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OMG!

No dissent? Do you ever referee competitive HS age (or older) boys/men?

No reds for a few years?
No second yellows? No violent tackles? No Foul and Abusive Language? No DOGSO?
Really?

What level do you referee?

All ages, from say U-11 to Adult men. HS
No reds for at least 3 years.
No second yellows that I can remember.

All true. I Referee around 75 or so outdoor games a year, some as AR, for over a decade.

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All ages, from say U-11 to Adult men. HS
No reds for at least 3 years.
No second yellows that I can remember.

All true. I Referee around 75 or so outdoor games a year, some as AR, for over a decade.

OK, well I understand that any kind of card is unusual until HS, but still....
I would love to hear more. This just doesn't square with all the soccer games I have played in, coached, reffed, watched over the last 40 years.

Here are the disciplinary stats from the last WC:
Average yellow cards per match: 4.07
Average 1 red card every 4 matches

That seems about normal for the highest levels to me (maybe even a little light on the yellows?). Certainly less intense levels of play would demand fewer bookings....
But all the way to 0 out of 215 for reds?
Not a single DOGSO?
No violent tackles in 3 years???
No one lost their temper and cursed at you? (Just last week I had a 16 yr old girl curse me in Spanish - I'm a gringo. I just called a foul on her teammate, who had no complaint. She was very surprised when I red carded her. "I didn't think you spoke Spanish" LOL! Ooops!)

Seriously, I just don't understand.

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OK, well I understand that any kind of card is unusual until HS, but still....
I would love to hear more. This just doesn't square with all the soccer games I have played in, coached, reffed, watched over the last 40 years.

Here are the disciplinary stats from the last WC:
Average yellow cards per match: 4.07
Average 1 red card every 4 matches

That seems about normal for the highest levels to me (maybe even a little light on the yellows?). Certainly less intense levels of play would demand fewer bookings....
But all the way to 0 out of 215 for reds?
Not a single DOGSO?
No violent tackles in 3 years???
No one lost their temper and cursed at you? (Just last week I had a 16 yr old girl curse me in Spanish - I'm a gringo. I just called a foul on her teammate, who had no complaint. She was very surprised when I red carded her. "I didn't think you spoke Spanish" LOL! Ooops!)

Seriously, I just don't understand.

Okay, I want to be clear that I don't want this thread to be all about me, and my experience. My intent is to only use my experience as contributing support material for my views and opinions.

Much of what you imply just does not happen in the games I referee. Maybe I am indeed very lucky, very skilled, or a combination of both. I am not pulling your leg.

Let me just say that I enjoy what I do tremendously, and that may have something to do with it.

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Okay, I want to be clear that I don't want this thread to be all about me, and my experience. My intent is to only use my experience as contributing support material for my views and opinions.

Much of what you imply just does not happen in the games I referee. Maybe I am indeed very lucky, very skilled, or a combination of both. I am not pulling your leg.

Let me just say that I enjoy what I do tremendously, and that may have something to do with it.

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my son reffed a game which had a majority of Brazilians on it. He recarded the coach and a striker for dissent and swearing at him.

He is blond and blue eyed, didn't know he played 8 years on a Brazilian team and college roomate was from Brazil...Thanks for that memory.

I of course had to tell the Coach his mistake

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Okay, I want to be clear that I don't want this thread to be all about me, and my experience. My intent is to only use my experience as contributing support material for my views and opinions.

Much of what you imply just does not happen in the games I referee. Maybe I am indeed very lucky, very skilled, or a combination of both. I am not pulling your leg.

Let me just say that I enjoy what I do tremendously, and that may have something to do with it.

I've been reffing USSF for 20 yrs.
I stayed away from NFHSA until 4 yrs ago.
Let's just say I had certain issues with some of their policies.
Well, I got through this HS season with 0 reds! First time ever!
Some of that had to do with the way HS treats the 2nd yellow, some had to do with the fact that kids and coaches get fined for ejections, some of it was just good luck.

I had similar hopes for the spring tournament season. No such luck.
I have already been involved in several games where the players use cards as tactical weapons. I could hear it in the way they were coached and see it in their eyes as referees (myself and others) made their decisions.

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Okay, I want to be clear that I don't want this thread to be all about me, and my experience. My intent is to only use my experience as contributing support material for my views and opinions.

Much of what you imply just does not happen in the games I referee. Maybe I am indeed very lucky, very skilled, or a combination of both. I am not pulling your leg.

