Why do we suck compared to florida and california?

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Our number one team/s always seem to be beaten by the middle of the crop teams from florida why>

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Because our best players waste each Fall on high school soccer, where they start to play like crap. The best kids in Florida and California play club year round.

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Because our best players waste each Fall on high school soccer, where they start to play like crap. The best kids in Florida and California play club year round.

Not true.

I live in FL.
HS soccer is very big down here.
But we do play soccer (or whatever sport you choose) 11 months a year. We only take off July to go to the beach. So, we get pretty good at sports.
Of course there is a price to pay. With all that time spent on the sports fields, our kids can barely read or write.

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Numbers?

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Weather for year round play, larger population and a much large immigrant, soccer player population.

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Our number one team/s always seem to be beaten by the middle of the crop teams from florida why>

Who are you talking about? What teams? Florida dosen't stand out in my mind or experience. California and Texas do.

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Who are you talking about? What teams? Florida dosen't stand out in my mind or experience. California and Texas do.

I'm the FL guy again.
This sentiment is the one I hear all the time.
CA and TX have the best teams.
It is sometimes said that FL produces the most top players, but never the most top teams. And that is usually attributed to the overpopulation of clubs down here. There are literally hundreds of clubs in this state.


BTW, as for the immigrant influence...
Despite our reputation for having a strong Mexican influence on our population (largely do to the agricultural economy), our clubs are mostly lilly white. Very noticeable pay-for-play influence. It's a shame in my opinion. If anything, the immigrant influence that you see here is in the coaching staffs. Our clubs employ immigrants from all over the world!

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Florida creates the biggest number of top players? Not for girls. There may be a disproportionate number of Florida players that play for in-state Florida college programs, but that will change as the Bright Futures program is de-emphasized. It has always been surprising that Florida (with its population and weather advantages) hasn't been better in soccer.

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Florida creates the biggest number of top players? Not for girls. There may be a disproportionate number of Florida players that play for in-state Florida college programs, but that will change as the Bright Futures program is de-emphasized. It has always been surprising that Florida (with its population and weather advantages) hasn't been better in soccer.

**Who says we suck? Is not BC playing in the final 4 Friday? How many kids from california are on BC's Roster(1?):
No. Name Cl. Pos. Ht. High School/Hometown
1 Victoria DiMartino So. F 5-7 Massapequa/Massapequa Park, NY
2 Chelsea Regan Sr. M/D 5-7 Bridgewater-Raritan/Raritan, NJ
3 Maddie Payne So. F 5-3 St. Francis High/Menlo Park, CA
4 Jackie Vaccari Fr. F 5-7 The Gilbert School/ Torrington CT
5 Marissa Mello Jr. M 5-3 Somerset/Somerset, MA
6 Alyssa Pember Jr. D 5-7 Northport/Northport, NY
7 Amy Caldwell Sr. F/D 5-3 Braintree/Braintree, MA
8 Morgan Hiler So. D/M 5-11 St. Joseph’s/South Bend, IN
9 Natalie Crutchfield Sr. F/M 5-2 Acton-Boxboro/Acton, MA
10 Gibby Wagner Fr. M/F 5-6 Wall High School/Wall, NJ
11 Hannah Cerrone Sr. M/D 5-4 Roy C. Ketcham/Wappingers Falls, NY
12 Julia Bouchelle Jr. M 5-5 Notre Dame Prep/Cockeysville, MD
13 Alicia M. Blose So. DM 5-6 Tamalpais High/Mill Valley, CA
15 Jillian MacNeil Sr. F/M 5-0 Archbishop Williams/Marshfield, MA
16 Brooke Knowlton Sr. F 5-9 Niskayuna/Rexford, NY
17 Alaina Beyar Jr. F 5-5 South Side/Staten Island, NY
18 Patrice Vettori Fr. M 5-6 Dedham/Dedham, MA
19 Kristen Mewis So. M 5-9 Whitman-Hanson/Hanson, MA
20 Zoe Lombard Fr. M 5-6 Palm Harbor University/Largo, Fla.
21 Kate McCarthy Fr. M/F 5-7 The Loomis Chaffee/Longmeadow, MA
22 Stephanie Wirth Jr. F 5-5 Morris Knolls/Denville, NJ
24 Rachel Davitt Fr. F/M 5-6 Ridge High/Basking Ridge, NJ
25 Jessica Mickelson Fr. GK 5-8 Amador Valley/Pleasanton, CA
30 Jillian Mastroianni Jr. GK 5-8 Choate Rosemary Hall/Durham, CT

