Merry Christmas from Donald Trump

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Call me hillbilly, call me trump supporter I don't care. But stop with the stolen valor m'fcker. It is not right and you should be ashamed of yourself.

What is your "proof" of your allegation here? You keep on saying this but have nothing but your own indignation to support your position. I've asked you several times to show me where these acts were not violations of the UCMJ and that the court martial failed to provide appropriate justice.

Your only response is that Trump is President and can do what he wants. That's not a defense of his actions. That's just political justification.

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I would bet strongly that if you polled any number of Vets, from Korea, Vietnam and all these gulf escapades that have been going on for more than a generation, the vast majority of them would have serious issue with the behavior these men showed. This is the stuff that is done by lesser armies.

Yes, my opinion is biased, just as yours is. That's why we call them opinions. If there were no bias, then they would be "facts". I just think that in this case, the majority opinion from the military world would be far closer to mine than it it to yours.

Oh yes of course, the vietnam vets would support *******s like you criticizing their fellow service members. What next, are you going to say vietnam vets lined up to call people baby killers along with the protesters when they got home from nam too!

Just stop lying already and stop claiming you were in the military. It is shameful.

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Thank you....well said.

It wasn't that long ago that we had videos and photos of our soldiers decapitated or dragged through the streets. People forget. Our military can still do its job, very effectively in fact, without resorting to barbarism. Trump thinks it earns the US respect, when in fact it has the opposite effect.

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What is your "proof" of your allegation here? You keep on saying this but have nothing but your own indignation to support your position. I've asked you several times to show me where these acts were not violations of the UCMJ and that the court martial failed to provide appropriate justice.

Your only response is that Trump is President and can do what he wants. That's not a defense of his actions. That's just political justification.

Wrong poster, I never posted about trump except above. I am just calling out your BS and stolen valor. Stop it *******.

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Oh yes of course, the vietnam vets would support *******s like you criticizing their fellow service members. What next, are you going to say vietnam vets lined up to call people baby killers along with the protesters when they got home from nam too!

Just stop lying already and stop claiming you were in the military. It is shameful.

I don't know a single Vietnam vet who called fellow servicemen and women at the time as "baby killers". I do know several that suffered that same insult and disrespect for doing nothing more than following orders.

But to answer your question, I have the same issue with members who served in my time who dishonored their oath as well. I believe those at Mei Lai massacre deserved what punishment they received, in particular Lt. William Calley. The men who refused the unlawful order issued by Lt. Calley that day were true Americans. Calley and those who joined in shooting those women and children violated their oath, as did these men that Trump has pardoned.

The code exists for a reason. It defines who we are to be as Americans serving their country in the military. I'm not sure why you don't believe that as important as most do. Likely because you haven't served and really don't understand what it means.

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The Logical Voice

Wrong poster, I never posted about trump except above. I am just calling out your BS and stolen valor. Stop it *******.

Well, since you hide behind your keyboard, we don't know who you are and what you have said or not said. Perhaps you should stop or at least have the courage to identify yourself in your postings here.

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I don't know a single Vietnam vet who called fellow servicemen and women at the time as "baby killers". I do know several that suffered that same insult and disrespect for doing nothing more than following orders.

But to answer your question, I have the same issue with members who served in my time who dishonored their oath as well. I believe those at Mei Lai massacre deserved what punishment they received, in particular Lt. William Calley. The men who refused the unlawful order issued by Lt. Calley that day were true Americans. Calley and those who joined in shooting those women and children violated their oath, as did these men that Trump has pardoned.

The code exists for a reason. It defines who we are to be as Americans serving their country in the military. I'm not sure why you don't believe that as important as most do. Likely because you haven't served and really don't understand what it means.

You can post all you want about your belief in ucmj and how you want service members punished for war crimes, but stop your BS about being in the navy. Just because your relatives served doesn't mean you did. STOP the stolen valor you piece of ****.

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When you take trophy pictures next to dead enemies, you are not a warrior. You are something far less.

enemies- lets start there
they are not enemies they are insurgents/guerillas - who by definition don't conform to the Geneva convention
in your world it is very Black and white
the reality is very different -do I like them ******* or taking pictures no but I also know that we are the only ones in this fight that have any rules- and am not looking to destroy a guy who we sent into combat for 8 tours over a selfie

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I don't know a single Vietnam vet who called fellow servicemen and women at the time as "baby killers". I do know several that suffered that same insult and disrespect for doing nothing more than following orders.

