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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    You Snowflakes are funny. Can you name one fact that points to a crime regarding Ukraine? If you can't, you'll get honorable mention if you can name one fact that points to an impeachable offense regarding Ukraine? Only condition is it has to be in your words. No cut and paste from MSM.
    Abuse of power: Donald tried to strong arm Ukraine into announcing an investigation into Biden by withholding congressionally approved aid. It was purely for personal gain and had nothing to do with national security or faux concerns about "corruption"

    Obstruction: Donald refuses to let his aids - who he claims can clear him - testify. He refuses to hand over requested documents, which also claims will clear him.

    Campaign Finance Violations: using campaign funds to pay off Stormy Daniels and having his pal Roger bury Karen McDougal's story.

    Emoluments Violations: from his DC Hotel (lobbyists and foreigners stay there to gain favor) and Trump properties when staff and security have to stay at his properties when he's there.

    Tax/Insurance/Finance Fraud: over or under inflating property values for tax filings, insurance and loan applications.

    Already has had to shutter Trump U and his faux charity for fraud and pay penalties

    Finally, I will remind you that a crime doesn't need to have been committed for impeachment to take place. Even Lindsay Graham said so 20 years ago with Bill Clinton. Of course now, Lindsay is too afraid of Trump to do the same thing.

    "You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office" https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/li...crime-impeach/

    - Not the op. I'm not a lawyer but I play one on TV

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Abuse of power: Donald tried to strong arm Ukraine into announcing an investigation into Biden by withholding congressionally approved aid. It was purely for personal gain and had nothing to do with national security or faux concerns about "corruption"

      Obstruction: Donald refuses to let his aids - who he claims can clear him - testify. He refuses to hand over requested documents, which also claims will clear him.

      Campaign Finance Violations: using campaign funds to pay off Stormy Daniels and having his pal Roger bury Karen McDougal's story.

      Emoluments Violations: from his DC Hotel (lobbyists and foreigners stay there to gain favor) and Trump properties when staff and security have to stay at his properties when he's there.

      Tax/Insurance/Finance Fraud: over or under inflating property values for tax filings, insurance and loan applications.

      Already has had to shutter Trump U and his faux charity for fraud and pay penalties

      Finally, I will remind you that a crime doesn't need to have been committed for impeachment to take place. Even Lindsay Graham said so 20 years ago with Bill Clinton. Of course now, Lindsay is too afraid of Trump to do the same thing.

      "You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office" https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/li...crime-impeach/

      - Not the op. I'm not a lawyer but I play one on TV
      Nice try Snowflake. You're just missing the evidence to back up even your non-crime claims:

      1) Explain exactly how he strong armed? Explain exactly who testified that he withheld aid in return for an investigation into the Bidens? Not even Mulvaney said what you claim when he publicly noted they do it all the time. Which they should BTW.

      2) That's not obstruction. That's using his executive privilege. There are three equal branches. If he disagrees with congress he has every right not to give them information. SCOTUS can decide if he should.

      3) Not a campaign violation. There is a dual purpose clause in the statute. John Edwards' case law that already supports this.

      4) No evidence anyone stays there to gain favor. Please use your head, do you this a billionaire will be swayed by a few hundred dollar hotel stay?

      5) The other two items are not related to his presidency nor are there any facts to back up your claim and there is not a company the size of Trump's business in the country that has not been sued for something. There is always someone trying to squeeze people with money.

      Again a lot of claims but no facts or evidence or anything to back up these alleged non criminal claims.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Amen brother. Don't forget Rudy Colludy either.
        Otherwise known around my place as “Fruity G”? Absolutely. Trump already has a previous personal lawyer in jail so seems like the natural order of things at this point.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          You Snowflakes are funny. Can you name one fact that points to a crime regarding Ukraine? If you can't, you'll get honorable mention if you can name one fact that points to an impeachable offense regarding Ukraine? Only condition is it has to be in your words. No cut and paste from MSM.
          Sure. FARA violations. Ya gotta register as a “foreign agent” to collide like Rudy did, especially now that it looks like he was angling for simultaneous personal gain via gas deals with the national company there. This is what Flynn plead guilty over and what he will
          Be sentenced for.