Let me just say that I enjoy what I do tremendously, and that may have something to do with it.

I don't want to give cards at the younger levels but have absolutely no hesitation in giving them if necessary. At the U14 level I carded one player two times in an indoor winter session with red cards for a cleats up slide tackle directly into the goalies mid section. This was after being warned multiple times for ankle swipes from behind and excessive force on the field. The verbal warnings did work, so............

This year I probably gave out 10 blues and yellows (no reds) for U14's over the course of probably 125 games. Half were in one game last week. Generally it is sending off two players at the same time who are raising the temperature of the game.

In the adult leagues it varies. Some teams I have done for 4 years without so much as a verbal warning. One team just can't keep it's mouth shut and I carded 4 players with red's in succession for dissent that veered into verbal threats. I then stopped the game with 15 minutes left. Some officials let this team play over the line, others such as myself do not and as time goes on I hold them to a tighter and tighter standard. Eventually they will either get bounced from the league or they will keep their mouths shut and learn a little sportsmanship. Other teams have thanked me for keeping them in line. Nobody wants to play them. Their attitude in general is that because I was born in the US that I don't have the same birthright to the game that they do because they were born closer to the Equator. That is nonsense. Most of them do not even know half of the LOTG.

As for officials confronting me? Has never happened. I have had a few come up to me (including last week) and thank me for my efforts and to tell me that I did a good job under trying circumstances. That means alot to me and I have done the same as a player and spectator.

The bottom line is that respect for the game goes in many different directions and blaming officials for your team's performance is the sign of a weak coach who is looking for excuses for his teams difficulties as opposed to solutions.

- Cujo

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I don't want to give cards at the younger levels but have absolutely no hesitation in giving them if necessary. At the U14 level I carded one player two times in an indoor winter session with red cards for a cleats up slide tackle directly into the goalies mid section. This was after being warned multiple times for ankle swipes from behind and excessive force on the field. The verbal warnings did work, so............

This year I probably gave out 10 blues and yellows (no reds) for U14's over the course of probably 125 games. Half were in one game last week. Generally it is sending off two players at the same time who are raising the temperature of the game.

In the adult leagues it varies. Some teams I have done for 4 years without so much as a verbal warning. One team just can't keep it's mouth shut and I carded 4 players with red's in succession for dissent that veered into verbal threats. I then stopped the game with 15 minutes left. Some officials let this team play over the line, others such as myself do not and as time goes on I hold them to a tighter and tighter standard. Eventually they will either get bounced from the league or they will keep their mouths shut and learn a little sportsmanship. Other teams have thanked me for keeping them in line. Nobody wants to play them. Their attitude in general is that because I was born in the US that I don't have the same birthright to the game that they do because they were born closer to the Equator. That is nonsense. Most of them do not even know half of the LOTG.

As for officials confronting me? Has never happened. I have had a few come up to me (including last week) and thank me for my efforts and to tell me that I did a good job under trying circumstances. That means alot to me and I have done the same as a player and spectator.

The bottom line is that respect for the game goes in many different directions and blaming officials for your team's performance is the sign of a weak coach who is looking for excuses for his teams difficulties as opposed to solutions.

- Cujo

When I first started reffing HS age boys, I was reluctant to pull my cards.
It was as if I was saying someone was immoral or an incompetent player by showing a yellow. Well, let's just say I don't feel that way anymore. There are plenty of games where a well placed yellow does EVERYONE (including the player receiving it) a lot of good.

The classic one for me is U16B tied at half time. The coaches get into the players at halftime and they come out trying to prove they listened. Sometimes the best thing for everyone is a yellow that draws the line firmly in the sand. After that, everyone knows exactly what the speed limit is and can play to it.

Sorry for the mixed metaphors....gotta get back to work LOL!

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When I first started reffing HS age boys, I was reluctant to pull my cards.
It was as if I was saying someone was immoral or an incompetent player by showing a yellow. Well, let's just say I don't feel that way anymore. There are plenty of games where a well placed yellow does EVERYONE (including the player receiving it) a lot of good.

The classic one for me is U16B tied at half time. The coaches get into the players at halftime and they come out trying to prove they listened. Sometimes the best thing for everyone is a yellow that draws the line firmly in the sand. After that, everyone knows exactly what the speed limit is and can play to it.

Sorry for the mixed metaphors....gotta get back to work LOL!

