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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Before I respond to your post in detail, I would like to ask, and please be honest - have you been through the process yourself? Did or do you, or any of your children, play college ball, whether D1 or D3? I ask because many on the forum who are on the front side of the process act like the resume does the talking, as in "real projected starter/impact player at....." If you have a child in the college game, I am surprised you do not realize that many who are assumed to be impact players turn out differently, and vice-versa.

    The other point that I would like to make is that you, as is common in the forum, always deal with the issue as a binary option. Either impact at a D1 within first two years OR go to otherwise good D3 vis-a-vis soccer. You really think that is so clear to the majority of players on the way in? Reality is that there is a lot of territory between the two poles in your statement. . Sure, you can project who is going to more likely be an impact player based on resume, but a lot happens on the way to the forum. On my son's team, there was a projected high impact player who came in, spent a good part of the season injutred while learning to enjoy the party aspects of college a bit much that the active players. When he recovered from his injury, it was apparent he just didn't want to do the hard work needed to succeed academically while at the same time excelling on the field. The party life had taken hold. So he made the choice to succeed academcially and left the team. happens all the timewith many variations.

    After reading your post I think you are projecting a bit about my annoyance, pithiness, and pedantry. You think I distorted the other poster's intent? Maybe I didn't read enough up-thread and may have, but I do mean "may." you on the other hand are obviously confident in your mind-reading abilityn and thereofre are comfortable answering for someone else.
    Thanks for your response. I hope it didn't put you out too much.

    To your first question, I was a D1 athlete at a mid-major that academically competes with the top NESCACs and other similar schools that you mentioned. My kid is a high school senior who will be able to make a team at a D3 level, and depending on the final choice, may or may not see significant playing time. He would not be an impact player at Bucknell or any similar D1 program regardless of his efforts or how many breaks went his way (with 90% certainty).

    Secondly, I was not mind-reading. The poster you seemed put out by clearly mentioned Patriot League schools because a proud Mom (?) said her kid chose a very good or top D3 over 3 Patriot League schools where he could have played soccer in some capacity (according to the suggestion of her post). Your poster wasn't comparing Patriot League schools to other D1s except for the Ivies where I do presume the poster thought of the Ivies as a potential superior option because of the similar D1 soccer level coupled with somewhat superior academics. It makes sense to think that Patriot League and Ivy League soccer are similar in quality, and that given the opportunity a kid might then lean towards Ivy.

    Finally, in terms of your "binary" thinking critique, that's why I used the word "projected." Of course there are no guarantees and there can be an ACL tear, or a girlfriend, or partying, or an emerging passion for biophysical engineeering, but kids and families do make decisions based on projections. Isn't that what recruiting is about? A kid has some idea going in, based on $ offered and/or coach assessments and discussions with the player, where he stands and whether he is viewed as a likely immediate playing time player or a needs development player or a practice player. If Coach K at Duke brings in 7 freshmen, those kids have a more than decent idea where they fit in the pecking order. I am guessing the same is true when Bucknell or Lehigh bring in 7-8 soccer recruits (allowing for your point about "anything can happen"). Just like when kids figure out where to apply academically, don't you think a kid knows if he is perceived as a low-end Patriot League player vs a mid-to-high range D3 player?

    To be more honest, my pet peeve is the all too common "I'm going D3 but could have gone D1." I'm sure there are occasional examples of this, but not to the degree we hear about in this forum. How often does a real D1 basketball prospect choose a D3? Not very often, and if they do they are not choosing between the Dukes, Kentuckys, Syracuse, UCLA, Berkeley, Stanford, etc. vs ANY D3s (not matter how great the D3 is). The most likely scenario for this to happen would be in cases where a kid was "projected" to be a marginal recruit at a Patriot League or similar level D1 school athletically and therefore a kid goes with the better fit athletically and academically at a D3. And if a kid is expected to be very much in the mix at these D1 schools that are almost as good and in some cases just as good academically as the D3s, the kid in most instances is going to choose the D1. Another way of putting it is this: how many times do kids actually pick Williams or Amherst OVER Harvard, Yale, or Princeton (assuming they can really play soccer at both). I'm sure it happens, but not often.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      intead of using your verbose, bombastic writing style, just use simple, direct sentences to get to your point. you're trying too hard to show off your superiority and simpletons like me are not intelligent enough to follow your "logic."
      This is an example of an attack by someone who just doesn't like the message the post delivers. You ask for simpler, more direct sentences? The Flesch-Kincaid readability score of the post you have issues with comes in with a grade level of 9.3 and a readability index of around 65, which means it should be easily understandable by a 13-15 year old. If you need to the writing to be more "simple" because "simpletons like me are not intelligent enough to follow your "logic,"" then I suggest that is more your issue than the post you respond to.