          Further, we have indictments with Parnas and the other guy, ongoing investigations of them and Rudy and others by SDNY .

          SDNY has already told us superseding indictments are coming ....so buckle up con.

          Lev Parnas is ready to tell us what he talked about with Nunes on those phone calls Deven doesn’t seem sure he took ....lol

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Nice try Snowflake. You're just missing the evidence to back up even your non-crime claims:

            1) Explain exactly how he strong armed? Explain exactly who testified that he withheld aid in return for an investigation into the Bidens? Not even Mulvaney said what you claim when he publicly noted they do it all the time. Which they should BTW.

            2) That's not obstruction. That's using his executive privilege. There are three equal branches. If he disagrees with congress he has every right not to give them information. SCOTUS can decide if he should.

            3) Not a campaign violation. There is a dual purpose clause in the statute. John Edwards' case law that already supports this.

            4) No evidence anyone stays there to gain favor. Please use your head, do you this a billionaire will be swayed by a few hundred dollar hotel stay?

            5) The other two items are not related to his presidency nor are there any facts to back up your claim and there is not a company the size of Trump's business in the country that has not been sued for something. There is always someone trying to squeeze people with money.

            Again a lot of claims but no facts or evidence or anything to back up these alleged non criminal claims.
            Different poster here ....

            Where is trumps campaign manager Manafort?

            Where is his personal lawyer Cohen.

            Where is Flynn going ?

            Come on con. You know what’s coming ....who was it ....maybe you should just lie back and enjoy it !

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Sure. FARA violations. Ya gotta register as a “foreign agent” to collide like Rudy did, especially now that it looks like he was angling for simultaneous personal gain via gas deals with the national company there. This is what Flynn plead guilty over and what he will
              Be sentenced for.

              Further, we have indictments with Parnas and the other guy, ongoing investigations of them and Rudy and others by SDNY .

              SDNY has already told us superseding indictments are coming ....so buckle up con.

              Lev Parnas is ready to tell us what he talked about with Nunes on those phone calls Deven doesn’t seem sure he took ....lol
              FARA and PARNAS is your answer? Maybe I should have let you cut and paste from MSM.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                You Snowflakes are funny. Can you name one fact that points to a crime regarding Ukraine? If you can't, you'll get honorable mention if you can name one fact that points to an impeachable offense regarding Ukraine? Only condition is it has to be in your words. No cut and paste from MSM.
                Good morning Snowflakes. Let’s try this a again and make it simpler. Just name one fact or quote, even from the hearsay witnesses, that clearly states trump withheld aid in return for an investigation into the Biden’s.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Abuse of power: Donald tried to strong arm Ukraine into announcing an investigation into Biden by withholding congressionally approved aid. It was purely for personal gain and had nothing to do with national security or faux concerns about "corruption"

                  Obstruction: Donald refuses to let his aids - who he claims can clear him - testify. He refuses to hand over requested documents, which also claims will clear him.

                  Campaign Finance Violations: using campaign funds to pay off Stormy Daniels and having his pal Roger bury Karen McDougal's story.

                  Emoluments Violations: from his DC Hotel (lobbyists and foreigners stay there to gain favor) and Trump properties when staff and security have to stay at his properties when he's there.

                  Tax/Insurance/Finance Fraud: over or under inflating property values for tax filings, insurance and loan applications.

                  Already has had to shutter Trump U and his faux charity for fraud and pay penalties

                  Finally, I will remind you that a crime doesn't need to have been committed for impeachment to take place. Even Lindsay Graham said so 20 years ago with Bill Clinton. Of course now, Lindsay is too afraid of Trump to do the same thing.

