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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    This was a rule for girls only. The boys were not allowed back in after being substituted.
    Like that even better

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      #17
      Disney Substitution Rule

      Revised November 25, 2009
      Substitutions:
      Matches will operate under a “per half” substitution system. Once a player is substituted during a half or overtime period of play, the player may not re-enter the match during that half or overtime period. There shall be a maximum of seven (7) substitutions per half/overtime period. Substitutions may be made at any stoppage of play with the approval of the Referee.
      If a player is removed from the game and no substitute enters the game for the player (team plays short), the original player may reenter the game. Entry shall be at a normal substitution point (with approval of the referee) or at any point during game if the referee signals for the player’s reentry.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        No they can come back on. Just like in professional soccer. They can leave the field for injury and then come back into the game.
        Didn't write my post correctly. Once you are subbed out you are out for the half. You are correct that the players can be pulled off the field and you can play short while evaluating.

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          #19
          I've been disappointed to see some of our opponents abuse the unlimited subs rule, and surprised that they represent some well known clubs. A young coach, in effort to lock down 1-0 game, subbed every stoppage for the final 15 minutes of play, because of the unlimited subs rule. He should have had more confidence in his kids to finish the game. They were a little better than us, and deserved the chance to lock down the result with their play, rather than with their coach's gimmicks.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            I've been disappointed to see some of our opponents abuse the unlimited subs rule, and surprised that they represent some well known clubs. A young coach, in effort to lock down 1-0 game, subbed every stoppage for the final 15 minutes of play, because of the unlimited subs rule. He should have had more confidence in his kids to finish the game. They were a little better than us, and deserved the chance to lock down the result with their play, rather than with their coach's gimmicks.
            I don't think its good soccer, but it is a strategy, and if the rules allow it and the win is important you should do what works to win. I'd rather see this type of strategy than the one where coaches teach kids to play dirty and see what they can get away with. Unlimited substitutions can be thwarted a little bit if you don't kick the ball out of bounds, which is a little tough teams that don't have confidence on the ball in their defensive end.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              I don't think its good soccer, but it is a strategy, and if the rules allow it and the win is important you should do what works to win. I'd rather see this type of strategy than the one where coaches teach kids to play dirty and see what they can get away with. Unlimited substitutions can be thwarted a little bit if you don't kick the ball out of bounds, which is a little tough teams that don't have confidence on the ball in their defensive end.
              It's never a good strategy if it impacts player development which is exactly what running players in and out of a game does. You obviously put more importance on winning then developing players.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                I've been disappointed to see some of our opponents abuse the unlimited subs rule, and surprised that they represent some well known clubs. A young coach, in effort to lock down 1-0 game, subbed every stoppage for the final 15 minutes of play, because of the unlimited subs rule. He should have had more confidence in his kids to finish the game. They were a little better than us, and deserved the chance to lock down the result with their play, rather than with their coach's gimmicks.
                Refs can decline substitution requests at their leisure. They can produce a yellow for unsporting delay if they feel the subs are being made to run time off the clock.

                Sounds like this did not happen.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Refs can decline substitution requests at their leisure. They can produce a yellow for unsporting delay if they feel the subs are being made to run time off the clock.

                  Sounds like this did not happen.
                  Really? How many times have you actually seen it happen? Regardless that is no excuse for a coach to misuse the unlimited substitution rule.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Really? How many times have you actually seen it happen? Regardless that is no excuse for a coach to misuse the unlimited substitution rule.
                    We have all seen refs call delayed play in various forms. Constant subbing to kill time is no different. That strategy contradicts a fundamental quality of the game, and should be penalized. Refs also have no obligation to sub players on request. They may play on, at their discretion. Such an approach sounds like an enlightened one in this context.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      We have all seen refs call delayed play in various forms. Constant subbing to kill time is no different. That strategy contradicts a fundamental quality of the game, and should be penalized. Refs also have no obligation to sub players on request. They may play on, at their discretion. Such an approach sounds like an enlightened one in this context.
                      Blah, blah, blah. We all know the quality of the officiating in this country and you want this responsibility placed on the referees instead of where it squarely belongs - on the coaches.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Blah, blah, blah. We all know the quality of the officiating in this country and you want this responsibility placed on the referees instead of where it squarely belongs - on the coaches.
                        They seem equally at fault to me.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          It's never a good strategy if it impacts player development which is exactly what running players in and out of a game does. You obviously put more importance on winning then developing players.
                          There are times when its important to win, both for the club and the team. I don't make the decisions, its just reality which might not be a familiar concept to you. I've never seen a coach pull a player if the other team goes short whether by red card or injury to make sure their team has fair competition.

                          In football its common to take a knee and run out the clock and the rules are set up around that. I'd prefer the rules be set up to minimize substitutions than blame a coach for doing what they need to do.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            There are times when its important to win, both for the club and the team. I don't make the decisions, its just reality which might not be a familiar concept to you. I've never seen a coach pull a player if the other team goes short whether by red card or injury to make sure their team has fair competition.
                            There are times when it's important to win, but there's no need to win using that tactic. Play the game the way it's suppose to be played. It's not a part of the game anywhere else in the world but here. Your next comment may allude to why it is used in this country. We have more coaches who know the rules of football and not the rules of futbol.

                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            In football its common to take a knee and run out the clock and the rules are set up around that. I'd prefer the rules be set up to minimize substitutions than blame a coach for doing what they need to do.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              There are times when it's important to win, but there's no need to win using that tactic. Play the game the way it's suppose to be played. It's not a part of the game anywhere else in the world but here. Your next comment may allude to why it is used in this country. We have more coaches who know the rules of football and not the rules of futbol.
                              So in professional futbol you haven't seen substitutions at the 90th minute by the team that is up and players jogging slowly off the field or players playing up injuries? And you know that youth teams in all the other countries don't ever play to the clock because you have played in all of them?

                              The best way to play is to win by a large margin and then not worry about minutes. Win by enough and you can spread play time and worry about development. Winning isn't really important unless you lose, and there are players and families that just won't put up with that. Sub in a player that always loses the game for you and see what happens to your good players.

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                                #30
                                [QUOTE=Unregistered;233571]So in professional futbol you haven't seen substitutions at the 90th minute by the team that is up and players jogging slowly off the field or players playing up injuries? And you know that youth teams in all the other countries don't ever play to the clock because you have played in all of them? {/quote]

                                In professional soccer, the coaches are subbing to kill time because their managers know that the officials will either add time or pull a card if they feel there is an intentional delay. Other countries play with limited substitution rules. Why do you think there is a movement to change the rules in the US?


                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                The best way to play is to win by a large margin and then not worry about minutes. Win by enough and you can spread play time and worry about development. Winning isn't really important unless you lose, and there are players and families that just won't put up with that. Sub in a player that always loses the game for you and see what happens to your good players.
                                So now you are saying you don't sub because you are afraid to lose???

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