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We live in VA. In my daughter's age group (U12) the Florida teams are not strong, with one or two execptions. I agree about CA and Michigan also has excellent teams in this age group. FLA...not so much.

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**Who says we suck? Is not BC playing in the final 4 Friday? How many kids from california are on BC's Roster(1?):
No. Name Cl. Pos. Ht. High School/Hometown
1 Victoria DiMartino So. F 5-7 Massapequa/Massapequa Park, NY
2 Chelsea Regan Sr. M/D 5-7 Bridgewater-Raritan/Raritan, NJ
3 Maddie Payne So. F 5-3 St. Francis High/Menlo Park, CA
4 Jackie Vaccari Fr. F 5-7 The Gilbert School/ Torrington CT
5 Marissa Mello Jr. M 5-3 Somerset/Somerset, MA
6 Alyssa Pember Jr. D 5-7 Northport/Northport, NY
7 Amy Caldwell Sr. F/D 5-3 Braintree/Braintree, MA
8 Morgan Hiler So. D/M 5-11 St. Joseph’s/South Bend, IN
9 Natalie Crutchfield Sr. F/M 5-2 Acton-Boxboro/Acton, MA
10 Gibby Wagner Fr. M/F 5-6 Wall High School/Wall, NJ
11 Hannah Cerrone Sr. M/D 5-4 Roy C. Ketcham/Wappingers Falls, NY
12 Julia Bouchelle Jr. M 5-5 Notre Dame Prep/Cockeysville, MD
13 Alicia M. Blose So. DM 5-6 Tamalpais High/Mill Valley, CA
15 Jillian MacNeil Sr. F/M 5-0 Archbishop Williams/Marshfield, MA
16 Brooke Knowlton Sr. F 5-9 Niskayuna/Rexford, NY
17 Alaina Beyar Jr. F 5-5 South Side/Staten Island, NY
18 Patrice Vettori Fr. M 5-6 Dedham/Dedham, MA
19 Kristen Mewis So. M 5-9 Whitman-Hanson/Hanson, MA
20 Zoe Lombard Fr. M 5-6 Palm Harbor University/Largo, Fla.
21 Kate McCarthy Fr. M/F 5-7 The Loomis Chaffee/Longmeadow, MA
22 Stephanie Wirth Jr. F 5-5 Morris Knolls/Denville, NJ
24 Rachel Davitt Fr. F/M 5-6 Ridge High/Basking Ridge, NJ
25 Jessica Mickelson Fr. GK 5-8 Amador Valley/Pleasanton, CA
30 Jillian Mastroianni Jr. GK 5-8 Choate Rosemary Hall/Durham, CT

Its a geographic thing, that's all. Try getting a kid from sunny, warm CA or FL to MA, it's very hard to do. Most of the MA players aren't huge contributors to the team though a few (KM and AC) certainly are. NY, CT and NJ players tend to be the big play makers and starting GK.

http://bceagles.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_...mulative-stats