                  "You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office" https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/li...crime-impeach/

                  - Not the op. I'm not a lawyer but I play one on TV
                  Here’s the problem with your first claim and the problem the Democrat’s have. Putting aside even if there was evidence that aid was withheld in return for Biden’s investigation it wouldn’t be a crime, there is no evidence whatsoever that Trump withheld aid in return for an investigation into the Biden’s. Volcker's testimony explains exactly what happened. There was a hold on aid and not the first time aid was held by the Trump administration, several other bad acting countries aid were held before, Egypt, Honduras, etc, and Volcker wanted to get things moving so he was directed to work with Rudy to get things moving. Rudy recommended to Volcker that in return for a White House visit, Ukraine’s president would have to release a statement that they’re investing the 2016 election DCN server concern and Burisma. Never a mention of the Biden’s. In all the conversations between various people on the topic even on the Ukrainian side it was those two things in return for a visit. Ruby was politically savvy enough not to include the Biden’s name. None of this is illegal or improper.

                  The above is what happened and why this will go down in history is the biggest joke of an impeachment by a partisan house. Bill Clinton at least committed a crime (lying under oath) albeit that wasn’t worthy of impeachment either, there was a crime the republicans could point to. In this case there is nothing, nada, zero evidence of any wrongdoing.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Here’s the problem with your first claim and the problem the Democrat’s have. Putting aside even if there was evidence that aid was withheld in return for Biden’s investigation it wouldn’t be a crime, there is no evidence whatsoever that Trump withheld aid in return for an investigation into the Biden’s. Volcker's testimony explains exactly what happened. There was a hold on aid and not the first time aid was held by the Trump administration, several other bad acting countries aid were held before, Egypt, Honduras, etc, and Volcker wanted to get things moving so he was directed to work with Rudy to get things moving. Rudy recommended to Volcker that in return for a White House visit, Ukraine’s president would have to release a statement that they’re investing the 2016 election DCN server concern and Burisma. Never a mention of the Biden’s. In all the conversations between various people on the topic even on the Ukrainian side it was those two things in return for a visit. Ruby was politically savvy enough not to include the Biden’s name. None of this is illegal or improper.

                    The above is what happened and why this will go down in history is the biggest joke of an impeachment by a partisan house. Bill Clinton at least committed a crime (lying under oath) albeit that wasn’t worthy of impeachment either, there was a crime the republicans could point to. In this case there is nothing, nada, zero evidence of any wrongdoing.

                    I want him IMPEACHED!!!

                    I don’t care what you or the CULT party says about any evidence, he’s a despicable man.
                    He has No respect for Patriotic Americans and even worse, ones who served and died for this country. This is a man that dodged the draft and wouldn’t dare serve for this country.
                    He disgusts me and I’m ashamed to have voted for this nasty human being. What I see and know now convinced me that I will not vote for him again.

                    Good day.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Good morning Snowflakes. Let’s try this a again and make it simpler. Just name one fact or quote, even from the hearsay witnesses, that clearly states trump withheld aid in return for an investigation into the Biden’s.
                      You ignoring all the obstruction of justice stuff? Wasn’t that what Clinton was impeached for? Perjury and obstruction over the BJ?

                      So even though the BJ wasn’t a criminal act, the perjury and obstruction (the cover up) were sufficient for impeachment

                      The articles against Nixon were all about obstruction as well werent they ?

                      Please don’t think I’m conceding the foundational act by trump wasn’t criminal - it was - but why should we spend our Sunday morning arguing about that when you obviously know based on the Nixon and Clinton examples that there has been plenty of perjuring and obstructing , more than enough to trigger his impeachment.

                      See? Easy impeachment for Trump !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        I want him IMPEACHED!!!

                        I don’t care what you or the CULT party says about any evidence, he’s a despicable man.
                        He has No respect for Patriotic Americans and even worse, ones who served and died for this country. This is a man that dodged the draft and wouldn’t dare serve for this country.
                        He disgusts me and I’m ashamed to have voted for this nasty human being. What I see and know now convinced me that I will not vote for him again.

