WILL BE WAR.!! They all want the best players and the best players go to the winning teams.
So it will be more of the same. People who are clueless screaming at the refs

Most of the coaches, a lot of the players and all of the parents.

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You have it backwards. Better soccer means better Officiating. The less need to call fouls, the less skilled a Referee is needed. If coaches , and their parent enablers, spent more time building skills, tactical awareness and composure, the more beautiful the game becomes. Matches that contain constant violations of the LOTG is a behavioral issue with the players, set forth by environmental influences.The Referee is only the judge of that behavior, and the lesser part of the environmental influence.

Unfortunately, the problem isn't constant violations of the LOTG but a general atmosphere of tolerated or encouraged thuggishness that serves to reward aggressive play and "hustling," at the expense of calmer, tactical play. Everyone spends all of their time in the same little part of the field knocking each other. Since many officials at every level either don't know or don't care to know the difference between appropriate shoulder to shoulder contact and a two-handed shove in the back, I consider them highly complicit in this. If more fouls were called, especially at younger ages, I think it would make a huge difference in the quality of play.

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Unfortunately, the problem isn't constant violations of the LOTG but a general atmosphere of tolerated or encouraged thuggishness that serves to reward aggressive play and "hustling," at the expense of calmer, tactical play. Everyone spends all of their time in the same little part of the field knocking each other. Since many officials at every level either don't know or don't care to know the difference between appropriate shoulder to shoulder contact and a two-handed shove in the back, I consider them highly complicit in this. If more fouls were called, especially at younger ages, I think it would make a huge difference in the quality of play.

That's a coaching issue. Since the standard for success in Youth Soccer is winning, it puts pressure on children. If you start teaching the corect skill sets at early ages, the incidents of thuggish play become less and less. But we have higher competition , and standings at younger and younger ages. The environment itself is largely reponsible for the inappropriate behavior. Disciple is not correcting something that is wrong. Discipline is developing the skills to understand and avoid incorrect behavior.

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That's a coaching issue. Since the standard for success in Youth Soccer is winning, it puts pressure on children. If you start teaching the corect skill sets at early ages, the incidents of thuggish play become less and less. But we have higher competition , and standings at younger and younger ages. The environment itself is largely reponsible for the inappropriate behavior. Disciple is not correcting something that is wrong. Discipline is developing the skills to understand and avoid incorrect behavior.

I don't do U12 often, but I got called to do one last fall. Two really good teams.

At half-time, the coach of the team that was smaller meets me at the touchline:
"Look, I know they are learning. But they are pushing my kids every time they get the ball. I don't let my kids play that way. If you don't enforce the laws, how will they ever learn. Please, just do your job."

Well, I was taken aback. I thought everything was perfectly innocent. Maybe I was letting too much go for the little ones??? What was I missing? I wander over to the drinking fountain with my ARs asking them what they saw....nothing.

On my way back to the field, I hear the same coach lecturing his team: "Use your elbow if you have to. Don't be such a whimp!"

Sheesh!

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You have it backwards. Better soccer means better Officiating. The less need to call fouls, the less skilled a Referee is needed. If coaches , and their parent enablers, spent more time building skills, tactical awareness and composure, the more beautiful the game becomes. Matches that contain constant violations of the LOTG is a behavioral issue with the players, set forth by environmental influences.The Referee is only the judge of that behavior, and the lesser part of the environmental influence.

Sorry, I still disagree. Referees that swallow their whistles or blow it too often do nothing for the game. MLS maybe getting better, but to me it looks like roller derby on grass with a ball. That is the fault of the officials. And then we wonder why Spain kicks the US bench's ***? Ever see the difference between the way they call the games in La Liga compared to the EPL? Officiating dictates the style of play.

MLS = roller derby on grass
EPL = fast and physical
La Liga = technical soccer

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That's a coaching issue. Since the standard for success in Youth Soccer is winning, it puts pressure on children. If you start teaching the corect skill sets at early ages, the incidents of thuggish play become less and less. But we have higher competition , and standings at younger and younger ages. The environment itself is largely reponsible for the inappropriate behavior. Disciple is not correcting something that is wrong. Discipline is developing the skills to understand and avoid incorrect behavior.

It's NOT just a coaching issue. The center ref at every level has tremendous leeway in deciding what will be tolerated and what won't be. In every sport at every level, the competitors will attempt to gain any advantage they can get away with, if only because they get caught up in the heat of the moment. If you keep score, people want to win. Ever try to convince 5 or 6 year olds that there's no winner in their game? If thuggish play is tolerated by the match officials and if it helps to win a game (and it can very quickly narrow a gap in skill), the players will inevitably play that way.