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    What EXACTLY makes a club “top” or “the best”?

    The other thread on this board about the “best” clubs in Washington is just a way for folks to flex their tribal loyalty to whatever club they currently belong to. The information contributed is completely unhelpful to any consumer wanting to figure out the points of real differentiation between youth clubs. What exactly do players and parents want from a club? Go beyond the stupidity of parents, flexing about which team won, which team lost, which league is best, which league is worst. Folks need to ask better questions and drive past the stupid “my club is best/your club sucks” flexing. What are the experiences parents want for their child? What is the type of environment parents want for their child? What kind of character and honesty do parents want in the Directors and club leaders? What are the traits parents want in the adult coaches, who work with their child… including ethical standards, moral standards, strength of character, leadership, abilities, kindness, capacity for authentic mentorship?

    if we focus on asking better questions, we will get better information to help folks see how the various clubs in our area measure up. if we are honest about it, we’ll start to see that diehard fans of their current club are putting up with substandard environments and substandard people, perhaps, as a trade-off for other things they can boast about to other adults, but have no real long-term value for their child.

    if we share, honest facts, and yes, personal opinions, about these kinds of issues we will all be able to make better informed decisions for our kids.

    A constructive dialogue on this board about these kinds of things would be valuable. Think of it as an organic community-based “Consumer Reports” about Seattle area youth soccer clubs. Share real info about things that really matter or should really matter. That would be a change for this board that has become more about hoping your own club and trashing another club, without providing any honest or measurable data about the things that really matter.

    if your instinct is to post, some kind of cynical or clever reply to this, just take a beat and move away from the keyboard and make a different and better decision.

    So let’s start with the list of important and nonnegotiable traits, characteristics, offerings, values, organizational structures, environments, etc. that go into making a youth club “top“ or one of “the best“. Then we can start measuring clubs constructively.

    #2
    Being named Crossfire makes a club the best. In all seriousness, given that families have choices, it depends on what the family values most. The best club for your family may be different than the best club for mine. That being said, soccer families are more similar than different, so we shouldn't be so tribal. Unfortunately, competitive soccer is an anxiety fueling endeavor and every club has its flaws that makes us insecure about our choice. That kicks our tribal mode into high gear.

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      #3
      It's a reasonable question to ask but one without a reasonable way to answer. Asking what's the best club is like asking what's the best restaurant or vacation place. It's so subjective and conditional on individual priorities. I can say a steak restaurant is the best but maybe you like sushi. Hawaii is the best vacation spot unless you like to ski. You are probably investing too much time into this if you think there needs to be a Consumer Reports for youth soccer clubs

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        #4
        Originally posted by Guest View Post
        It's a reasonable question to ask but one without a reasonable way to answer. Asking what's the best club is like asking what's the best restaurant or vacation place. It's so subjective and conditional on individual priorities. I can say a steak restaurant is the best but maybe you like sushi. Hawaii is the best vacation spot unless you like to ski. You are probably investing too much time into this if you think there needs to be a Consumer Reports for youth soccer clubs
        Agreed. It says a lot about how soccer is sold in this country. There is no objective best. There are too may personal factors that no one can evaluate but you.

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          #5
          “Folks”… Its easy to figure out which Executive Director posted this. Come on bud.

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            #6
            XF is the best club but for all the wrong reasons. Their coaching is actually terrible and they are not interested in developing players. They thrive in taking the best players from all the other clubs. They make super teams but at the expense of their own kids who they toss aside regularly. Terrible organization.

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              #7
              It’s a shame when leadership shares false stories about why coaches leave and lie about it in public settings/ meetings.

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                #8
                “folks”, pretty obvious who wrote this! Now they are trying to change soccer in WA! Focus on tryouts this weekend.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Guest View Post
                  “folks”, pretty obvious who wrote this! Now they are trying to change soccer in WA! Focus on tryouts this weekend.
                  For those of us who don’t know what’s going on, who wrote it and likes to use “folks” a lot? lol

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Guest View Post

                    For those of us who don’t know what’s going on, who wrote it and likes to use “folks” a lot? lol
                    Rory.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Guest View Post
                      The other thread on this board about the “best” clubs in Washington is just a way for folks to flex their tribal loyalty to whatever club they currently belong to. The information contributed is completely unhelpful to any consumer wanting to figure out the points of real differentiation between youth clubs. What exactly do players and parents want from a club? Go beyond the stupidity of parents, flexing about which team won, which team lost, which league is best, which league is worst. Folks need to ask better questions and drive past the stupid “my club is best/your club sucks” flexing. What are the experiences parents want for their child? What is the type of environment parents want for their child? What kind of character and honesty do parents want in the Directors and club leaders? What are the traits parents want in the adult coaches, who work with their child… including ethical standards, moral standards, strength of character, leadership, abilities, kindness, capacity for authentic mentorship?

                      if we focus on asking better questions, we will get better information to help folks see how the various clubs in our area measure up. if we are honest about it, we’ll start to see that diehard fans of their current club are putting up with substandard environments and substandard people, perhaps, as a trade-off for other things they can boast about to other adults, but have no real long-term value for their child.

                      if we share, honest facts, and yes, personal opinions, about these kinds of issues we will all be able to make better informed decisions for our kids.

                      A constructive dialogue on this board about these kinds of things would be valuable. Think of it as an organic community-based “Consumer Reports” about Seattle area youth soccer clubs. Share real info about things that really matter or should really matter. That would be a change for this board that has become more about hoping your own club and trashing another club, without providing any honest or measurable data about the things that really matter.

                      if your instinct is to post, some kind of cynical or clever reply to this, just take a beat and move away from the keyboard and make a different and better decision.

                      So let’s start with the list of important and nonnegotiable traits, characteristics, offerings, values, organizational structures, environments, etc. that go into making a youth club “top“ or one of “the best“. Then we can start measuring clubs constructively.
                      Characteristics

                      1) Leadership honesty
                      2) Leadership honesty
                      3) Leadership honesty
                      4) Absence of Rory

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Guest View Post
                        XF is the best club but for all the wrong reasons. Their coaching is actually terrible and they are not interested in developing players. They thrive in taking the best players from all the other clubs. They make super teams but at the expense of their own kids who they toss aside regularly. Terrible organization.
                        So your kid got cut. Got it.

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