Timbers, Politics, and Human Rights

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He literally tweeted it you cuck

The #TDS is strong with you too.

IDGAF what Merritt tweets, or what he thinks. You should try it.

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The #TDS is strong with you too.

IDGAF what Merritt tweets, or what he thinks. You should try it.

Only one who cares what he thinks are Peregrine apologists. What he does can **** things up in this little corner of the soccer universe.

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He literally tweeted it you cuck

The only people who say "cuck" are Nazis and incels.

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Nobody cares about Merritt or the Army except themselves and that 1 reporter for the Oregonian. They are all insignificant and think they are more important than they are.

#mtga (Make Timbers Great Again)

It's possible the Army is keeping more fans away. If they left I wonder what a new supporters group would be like? Couldn't be worse. And maybe they wouldn't get so butt hurt about their Nazi symbol. I mean Iron Cross or whatever.

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Nobody cares about Merritt or the Army except themselves and that 1 reporter for the Oregonian. They are all insignificant and think they are more important than they are.

#mtga (Make Timbers Great Again)

It's possible the Army is keeping more fans away. If they left I wonder what a new supporters group would be like? Couldn't be worse. And maybe they wouldn't get so butt hurt about their Nazi symbol. I mean Iron Cross or whatever.

You need to practice your trolling. I suggest reading Lalas on twitter.

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Nobody cares about Merritt or the Army except themselves and that 1 reporter for the Oregonian. They are all insignificant and think they are more important than they are.

#mtga (Make Timbers Great Again)

It's possible the Army is keeping more fans away. If they left I wonder what a new supporters group would be like? Couldn't be worse. And maybe they wouldn't get so butt hurt about their Nazi symbol. I mean Iron Cross or whatever.

Hold this L for us

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Did Merritt’s daddy buy the Timbers for him? Did he ever achieved anything before daddy bought it for him?

Daddy bought him the timbers. 99%of the value created by the Timbers Army. He worthless.

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99%of the value created by the Timbers Army. He worthless.

Be great if the army left and a new more mature game/team focus supporter group replaced them. The freaks, the weed and Nazi symbol is divisive. Pretty sure most the players find them annoying half the time.

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Daddy bought him the timbers. 99%of the value created by the Timbers Army. He worthless.

99% of the value of a professional soccer team is created by a particular group of fans?

Put down the bong, son.

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99% of the value of a professional soccer team is created by a particular group of fans?

Put down the bong, son.

He/she is right. Going to an mls game in most cities is pretty boring. Face it the soccer is not that good on a world wide level. What has always been exciting is walking into the stadium 15 minutes prior to a game and seeing and feeling the thundering chants waving flags and electricity. That created demand. That fueled the frenzy for season tickets. Take that away and you’d lose the hipsters, preppies and other non-soccer people who are there for the spectacle. The success for the Timbers as an overpriced beer and hot dog company is mostly due to the Army.

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He/she is right. Going to an mls game in most cities is pretty boring. Face it the soccer is not that good on a world wide level. What has always been exciting is walking into the stadium 15 minutes prior to a game and seeing and feeling the thundering chants waving flags and electricity. That created demand. That fueled the frenzy for season tickets. Take that away and you’d lose the hipsters, preppies and other non-soccer people who are there for the spectacle. The success for the Timbers as an overpriced beer and hot dog company is mostly due to the Army.

Son, this is an argument has been going on for centuries. Who is most responsible (and thus entitled to the lion's share of the profits) for a successful business enterprise? Is it:

* the owners, who provide the necessary capital inputs (land, equipment, factories, tools, inventories)?
* the management, who direct the work?
* the workers, who perform the work?
* the bank, who finances the enterprise?
* the State, who provides a stable political and economic climate in which business might be conducted without the world going Mad Max?

Tens of millions of people have DIED over this question. (A fellow named Karl Marx, you may have heard of him, suggested that the only correct answer was "the workers").

I'm not aware of anyone who thinks it's "the customers".

Of course, customers ARE necessary--and the correct answer to the question is "all of the above", as all the ingredients must be present to bake the cake. Essentially, it comes down to a game of chicken--if the work stops because one of the groups refuses to participate, who says "uncle" first?