I have had HS players apologize for hard fouls that have drawn yellows. I always tell them that there is no need to apologize. Sometimes a player has to do what they have to do. It is part of the game. I can't criticize a player for things that I have done as a player. I didn't get many cards in HS but when I got them I sure as heck earned them.

- Cujo

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I've been reffing USSF for 20 yrs.
I stayed away from NFHSA until 4 yrs ago.
Let's just say I had certain issues with some of their policies.
Well, I got through this HS season with 0 reds! First time ever!
Some of that had to do with the way HS treats the 2nd yellow, some had to do with the fact that kids and coaches get fined for ejections, some of it was just good luck.

I had similar hopes for the spring tournament season. No such luck.
I have already been involved in several games where the players use cards as tactical weapons. I could hear it in the way they were coached and see it in their eyes as referees (myself and others) made their decisions.

Where do you officiate HS? North, South, Central, West. Just curious. What problems did you encounter? I ask because I am a high school coach, had coached and played club and ODP and let's just say the excuses I find for awful assignments, officiating in our area no longer defensable.

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One of the problems with HS refs is an old boy network and the games are in the afternoon when most are working. A lot of the refs justcan not keep up with highs school kids.

This has resulted in 2 officials working the game instead of 3, I find this unbelievable consider U14 11 v 11 games in town soccer have three refs.

Refs also do not like to give out cards because there are odious game penalties for accumlation of cards.

The noise from the stands and sidelines can be very abusive to the refs also which does not make for a good work enviroment. Amazing in the state playoffs how much better the reffing is when they go to 3 officals.

The players should learn that there will be a lot of bad calls and react to the calls instead of complaining, in intersquad scrimmages if the coach intenially makes bad calls the kids will get used to it. To me complaining leads to more bad calls and more makeup calls when there has been a bad call.

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Where do you officiate HS? North, South, Central, West. Just curious. What problems did you encounter? I ask because I am a high school coach, had coached and played club and ODP and let's just say the excuses I find for awful assignments, officiating in our area no longer defensable.

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One of the problems with HS refs is an old boy network and the games are in the afternoon when most are working. A lot of the refs justcan not keep up with highs school kids.

This has resulted in 2 officials working the game instead of 3, I find this unbelievable consider U14 11 v 11 games in town soccer have three refs.

Refs also do not like to give out cards because there are odious game penalties for accumlation of cards.

The noise from the stands and sidelines can be very abusive to the refs also which does not make for a good work enviroment. Amazing in the state playoffs how much better the reffing is when they go to 3 officals.

The players should learn that there will be a lot of bad calls and react to the calls instead of complaining, in intersquad scrimmages if the coach intenially makes bad calls the kids will get used to it. To me complaining leads to more bad calls and more makeup calls when there has been a bad call.

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The " old boy network " exists in almost every aspect of society. From Police forces, to Municipal jobs, to business, etc. Networking , contacts, "its who you know ",etc. all of that is life as we know it in 21 st Century America.

3:30 or 4 PM in the afternoon is when most people are working for a living. There are a limited number of qualified people, and even less fit people, available. Maybe if more games were scheduled for nightgames, or on weekends, that would change.

Then there is the cost factor. With strained budgets, schools just can't afford to pay three offficails for every game. In many states, the fees are associated with Teacher's contracts, so each year they may rise accordingly.

Generalizing on why, or why not cards are given out is speculative , and not based on any hard evidence. A as HS referee, I don't let anything influence my decisions, in any manner.

U 14 Town soccer games have three refs, and they can be as young as a year or two above the player's age. Most states require HS referees to be over 18.

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The " old boy network " exists in almost every aspect of society. From Police forces, to Municipal jobs, to business, etc. Networking , contacts, "its who you know ",etc. all of that is life as we know it in 21 st Century America.

3:30 or 4 PM in the afternoon is when most people are working for a living. There are a limited number of qualified people, and even less fit people, available. Maybe if more games were scheduled for nightgames, or on weekends, that would change.

Then there is the cost factor. With strained budgets, schools just can't afford to pay three offficails for every game. In many states, the fees are associated with Teacher's contracts, so each year they may rise accordingly.

Generalizing on why, or why not cards are given out is speculative , and not based on any hard evidence. A as HS referee, I don't let anything influence my decisions, in any manner.

U 14 Town soccer games have three refs, and they can be as young as a year or two above the player's age. Most states require HS referees to be over 18.

Not where I am at, We have mostly night games.

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Any ramifications of the NB outburst?

Anyone on team know what they told the parents?

How many parents asked to have him removed as coach of the team?