Merry Christmas from Donald Trump

[Unregistered]

Make the list.

Iran, Venezuela, The Congo, Sudan, Cuba, North Korea, shall we keep going?

[Unregistered]

Except that there are a slew of gun attacks in France one having twice the impact of our worse in history. Your logic is weak.

gun deaths per 100,000 France 2.83
gun deaths per 100,000 US 10.54

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

[Unregistered]

Let's do it. Most of the public would want it to

Wait the NRA and NSSF and their sponsored lawmakers won't go for it

Easily taken care if on election day. That is how it must work. Do our bidding or we send you packing.

[Unregistered]

The NRA is a scourge to the country, at the national and local level. People don't realize how active they've been at the state level and that state laws will impact them more than national ones. FL has some of the most lax laws in the US because of the NRA. This is a long read (or listen) but it's important. https://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/55585...across-the-u-s

Most gun owners want legislation. Don't let the nut jobs hold the rest of us hostage. Use your voice. I know in CT we have better laws than most, and our Congressmen are very active in this regard. So even if you don't support what they do on other issues give them a shout out of support for what they are trying to do to make America safer. We're all frgiin' sick of it regardless of party affiliation

Agree but your trying to fix the wrong problem. This is primarily a mental health issue. Someone like this kid Cruz or Adam Lanza would have figured out a different way to kill in large numbers if they didn't have access to guns. Adam studied different options for over a year. IMO there should be two options for legislation:

1) Form a national registry for people with mental health issues for background check purposes
2) Pass a law that makes the people closest to the killer (Mom, Dad, relatives) liable (financially or with prison sentences) for any harm done by an attack with those that have mental issues.

Number 2 above would be most affective because in almost all these cases those close to the killer are in the best position to understand their state of mind.

[Unregistered]

gun deaths per 100,000 France 2.83
gun deaths per 100,000 US 10.54

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

The discussion is not guns only. You've missed the point. Go back on the thread some more. The point is a crazed killer with use any option at their disposal to kill.

By the way, it would be more interesting to compare total homicides per capita by country.

[Unregistered]

Agree but your trying to fix the wrong problem. This is primarily a mental health issue. Someone like this kid Cruz or Adam Lanza would have figured out a different way to kill in large numbers if they didn't have access to guns. Adam studied different options for over a year. IMO there should be two options for legislation:

1) Form a national registry for people with mental health issues for background check purposes
2) Pass a law that makes the people closest to the killer (Mom, Dad, relatives) liable (financially or with prison sentences) for any harm done by an attack with those that have mental issues.

Number 2 above would be most affective because in almost all these cases those close to the killer are in the best position to understand their state of mind.

When enough folks decide they are not interested in living with these guns as legal for anyone and vote accordingly,. Law makers will act. Ban them and buy back the ones out there.

[Unregistered]

Agree but your trying to fix the wrong problem. This is primarily a mental health issue. Someone like this kid Cruz or Adam Lanza would have figured out a different way to kill in large numbers if they didn't have access to guns. Adam studied different options for over a year. IMO there should be two options for legislation:

1) Form a national registry for people with mental health issues for background check purposes
2) Pass a law that makes the people closest to the killer (Mom, Dad, relatives) liable (financially or with prison sentences) for any harm done by an attack with those that have mental issues.

Number 2 above would be most affective because in almost all these cases those close to the killer are in the best position to understand their state of mind.

But it isn't just mental health - it's also about easy access to guns and ammunition. There are also patient right's laws in place. in the FL case he was a legal adult and there would have to be a court order to institutionalize him. Once you're past 18 your family can't do anything other than go through the court system. This kid had history but his mother had just died a few days earlier (from the flu of all things). If she were still alive today would he have done what he did? Just because someone has mental health issues doesn't mean they will go out and kill people. And seemingly "normal" people just go off all the time - the Vegas shooter had no history of anything whatsoever.

[Unregistered]

Mental health treatment and banning assault rifles are not mutually exclusive. Both need to be done.t

[Unregistered]

The discussion is not guns only. You've missed the point. Go back on the thread some more. The point is a crazed killer with use any option at their disposal to kill.