Using that analysis--what happens were the Timbers Army to quit attending Timbers' games? I'm not sure such a thing will happen, if anything last Friday proved that there are a lot of political divisions within the ranks, between the "we gotta fight Trump and fascism!" crowd, the "get out of here with that political sh1t and watch the fvcking game!" crowd, and even a few quite "make America great again" supporters, who know better to wear their red hats to games but get fussy when asked to support politics they abhor. But what if--everyone in the 107th ripped up their season tickets and burned effigies of Merrit Paulsen on Burnside Street?

Short term--the waitlist for season tickets would shrink, as the seats would be snapped up. Perhaps a new Timbers Army (or a more corporate-friendly supporters group with a different name) would be formed, one which would still sing songs and make tifos and drink lots of expensive beer, but without all the F words and calls to sack the GM and such. The main risk to MP's bottom line would be if the team started to suck (and I mean REALLY suck); would he start seeing empty seats in the stadium?

The Army is important to the team's success. But so are the rest of the fans at Providence Park. So is Gio Savaresse. So are Diego Valeri, Sebastian Blanco, and the rest of the players on the pitch. And so, even, is GW. And so is MP, without whose stolen-from-the-taxpayers-by-Dad money the Timbers might still be a USL side playing in the PGE Park outfield, with the Army protesting to their hearts content because nobody else cares.

Have a nice day.

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Son, this is an argument has been going on for centuries. Who is most responsible (and thus entitled to the lion's share of the profits) for a successful business enterprise? Is it:

* the owners, who provide the necessary capital inputs (land, equipment, factories, tools, inventories)?
* the management, who direct the work?
* the workers, who perform the work?
* the bank, who finances the enterprise?
* the State, who provides a stable political and economic climate in which business might be conducted without the world going Mad Max?

Tens of millions of people have DIED over this question. (A fellow named Karl Marx, you may have heard of him, suggested that the only correct answer was "the workers").

I'm not aware of anyone who thinks it's "the customers".

Of course, customers ARE necessary--and the correct answer to the question is "all of the above", as all the ingredients must be present to bake the cake. Essentially, it comes down to a game of chicken--if the work stops because one of the groups refuses to participate, who says "uncle" first?

Using that analysis--what happens were the Timbers Army to quit attending Timbers' games? I'm not sure such a thing will happen, if anything last Friday proved that there are a lot of political divisions within the ranks, between the "we gotta fight Trump and fascism!" crowd, the "get out of here with that political sh1t and watch the fvcking game!" crowd, and even a few quite "make America great again" supporters, who know better to wear their red hats to games but get fussy when asked to support politics they abhor. But what if--everyone in the 107th ripped up their season tickets and burned effigies of Merrit Paulsen on Burnside Street?

Short term--the waitlist for season tickets would shrink, as the seats would be snapped up. Perhaps a new Timbers Army (or a more corporate-friendly supporters group with a different name) would be formed, one which would still sing songs and make tifos and drink lots of expensive beer, but without all the F words and calls to sack the GM and such. The main risk to MP's bottom line would be if the team started to suck (and I mean REALLY suck); would he start seeing empty seats in the stadium?

The Army is important to the team's success. But so are the rest of the fans at Providence Park. So is Gio Savaresse. So are Diego Valeri, Sebastian Blanco, and the rest of the players on the pitch. And so, even, is GW. And so is MP, without whose stolen-from-the-taxpayers-by-Dad money the Timbers might still be a USL side playing in the PGE Park outfield, with the Army protesting to their hearts content because nobody else cares.

Have a nice day.

Man, that's a pretty good post. I wish there was a like button.

Timbers had fans when the suck. They've sold everything. I disagree the game (MLS) isn't good. They put on a pretty good show. I purposely avoid tickets near the Army and everyone I know does the same.

If anything the TA has a higher % of people there to be in the TA vs. there for a game and they bring their politics. Maybe MP wants to get rid of that. And if that means losing the Army and it replaced by something else, so be it.

Maybe the Army can give them another 33 minute temper tantrum and let the club see if they are really missing something. I doubt it.

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Son, this is an argument has been going on for centuries. Who is most responsible (and thus entitled to the lion's share of the profits) for a successful business enterprise? Is it:

* the owners, who provide the necessary capital inputs (land, equipment, factories, tools, inventories)?
* the management, who direct the work?
* the workers, who perform the work?
* the bank, who finances the enterprise?
* the State, who provides a stable political and economic climate in which business might be conducted without the world going Mad Max?

Tens of millions of people have DIED over this question. (A fellow named Karl Marx, you may have heard of him, suggested that the only correct answer was "the workers").