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**Who says we suck? Is not BC playing in the final 4 Friday? How many kids from california are on BC's Roster(1?):
No. Name Cl. Pos. Ht. High School/Hometown
1 Victoria DiMartino So. F 5-7 Massapequa/Massapequa Park, NY
2 Chelsea Regan Sr. M/D 5-7 Bridgewater-Raritan/Raritan, NJ
3 Maddie Payne So. F 5-3 St. Francis High/Menlo Park, CA
4 Jackie Vaccari Fr. F 5-7 The Gilbert School/ Torrington CT
5 Marissa Mello Jr. M 5-3 Somerset/Somerset, MA
6 Alyssa Pember Jr. D 5-7 Northport/Northport, NY
7 Amy Caldwell Sr. F/D 5-3 Braintree/Braintree, MA
8 Morgan Hiler So. D/M 5-11 St. Joseph’s/South Bend, IN
9 Natalie Crutchfield Sr. F/M 5-2 Acton-Boxboro/Acton, MA
10 Gibby Wagner Fr. M/F 5-6 Wall High School/Wall, NJ
11 Hannah Cerrone Sr. M/D 5-4 Roy C. Ketcham/Wappingers Falls, NY
12 Julia Bouchelle Jr. M 5-5 Notre Dame Prep/Cockeysville, MD
13 Alicia M. Blose So. DM 5-6 Tamalpais High/Mill Valley, CA
15 Jillian MacNeil Sr. F/M 5-0 Archbishop Williams/Marshfield, MA
16 Brooke Knowlton Sr. F 5-9 Niskayuna/Rexford, NY
17 Alaina Beyar Jr. F 5-5 South Side/Staten Island, NY
18 Patrice Vettori Fr. M 5-6 Dedham/Dedham, MA
19 Kristen Mewis So. M 5-9 Whitman-Hanson/Hanson, MA
20 Zoe Lombard Fr. M 5-6 Palm Harbor University/Largo, Fla.
21 Kate McCarthy Fr. M/F 5-7 The Loomis Chaffee/Longmeadow, MA
22 Stephanie Wirth Jr. F 5-5 Morris Knolls/Denville, NJ
24 Rachel Davitt Fr. F/M 5-6 Ridge High/Basking Ridge, NJ
25 Jessica Mickelson Fr. GK 5-8 Amador Valley/Pleasanton, CA
30 Jillian Mastroianni Jr. GK 5-8 Choate Rosemary Hall/Durham, CT

Hmmm...I see a lot of girls from New England/NY/NJ. What was that comment about the weather? And these kids can read!

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Hmmm...I see a lot of girls from New England/NY/NJ. What was that comment about the weather? And these kids can read!

I think it means you are looking at the roster of a school from New England. DUH!

This is the FL guy again.
Look, I didn't say "I think" FL produces the best players. I only said that even people down here don't talk about FL producing the best TEAMS. Instead, they talk about trying to produce the best players...and there are some statistics that support the FL model (many small clubs instead of a few large clubs) producing a disproportionately large number of college level players given the population.

That said, CA is the hands down winner for producing elite players. No state comes close.

Take a look at the current rosters for the usmnt and uswnt. CA might as well have it's own teams. And second place goes to NJ of all places! lol Must be something going on with the girls up there???

Men
1 Howard, Tim GK 6-3 210 03/06/79 North Brunswick, N.J.
2 Spector, Jonathan D 6-0 180 03/01/86 Arlington Heights, Ill.
3 Bocanegra, Carlos D 6-0 170 05/25/79 Alta Loma, Calif.
4 Bradley, Michael M 6-2 175 07/31/87 Manhattan Beach, Calif.
5 Onyewu, Oguchi D 6-4 210 05/13/82 Olney, Md.
6 Cherundolo, Steve D 5-6 145 02/19/79 San Diego, Calif.
7 Beasley, DaMarcus M 5-8 145 05/24/82 Ft. Wayne, Ind.
8 Dempsey, Clint F 6-1 170 03/09/83 Nacogdoches, Texas
9 Gomez, Herculez F 5-10 165 04/06/82 Las Vegas, Nev.
10 Donovan, Landon M 5-8 158 03/04/82 Redlands, Calif.
11 Holden, Stuart M 5-10 160 08/01/85 Houston, Texas
12 Bornstein, Jonathan D 5-9 145 11/07/84 Los Alamitos, Calif.
13 Clark, Ricardo M 5-10 150 05/10/83 Jonesboro, Ga.
14 Buddle, Edson F 6-1 185 05/21/81 New Rochelle, N.Y.
15 DeMerit, Jay D 6-0 185 12/04/79 Green Bay, Wis.
16 Torres, José M 5-7 135 10/29/87 Longview, Texas
17 Altidore, Jozy F 6-1 175 11/06/89 Boca Raton, Fla.
18 Guzan, Brad GK 6-4 210 09/09/84 Homer Glen, Ill.
19 Edu, Maurice M 6-0 170 04/18/86 Fontana, Calif.
20 Findley, Robbie F 5-9 165 08/04/85 Phoenix, Ariz.
21 Goodson, Clarence D 6-4 170 05/17/82 Alexandria, Va.
22 Feilhaber, Benny M 5-9 150 01/19/85 Irvine, Calif.
23 Hahnemann, Marcus GK 6-3 220 06/15/72 Seattle, Wash.