But to answer your question, I have the same issue with members who served in my time who dishonored their oath as well. I believe those at Mei Lai massacre deserved what punishment they received, in particular Lt. William Calley. The men who refused the unlawful order issued by Lt. Calley that day were true Americans. Calley and those who joined in shooting those women and children violated their oath, as did these men that Trump has pardoned.

The code exists for a reason. It defines who we are to be as Americans serving their country in the military. I'm not sure why you don't believe that as important as most do. Likely because you haven't served and really don't understand what it means.

Sir, please stop wasting your time with this fake patriot. He hasn't served. He doesn't understand the military code. He doesn't even understand that under our constitution there are checks, balances and no kings. He has no answer to any of your intelligent questions and comments except to call you names. Put differently, he is an always Trumper no matter what anyone else says or does. Meaning that he will believe it patriotic to support King Trump no matter what he does.

The person with whom you are debating this topic is not a military man and has not given any bid of himself for our country. It's pointless to engage a village idiot like him who has no answers and instead blusters and curses.

Thank you, sir, for you brave service. And thank you to your family. It sends chills down my spine to even write this. Thank you again.

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1). Human scum
2). Violator of rules

anyone who thinks what he did is no big deal should ask themselves how they'd feel if our enemies did the same with our fallen soldiers? Well, they already do and people go nuts. Our military isn't perfect, but they do try to be a shining example for how to operate and follow all international laws as well as their own codes of ethics. Trump thinks he won a big victory but in the long run it does far more harm than good (and the only good is for himself, not the military). The military shouldn't be used to score political points.

the military is always used to score political points that's the problem
we send them to war with no clear objectives and no identifiable adversary and then impose ridiculous ROI on them for multiple tours and we expect no slip-ups

Alan West- is a prime example of this two faced BS- get the job done but we wont give you any tools with which to do it and we will destroy you if you are too harsh
this Gallagher thing was as political as anything else on both sides

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I don't know a single Vietnam vet who called fellow servicemen and women at the time as "baby killers". I do know several that suffered that same insult and disrespect for doing nothing more than following orders.

But to answer your question, I have the same issue with members who served in my time who dishonored their oath as well. I believe those at Mei Lai massacre deserved what punishment they received, in particular Lt. William Calley. The men who refused the unlawful order issued by Lt. Calley that day were true Americans. Calley and those who joined in shooting those women and children violated their oath, as did these men that Trump has pardoned.

The code exists for a reason. It defines who we are to be as Americans serving their country in the military. I'm not sure why you don't believe that as important as most do. Likely because you haven't served and really don't understand what it means.

Calley spent less time in jail than Gallagher- is that justice to you

this was a "trophy" prosecution that's why Trump intervened- if you have served you know this does go on

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Merry Christmas from Donald Trump

Yes, they were President. No, they did not intervene in military adjudication as Trump has done here. If Hillary Clinton were in office and did as Trump did, she would be equally wrong as he is.

You see this as a political issue. Those of us who served see it for what is is, Trump attempting to establish political favor with voters by overriding his own military leadership. These men were not wrongfully found guilty. They committed the acts and were held accountable for them. That's the truth here and I suspect, deep down, you know that too.

This has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton. You brought her into the discussion. Weak....

that is actually a funny statement being that you are not familiar with the Investigation into the 2012 Bengazzi attack how the Obama administration (which includes hillary) stuck there nose into it and F_cking the entire thing up and later covering up any evidence.....little pinata boy your bs is just to much.

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Hey, Trump Boy, I'll give you one guess about who said this:

They opened up a counterintelligence investigation in July (2016). We know the Russians are messing in our election. And it was the Russians, ladies and gentlemen, who stole the Democratic National Committee emails, Podesta's emails and screwed around with Hillary Clinton. It wasn’t the Ukrainians. It was the Russians. And they're coming after us again. So, to be concerned that the Russians are messing with presidential campaigns was a legitimate concern.

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that is actually a funny statement being that you are not familiar with the Investigation into the 2012 Bengazzi attack how the Obama administration (which includes hillary) stuck there nose into it and F_cking the entire thing up and later covering up any evidence.....little pinata boy your bs is just to much.

Which of the 11 Benghazi republican investigation reports are you referring to to support your nonsense? Couldn't be one of them, since they all absolved Clinton and Obama. Sort of like what you're saying about the Meuller report right? Trump was vindicated and absolved?

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The Logical Voice

You can post all you want about your belief in ucmj and how you want service members punished for war crimes, but stop your BS about being in the navy. Just because your relatives served doesn't mean you did. STOP the stolen valor you piece of ****.

And what are you basing this opinion on? You amuse me.