      Too typical. You didn't like the opinion expressed so rather than engage in an honest but civil back and forth, find something else to insult.

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        Back to the topic.. Any new commits?

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Back to the topic.. Any new commits?
          No.

          Remember, we're waiting for September (.... by which time we'll probably know most of the 2012 class).

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            No.

            Remember, we're waiting for September (.... by which time we'll probably know most of the 2012 class).
            i know right! this class of 2011 may go down as the weekest recruiting class for d1 in mass. less than 2 weeks before signing day and only 9. the d2 and d3's commits will be coming out soon, so we'll have a better idea but it's looking bad for d1's in 2011. hopefully 2012 will be stronger.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              i know right! this class of 2011 may go down as the weekest recruiting class for d1 in mass. less than 2 weeks before signing day and only 9. the d2 and d3's commits will be coming out soon, so we'll have a better idea but it's looking bad for d1's in 2011. hopefully 2012 will be stronger.
              As a 2012 DAP player I'm a little disheartened by the lack of D1 commitments this year. I know a lot of talented 2011's who are still undecided/uncommitted/whatever... hopefully next year will be better!

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Thanks for your response. I hope it didn't put you out too much.

                To your first question, I was a D1 athlete at a mid-major that academically competes with the top NESCACs and other similar schools that you mentioned. My kid is a high school senior who will be able to make a team at a D3 level, and depending on the final choice, may or may not see significant playing time. He would not be an impact player at Bucknell or any similar D1 program regardless of his efforts or how many breaks went his way (with 90% certainty).

                Secondly, I was not mind-reading. The poster you seemed put out by clearly mentioned Patriot League schools because a proud Mom (?) said her kid chose a very good or top D3 over 3 Patriot League schools where he could have played soccer in some capacity (according to the suggestion of her post). Your poster wasn't comparing Patriot League schools to other D1s except for the Ivies where I do presume the poster thought of the Ivies as a potential superior option because of the similar D1 soccer level coupled with somewhat superior academics. It makes sense to think that Patriot League and Ivy League soccer are similar in quality, and that given the opportunity a kid might then lean towards Ivy.

                Finally, in terms of your "binary" thinking critique, that's why I used the word "projected." Of course there are no guarantees and there can be an ACL tear, or a girlfriend, or partying, or an emerging passion for biophysical engineeering, but kids and families do make decisions based on projections. Isn't that what recruiting is about? A kid has some idea going in, based on $ offered and/or coach assessments and discussions with the player, where he stands and whether he is viewed as a likely immediate playing time player or a needs development player or a practice player. If Coach K at Duke brings in 7 freshmen, those kids have a more than decent idea where they fit in the pecking order. I am guessing the same is true when Bucknell or Lehigh bring in 7-8 soccer recruits (allowing for your point about "anything can happen"). Just like when kids figure out where to apply academically, don't you think a kid knows if he is perceived as a low-end Patriot League player vs a mid-to-high range D3 player?

                To be more honest, my pet peeve is the all too common "I'm going D3 but could have gone D1." I'm sure there are occasional examples of this, but not to the degree we hear about in this forum. How often does a real D1 basketball prospect choose a D3? Not very often, and if they do they are not choosing between the Dukes, Kentuckys, Syracuse, UCLA, Berkeley, Stanford, etc. vs ANY D3s (not matter how great the D3 is). The most likely scenario for this to happen would be in cases where a kid was "projected" to be a marginal recruit at a Patriot League or similar level D1 school athletically and therefore a kid goes with the better fit athletically and academically at a D3. And if a kid is expected to be very much in the mix at these D1 schools that are almost as good and in some cases just as good academically as the D3s, the kid in most instances is going to choose the D1. Another way of putting it is this: how many times do kids actually pick Williams or Amherst OVER Harvard, Yale, or Princeton (assuming they can really play soccer at both). I'm sure it happens, but not often.