Women
Averbuch, Yael M 5-10 11/03/86 Upper Montclair, N.J.
Barnhart, Nicole GK 5-10 10/10/81 Gilbertsville, Pa.
Boxx, Shannon M 5-8 06/29/77 Redondo Beach, Calif.
Buehler, Rachel D 5-5 08/26/85 Del Mar, Calif. FC
Cheney, Lauren F 5-8 09/30/87 Indianapolis, Ind.
Cox, Stephanie D 5-6 04/03/86 Elk Grove, Calif.
DiMartino, Tina M 5-2 11/06/86 Massapequa Park, N.Y.
Harris, Ashlyn GK 5-9 10/19/85 Satellite Beach, Fla.
Krieger, Ali D 5-6 07/28/84 Dumfries, Va.
LePeilbet, Amy D 5-7 03/12/82 Crystal Lake, Ill.
Lilly, Kristine M 5-4 07/22/71 Wilton, Conn. B
Lindsey, Lori M 5-5 03/19/80 Indianapolis, Ind.
Lloyd, Carli M 5-8 07/16/82 Delran, N.J.
Loyden, Jillian GK 5-10 05/25/85 Vineland, N.J.
Mitts, Heather D 5-5 06/09/78 Cincinnati, Ohio P
Morgan, Alex F 5-7 07/02/89 Diamond Bar, Calif.
O'Reilly, Heather M 5-5 01/02/85 East Brunswick, N.J.
Osborne, Leslie M 5-8 05/27/83 Brookfield, Wis.
Rampone, Christie D 5-6 06/24/75 Point Pleasant, N.J.
Rapinoe, Megan F 5-7 07/05/85 Redding, Calif.
Rodriguez, Amy F 5-4 02/17/87 Lake Forest, Calif.
Sauerbrunn, Becky D 5-7 06/06/85 St. Louis, Mo.
Tarpley, Lindsay M 5-6 09/22/83 Kalamazoo, Mich. Boston Breakers 119/30
Wambach, Abby F 5-11 06/02/80 Rochester, N.Y. Washington Freedom 147/117

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I think it means you are looking at the roster of a school from New England. DUH!

This is the FL guy again.
Look, I didn't say "I think" FL produces the best players. I only said that even people down here don't talk about FL producing the best TEAMS. Instead, they talk about trying to produce the best players...and there are some statistics that support the FL model (many small clubs instead of a few large clubs) producing a disproportionately large number of college level players given the population.

That said, CA is the hands down winner for producing elite players. No state comes close.

Take a look at the current rosters for the usmnt and uswnt. CA might as well have it's own teams. And second place goes to NJ of all places! lol Must be something going on with the girls up there???