I'm not aware of anyone who thinks it's "the customers".

Of course, customers ARE necessary--and the correct answer to the question is "all of the above", as all the ingredients must be present to bake the cake. Essentially, it comes down to a game of chicken--if the work stops because one of the groups refuses to participate, who says "uncle" first?

Using that analysis--what happens were the Timbers Army to quit attending Timbers' games? I'm not sure such a thing will happen, if anything last Friday proved that there are a lot of political divisions within the ranks, between the "we gotta fight Trump and fascism!" crowd, the "get out of here with that political sh1t and watch the fvcking game!" crowd, and even a few quite "make America great again" supporters, who know better to wear their red hats to games but get fussy when asked to support politics they abhor. But what if--everyone in the 107th ripped up their season tickets and burned effigies of Merrit Paulsen on Burnside Street?

Short term--the waitlist for season tickets would shrink, as the seats would be snapped up. Perhaps a new Timbers Army (or a more corporate-friendly supporters group with a different name) would be formed, one which would still sing songs and make tifos and drink lots of expensive beer, but without all the F words and calls to sack the GM and such. The main risk to MP's bottom line would be if the team started to suck (and I mean REALLY suck); would he start seeing empty seats in the stadium?

The Army is important to the team's success. But so are the rest of the fans at Providence Park. So is Gio Savaresse. So are Diego Valeri, Sebastian Blanco, and the rest of the players on the pitch. And so, even, is GW. And so is MP, without whose stolen-from-the-taxpayers-by-Dad money the Timbers might still be a USL side playing in the PGE Park outfield, with the Army protesting to their hearts content because nobody else cares.

Have a nice day.

Except that free-market analogies break down when

1) teams play in public stadiums, with large degree of public dollars
2) a city's willingness to support a team's use of public facilities is heavily influenced by what city voters want and independent supporters' groups (the Army being just one of them) are a very loud and focused portion of that constituency (they actually show up at city council meetings)
3) MLS is a monopoly within a given city (they cannot control tv or the global market for talent, where they are poor performers, but inside a given city they are a monopoly)

Regardless, I don't think this a fight Timbers wanted at all and was partially imposed on them by MLS. Noone wins in this fight.

Only good thing is that maybe some progressive urbanites have woken up to the fact that Peregrine's values don't fully align with their own. Maybe EPL just won a few more fans in Portland. Disillusionment can be painful, but its called growing up.

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Except that free-market analogies break down when

1) teams play in public stadiums, with large degree of public dollars
2) a city's willingness to support a team's use of public facilities is heavily influenced by what city voters want and independent supporters' groups (the Army being just one of them) are a very loud and focused portion of that constituency (they actually show up at city council meetings)
3) MLS is a monopoly within a given city (they cannot control tv or the global market for talent, where they are poor performers, but inside a given city they are a monopoly)

Regardless, I don't think this a fight Timbers wanted at all and was partially imposed on them by MLS. Noone wins in this fight.

Only good thing is that maybe some progressive urbanites have woken up to the fact that Peregrine's values don't fully align with their own. Maybe EPL just won a few more fans in Portland. Disillusionment can be painful, but its called growing up.

All true, though I never said anything about "free markets". Economic analysis works on non-free markets, too, you just need to understand the rules of the game.

As far as EPL goes--the politics around European soccer are far nastier than here, and in many cases viciously right-wing instead of passive-aggressive left-wing. Many great football rivalries are informed by politics. Celtic vs Rangers is animated by the Catholic/Protestant troubles that have long plagued the British Isles ever since Henry VIII told the old lady to get lost. Liverpool and their fans have long been the English equivalent of "dirty fvcking hippies", which is why the establishment was so quick to blame the Hillsborough disaster on the victims.

Politics, generally, hasn't much informed US sporting rivalries--as Friday proved, many Timbers and Flounders' fans agree on politics. Probably the closest thing to it here in Portland is the Thorns vs the NC Courage--one team full of out-and-proud gay women, both on the pitch and in the stands, the other featuring Jeanine Hinkle, who has become the Margaret Court of women's soccer, both in the skill of her play (she's one of the best American players of the current generation, and would have easily started for the USWNT if the rest of the team could stand to play with her) and in her entanglement with nasty right-wing politics. But even then, you don't hear Thorns fans (publicly at least) stating to desire to beat the Courage for political reasons.

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Look son, quit posting and replaying to your own posts. You’ll go blind.