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Originally posted by Unregistered View Postwhat is OK is what we all decide as voters is OK. what you think is hysteria, some voters think is very reasonable. we hash it out and vote.
IMO, my kids have had to live for too long in a world cotrolled by the nonsense and agenda pushed on us all by the gun industry. You see it differently.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostDo you have any idea what the NRA is? It is people ( ie voters) its no different than PETA or the Various environmental groups. They are all made up of members. They use member $$$ to push legislation that supports the viewpoints of those members. The NRA isnt the boogie man it simply pushes an agenda set forth by the wishes of your fellow Americans
Never said it was a boogie man. In fact, for many years I was a member of the NRA. My father put me through all their marksmanship and safety courses when I was a child.
That focus of the NRA is great.
But the leadership of the NRA is extremely political. They drive the NRA agenda, not the general membership. That is why I left them, because they no longer represented my views on gun control. And believe me, I own some guns.
The things moderates seek in tighter gun control are logical, push us towards a safer culture around guns and do nothing to threaten your rights or mine under the Second Amendment.
Believe me, I have equally strong problems with the extremists that represent themselves as PETA or even the extreme environmentalists that do things like spike trees to hurt lumberjacks and other vile stuff.
Gun control laws in this country need to be tightened up for all kinds of reasons. I'm not for eliminating guns at all. I like mine too.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostDont disagree , but again the gun industry isnt or any industry for that matter isnt promoting carnage.
When there is a 50 car pileup on some colorado highway is the auto industry put under scrutiny? No they push selling cars, and cars kill far more people than guns including suicides
Drivers have to pass a driving test but we all have seen ****ty drivers
What about the drug companies who push drugs and kickbacks to doctors who string our kids out on drugs that alter personality-
Lots of cause and effect at work here- not a simple issue but thats what people are fixated on
The "what about" argument to justify anything is the weakest argument you can offer.
What about those drug companies. Put their CEOs in jail.
What about crappy drivers. That's what the police, insurance and the ability of the state to take away driving privileges if necessary.
And yes, the auto industry is under constant scrutiny from the government, consumer watch groups and so on. Why else does the auto industry brag about those safety ratings from these organizations in their advertising? Why are there ongoing emission monitoring by the government?
Your argument essentially says these wrongs and bad behaviors can be simply justified by pointing out another equally noxious example some place else.
They are all wrong. There is no justification.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThe gun didnt shoot itself- no gun does-
I could sit any gun on the table fully loaded with the safety off and nothing would happen
Nothing
And I could sit with my Ford Pinto in the garage, fully gassed up, with the key in my pocket and nothing would happen. Nothing.
What's your point?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI say Kim Jong Un should be able to have his ballistic missile mounted nukes.
Nuclear bombs don't kill people. The crew of the Enola Gay kill people.
KJU has not been officially diagnosed as mentally ill.
Well, in all honesty, he has every right, as the leader of his nation, to pursue the technologies that he believes will keep him, his government and his nation safe.
That may not fit with our objectives, but he's not doing anything that hasn't already been done by all the other nuclear powers in the world and to some degree, just about every sovereign nation on the earth.
I still think him very abnormal and it bothers me greatly that he might have nuclear weapons, but I'm just as bothered that Russia, China, and the rest of the nuclear powers in the world have them too.
And frankly, the man in our White House seems just as sketchy to me as Kim when it comes to pushing that button.
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