                        Good day.
                        On cue he had the vets he pardoned for war crimes as guests at a campaign event. One of them directed his men to fire on unarmed civilians.

                        Yes, Trump is a despicable unworthy person. My dad served his country for 5 years during wartime and I’m glad he isn’t here to see what has happened to a once honorable act - serving in the military of our country

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          You ignoring all the obstruction of justice stuff? Wasn’t that what Clinton was impeached for? Perjury and obstruction over the BJ?

                          So even though the BJ wasn’t a criminal act, the perjury and obstruction (the cover up) were sufficient for impeachment

                          The articles against Nixon were all about obstruction as well werent they ?

                          Please don’t think I’m conceding the foundational act by trump wasn’t criminal - it was - but why should we spend our Sunday morning arguing about that when you obviously know based on the Nixon and Clinton examples that there has been plenty of perjuring and obstructing , more than enough to trigger his impeachment.

                          See? Easy impeachment for Trump !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                          As usual you're not completely correct:

                          In the Clinton case there was a clear crime, perjury. The obstruction article of impeachment had to do with Paula Jones nothing about the BJ.

                          Nixon was never impeached. The articles that were drafted never reached the house for a vote. Nixon took the same approach that Trump did in withholding information from Congress. tapes and other materials. Congress took it to the SCOTUS and Nixon lost. Nixon knew what was in the tapes so he resigned.

                          In Trump's case he basically released the tapes (the phone call) day one and said here it is, it is PERFECT!

                          But again what i really want to know is what exactly was criminal about what Trump did?

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            On cue he had the vets he pardoned for war crimes as guests at a campaign event. One of them directed his men to fire on unarmed civilians.

                            Yes, Trump is a despicable unworthy person. My dad served his country for 5 years during wartime and I’m glad he isn’t here to see what has happened to a once honorable act - serving in the military of our country
                            Gallagher was acquitted on six of seven charges. The jury found him guilty of the seventh charge, of "wrongfully posing for an unofficial picture with a human casualty". Maybe getting facts straight might create less disdain in you heart.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Here’s the problem with your first claim and the problem the Democrat’s have. Putting aside even if there was evidence that aid was withheld in return for Biden’s investigation it wouldn’t be a crime, there is no evidence whatsoever that Trump withheld aid in return for an investigation into the Biden’s. Volcker's testimony explains exactly what happened. There was a hold on aid and not the first time aid was held by the Trump administration, several other bad acting countries aid were held before, Egypt, Honduras, etc, and Volcker wanted to get things moving so he was directed to work with Rudy to get things moving. Rudy recommended to Volcker that in return for a White House visit, Ukraine’s president would have to release a statement that they’re investing the 2016 election DCN server concern and Burisma. Never a mention of the Biden’s. In all the conversations between various people on the topic even on the Ukrainian side it was those two things in return for a visit. Ruby was politically savvy enough not to include the Biden’s name. None of this is illegal or improper.

                              The above is what happened and why this will go down in history is the biggest joke of an impeachment by a partisan house. Bill Clinton at least committed a crime (lying under oath) albeit that wasn’t worthy of impeachment either, there was a crime the republicans could point to. In this case there is nothing, nada, zero evidence of any wrongdoing.
                              Impeachment does not require a crime to be committed.....
                              (or show us where it says that in the constitution)
                              Obstructing congress alone is cause for impeachment....
                              Innocence does not need to hide...and lie
                              What is tRUMP scared of?
                              Simple ... the tRUTH
                              for him its the unknown ...
                              Unfortunately the Cons have adopted the same stupidity...

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                                dopes for donald

                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Gallagher was acquitted on six of seven charges. The jury found him guilty of the seventh charge, of "wrongfully posing for an unofficial picture with a human casualty". Maybe getting facts straight might create less disdain in you heart.
                                Oh well then... that makes everything better... typical Republickass response.... deny, deflect, disavow, disregard, distort.....

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