Men
1 Howard, Tim GK 6-3 210 03/06/79 North Brunswick, N.J.
2 Spector, Jonathan D 6-0 180 03/01/86 Arlington Heights, Ill.
3 Bocanegra, Carlos D 6-0 170 05/25/79 Alta Loma, Calif.
4 Bradley, Michael M 6-2 175 07/31/87 Manhattan Beach, Calif.
5 Onyewu, Oguchi D 6-4 210 05/13/82 Olney, Md.
6 Cherundolo, Steve D 5-6 145 02/19/79 San Diego, Calif.
7 Beasley, DaMarcus M 5-8 145 05/24/82 Ft. Wayne, Ind.
8 Dempsey, Clint F 6-1 170 03/09/83 Nacogdoches, Texas
9 Gomez, Herculez F 5-10 165 04/06/82 Las Vegas, Nev.
10 Donovan, Landon M 5-8 158 03/04/82 Redlands, Calif.
11 Holden, Stuart M 5-10 160 08/01/85 Houston, Texas
12 Bornstein, Jonathan D 5-9 145 11/07/84 Los Alamitos, Calif.
13 Clark, Ricardo M 5-10 150 05/10/83 Jonesboro, Ga.
14 Buddle, Edson F 6-1 185 05/21/81 New Rochelle, N.Y.
15 DeMerit, Jay D 6-0 185 12/04/79 Green Bay, Wis.
16 Torres, José M 5-7 135 10/29/87 Longview, Texas
17 Altidore, Jozy F 6-1 175 11/06/89 Boca Raton, Fla.
18 Guzan, Brad GK 6-4 210 09/09/84 Homer Glen, Ill.
19 Edu, Maurice M 6-0 170 04/18/86 Fontana, Calif.
20 Findley, Robbie F 5-9 165 08/04/85 Phoenix, Ariz.
21 Goodson, Clarence D 6-4 170 05/17/82 Alexandria, Va.
22 Feilhaber, Benny M 5-9 150 01/19/85 Irvine, Calif.
23 Hahnemann, Marcus GK 6-3 220 06/15/72 Seattle, Wash.

Women
Averbuch, Yael M 5-10 11/03/86 Upper Montclair, N.J.
Barnhart, Nicole GK 5-10 10/10/81 Gilbertsville, Pa.
Boxx, Shannon M 5-8 06/29/77 Redondo Beach, Calif.
Buehler, Rachel D 5-5 08/26/85 Del Mar, Calif. FC
Cheney, Lauren F 5-8 09/30/87 Indianapolis, Ind.
Cox, Stephanie D 5-6 04/03/86 Elk Grove, Calif.
DiMartino, Tina M 5-2 11/06/86 Massapequa Park, N.Y.
Harris, Ashlyn GK 5-9 10/19/85 Satellite Beach, Fla.
Krieger, Ali D 5-6 07/28/84 Dumfries, Va.
LePeilbet, Amy D 5-7 03/12/82 Crystal Lake, Ill.
Lilly, Kristine M 5-4 07/22/71 Wilton, Conn. B
Lindsey, Lori M 5-5 03/19/80 Indianapolis, Ind.
Lloyd, Carli M 5-8 07/16/82 Delran, N.J.
Loyden, Jillian GK 5-10 05/25/85 Vineland, N.J.
Mitts, Heather D 5-5 06/09/78 Cincinnati, Ohio P
Morgan, Alex F 5-7 07/02/89 Diamond Bar, Calif.
O'Reilly, Heather M 5-5 01/02/85 East Brunswick, N.J.
Osborne, Leslie M 5-8 05/27/83 Brookfield, Wis.
Rampone, Christie D 5-6 06/24/75 Point Pleasant, N.J.
Rapinoe, Megan F 5-7 07/05/85 Redding, Calif.
Rodriguez, Amy F 5-4 02/17/87 Lake Forest, Calif.
Sauerbrunn, Becky D 5-7 06/06/85 St. Louis, Mo.
Tarpley, Lindsay M 5-6 09/22/83 Kalamazoo, Mich. Boston Breakers 119/30
Wambach, Abby F 5-11 06/02/80 Rochester, N.Y. Washington Freedom 147/117

That's what I meant when I said Florida doesn't standout, California and Texas do, although I should have said that for some reason Texas seems to have faded a bit, at least on the women's side. No surprise the number of women from from NJ either.

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As noted earlier we have alot of club play which dillutes the quality of teams in Florida. But if you look at the top players you'll see alot of kids from Florida. Katie Stengle, #1 rated Freshman in College, FL. Former UNC Goalie for 2009 national champions, National High Schoool Player of the Year: Florida girl. That is just 2 of Many. Oh Yea I forgot, Melbourne High School girls Rated by espn rise #1 in the Nation 2009/10. That school is in Florida. It is due to population. The more people you have to choose from the more quality you get. That is all. Same reason why HS football in better in Fl, Texas, California.