By the way, it would be more interesting to compare total homicides per capita by country.

It's on that same link (homicides per 100,000)

France .21
UK (even tougher laws .06
Australia (also tough laws) .16
US 3.6

Countries with rates higher than the US? Almost all are very high crime countries, some political unrest. Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, South Africa, Swaziland, Uruguay, Venezuela

We make up 4.4% of the gloal population but have 42% of all guns globally. The US has 101 guns per 100 people. That statistic alone is breath taking. No other country comes even close, mid 30's was the highest I saw. Canada, our closet neighbor geographically and demographically has 30.8 guns per person but only .38 homicides per 100,000 people.

[Unregistered]

Mental health treatment and banning assault rifles are not mutually exclusive. Both need to be done.t

Yet Trump and the GOP only talk about mental health, never gun legislation. they're too afraid of the NRA

[Unregistered]

It's on that same link (homicides per 100,000)

France .21
UK (even tougher laws .06
Australia (also tough laws) .16
US 3.6

Countries with rates higher than the US? Almost all are very high crime countries, some political unrest. Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, South Africa, Swaziland, Uruguay, Venezuela

We make up 4.4% of the gloal population but have 42% of all guns globally. The US has 101 guns per 100 people. That statistic alone is breath taking. No other country comes even close, mid 30's was the highest I saw. Canada, our closet neighbor geographically and demographically has 30.8 guns per person but only .38 homicides per 100,000 people.

It would be interesting to remove the high crime areas of the US like Chicago, Bridgeport, many others (mostly democratically controlled with strict gun laws) because I would equate those to the high crime countries above Brazil, etc. and then compare.

[Unregistered]

The discussion is not guns only. You've missed the point. Go back on the thread some more. The point is a crazed killer with use any option at their disposal to kill.

By the way, it would be more interesting to compare total homicides per capita by country.

Not the OP, but here's my two cents.

The discussion should be about guns. Guns are very different than other items that could be used to do harm. How? Well there is more of a fascination, a culture of guns. Within the sphere of that fascination and culture is the influences of societal trends and platforms that promote it. An endless stream of violent trash from Hollywood and the Entertainment Industry, violent video games and a near numbness to violence that many youth in America now exhibit because of that exposure.

When you add to the mix an attack and grievance atmosphere prevalent all across the media , and by special interest groups, it is sometimes overwhelming for even the most logical thinking person to manage. People on the edge that are within the culture of guns have an outlet for their uncomfortable state , and unfortunately, it sometimes manifests to harming human beings.

Banning Assault weapons may not solve the problem, but if it saves even one human life , to me it is worth it .

[Unregistered]

It's on that same link (homicides per 100,000)

France .21
UK (even tougher laws .06
Australia (also tough laws) .16
US 3.6

Countries with rates higher than the US? Almost all are very high crime countries, some political unrest. Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Jamaica, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, South Africa, Swaziland, Uruguay, Venezuela

We make up 4.4% of the gloal population but have 42% of all guns globally. The US has 101 guns per 100 people. That statistic alone is breath taking. No other country comes even close, mid 30's was the highest I saw. Canada, our closet neighbor geographically and demographically has 30.8 guns per person but only .38 homicides per 100,000 people.

I just looked at the link. Assuming wiki data is accurate, I was asking to compare total homicides by county to capture non-gun related homicides. This table shows gun related homocides only.

[Unregistered]

Yet Trump and the GOP only talk about mental health, never gun legislation. they're too afraid of the NRA

They weakened mental health and gun violence prevention legislation. They want to slash the budget for background checks.

They talk about mental health because it doesn’t hurt the nra. Their actions say otherwise

[Unregistered]

They weakened mental health and gun violence prevention legislation. They want to slash the budget for background checks.

They talk about mental health because it doesn’t hurt the nra. Their actions say otherwise

It is outrageous. But time passes and it fades, the NRA exhales and then nothing happens. Assault rifle carnage happens with regularity in this country. ( And only here)