Limited substitution at Disney?

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Heard that Disney used a limited substitution rule of no reentry. Also have heard that there is a movement to change league to similiar rules. Anyone want to comment on their experience at Disney, Regionals, DAP or whatever with this rule? Is it good or bad?

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It is already the rule in the ECNL so those games would have used it. I thought Disney had had a similar rule before but they never enforced it.

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How many players can dress for an ECNL game?

[Unregistered]

Heard that Disney used a limited substitution rule of no reentry. Also have heard that there is a movement to change league to similiar rules. Anyone want to comment on their experience at Disney, Regionals, DAP or whatever with this rule? Is it good or bad?

Bad. Fewer kids play and are seen by coaches. College should consider modifying the current sub rules too at all competitive levels. The development is just not done at U19, U20, U21, U22. Not in USA.

[Cujo]

Heard that Disney used a limited substitution rule of no reentry. Also have heard that there is a movement to change league to similiar rules. Anyone want to comment on their experience at Disney, Regionals, DAP or whatever with this rule? Is it good or bad?

I would say at U14 and under that this is not a good idea. No problems with it for U16's and older.

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I would say at U14 and under that this is not a good idea. No problems with it for U16's and older.

I thought this type of rule helped with development as coaches are more likely to let players play for longer periods and get into the flow of the game.

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I would say at U14 and under that this is not a good idea. No problems with it for U16's and older.

College coaches were not happy with the substitution rule. It's not in the spirit of a showcase tournament, which is to allow a coach to give all his or her players a fairly equal amount of playing time in order to be seen by college coaches. Also, it really can hurt a team if they've made all their substitutions for a half and a player gets injured (the players on the bench can't be subbed back in, so the team may have to play a player down). This was done to align the rest of the tournament with ECNL rules, but that is a league and teams in it are playing to win, not to showcase.

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I thought this type of rule helped with development as coaches are more likely to let players play for longer periods and get into the flow of the game.

Well, it's good for the players on the field obviously. But those on the bench are not so fortunate. Unless the coach uses different starting rosters for each game.

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College coaches were not happy with the substitution rule. It's not in the spirit of a showcase tournament, which is to allow a coach to give all his or her players a fairly equal amount of playing time in order to be seen by college coaches. Also, it really can hurt a team if they've made all their substitutions for a half and a player gets injured (the players on the bench can't be subbed back in, so the team may have to play a player down). This was done to align the rest of the tournament with ECNL rules, but that is a league and teams in it are playing to win, not to showcase.

I'm pretty sure you can re-enter for an injury.

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There are still the same number of minutes available, regardless of the sub rules, right? Coaches should not have a hard time playing everyone at a showcase, unless they selected players who do not legitimately fit in with the level the team plays and the coach has no intention of giving them half a game each time out.

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The limited substitution allowed players to only enter once per half. Coaches still had an opportunity to play all their players in both halves. It cut down on constant strategic subbing to protect the lead at the end of the game. As players tired, many games opened up and better play resulted as teams had more time on the ball than they might when high pressure, hockey style substituting is utilized. Replacing an injured player is a problem once a coach has cleared their bench. I saw a few teams playing short. Overall I view it positively. Games flowed much better. If I were a coach, I'd play a couple versatile players the entire first half, and then have them available in case of injury late in the second. Coaches will adapt.

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The limited substitution allowed players to only enter once per half. Coaches still had an opportunity to play all their players in both halves. It cut down on constant strategic subbing to protect the lead at the end of the game. As players tired, many games opened up and better play resulted as teams had more time on the ball than they might when high pressure, hockey style substituting is utilized. Replacing an injured player is a problem once a coach has cleared their bench. I saw a few teams playing short. Overall I view it positively. Games flowed much better. If I were a coach, I'd play a couple versatile players the entire first half, and then have them available in case of injury late in the second. Coaches will adapt.

Only problem I saw is that it causes pressure to keep an injured player on the field, both from the coaches and the players view, because once they are off they are off. In general I like the rule, but 20 minutes more or less is a long time to be doing nothing waiting to be subbed in.

[Cujo]

I thought this type of rule helped with development as coaches are more likely to let players play for longer periods and get into the flow of the game.

At U14 everybody should play. 16 players can each get 56 minutes if distributed equally. At the elite and older levels players should be accustomed to playing long stretches if not the entire game. My daughter played college soccer and depending on what type of lineup the coach wanted to put out on the field her playing time ranged from zero minutes to sometimes an entire game. Some of her teammates played only a few minutes here and there others played every minute of a season. This is why I say the older teams should function with limited sub rules. BTW - all the European tournaments use this rule at younger ages as well ie Gotha and Harlem Cup.

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The limited substitution allowed players to only enter once per half. Coaches still had an opportunity to play all their players in both halves. It cut down on constant strategic subbing to protect the lead at the end of the game. As players tired, many games opened up and better play resulted as teams had more time on the ball than they might when high pressure, hockey style substituting is utilized. Replacing an injured player is a problem once a coach has cleared their bench. I saw a few teams playing short. Overall I view it positively. Games flowed much better. If I were a coach, I'd play a couple versatile players the entire first half, and then have them available in case of injury late in the second. Coaches will adapt.

This was a rule for girls only. The boys were not allowed back in after being substituted.

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Only problem I saw is that it causes pressure to keep an injured player on the field, both from the coaches and the players view, because once they are off they are off. In general I like the rule, but 20 minutes more or less is a long time to be doing nothing waiting to be subbed in.

No they can come back on. Just like in professional soccer. They can leave the field for injury and then come back into the game.