                There is very little similarity in quality between Patriot League soccer and Ivy League soccer when it comes to post season tournament appearances and RPI scores. Looking at the last five years, 2010-2006, the Ivy League has had 4/4/3/3/2 teams invited/qualified to compete for the National Championship while the Patriot League has had 1/1/1/1/2. Each league’s champion is entitled to a tournament spot which leaves the Ivies with an 11-1 comparative advantage. The RPI scores are revealing as well. Again looking at the last five years, 2010-2006, the Ivy League has had 4/2/2/3/2 teams with an RPI ranking in the top 30 while the Patriot League has had 0/0/0/0/1. That is a 13-1 comparative advantage. The 2010 NSCAA final postseason poll had Brown ranked 10th, Dartmouth 16th and Princeton 24th in the top 25 nationally. There were no ranked Patriot League teams. It makes little to no sense to think that Patriot League soccer and Ivy League soccer are similar in quality.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  i know right! this class of 2011 may go down as the weekest recruiting class for d1 in mass. less than 2 weeks before signing day and only 9. the d2 and d3's commits will be coming out soon, so we'll have a better idea but it's looking bad for d1's in 2011. hopefully 2012 will be stronger.
                  You'd better move out of state so you don't suffer the embarrassment of being from a state that is so obvioulsy below your standards and expectations.

                  My suggestion is that you move to New Hampshire. That way, you'll raise the average IQ of both states.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    There is very little similarity in quality between Patriot League soccer and Ivy League soccer when it comes to post season tournament appearances and RPI scores. Looking at the last five years, 2010-2006, the Ivy League has had 4/4/3/3/2 teams invited/qualified to compete for the National Championship while the Patriot League has had 1/1/1/1/2. Each league’s champion is entitled to a tournament spot which leaves the Ivies with an 11-1 comparative advantage. The RPI scores are revealing as well. Again looking at the last five years, 2010-2006, the Ivy League has had 4/2/2/3/2 teams with an RPI ranking in the top 30 while the Patriot League has had 0/0/0/0/1. That is a 13-1 comparative advantage. The 2010 NSCAA final postseason poll had Brown ranked 10th, Dartmouth 16th and Princeton 24th in the top 25 nationally. There were no ranked Patriot League teams. It makes little to no sense to think that Patriot League soccer and Ivy League soccer are similar in quality.
                    Good work. So you've sort of confirmed the OP on this topic that a player who could do so would choose the Ivies over the Patriots.... better BOTH academically AND soccer-wise. And so there is even a bigger gap between the Ivies and elite D3s than there is between Patriots and elite D3s. With the demographics of elite youth soccer in Massachusetts you'd think there would be more kids committing Ivy with Patriot as a back-up and then D3 if they can't play D1.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      You'd better move out of state so you don't suffer the embarrassment of being from a state that is so obvioulsy below your standards and expectations.

                      My suggestion is that you move to New Hampshire. That way, you'll raise the average IQ of both states.
                      2 former NH Classics players, now with Revs, have committed to SNHU. This according to the NH classic website, and they are in their first year with the Revs, so the recruiting ocurred before their DAP experience. (The SNHU coach is also a coach with the club)

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        2 former NH Classics players, now with Revs, have committed to SNHU. This according to the NH classic website, and they are in their first year with the Revs, so the recruiting ocurred before their DAP experience. (The SNHU coach is also a coach with the club)
                        Interesting... both are extremely talented and more than capable of playing D1 soccer.

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                          Several of you semed pretty confused. DAP doesn't dvelop players because it isn't the age groups where development occurs.

                          So those of you that want to take swipes at the DAP program by pointing out that players weren't developed by DAP or DAP clubs, we all get it. But you obviously don't.

                          We all understand that you want to turn a thread created to highlight the accomplishment of players into something that pushes your own selfish agenda and opinions.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Several of you semed pretty confused. DAP doesn't dvelop players because it isn't the age groups where development occurs.

                            So those of you that want to take swipes at the DAP program by pointing out that players weren't developed by DAP or DAP clubs, we all get it. But you obviously don't.

                            We all understand that you want to turn a thread created to highlight the accomplishment of players into something that pushes your own selfish agenda and opinions.
                            Some DAP parents keep promoting that the "DAP players" went to xyz college, when in fact the DAP experience had nothing to do with the player recruitment. As O'Reilly says "The spin stops here."

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                              How many kids are on the SNHU roster? Seems to be the fallback option for every decent DAP and non- player in the region.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                How many kids are on the SNHU roster? Seems to be the fallback option for every decent DAP and non- player in the region.
                                It took me a whole 3.5 seconds to go to the website and count. 22 field players, 4 GK

                                http://snhupenmen.com/sports/msoc/2010-11/roster

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