Official Exits from GDA

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Oysa is a member organization - its purpose is in part to serve its members, which are the clubs. Vendors of oysa such as timbers should not be using oysa to work against its members.
Thorns is just another pay-to-play program in a platform that has some serious weaknesses.Correct that clubs do not own players, but timbers do not own oysa and it is not their play thing.By the way, i think you are the parasite - cozying up to timbers for god knows what reason. Maybe an alliance coach kissing up to the mothership or a timbers intern; really does not matter, for the game to thrive in this state we need to change the long history here of timbers manipulating youth organizations.

Seriously wake up, Spanky.

Timbers & Thorns are professional Soccer clubs in the top flight domestic MLS & NWSL. That is a fact.

This is their core identity: a Pro Soccer Club. If they have youth camps, player appearances and serve as partners with the OYSA for leagues, cups & ODP so be it. You are welcome to love it, hate it or care less.

They have their own well funded youth development academy and US Soccer has made them the lone DA program in Oregon. They do not intersect with our local USYS or US Club member teams/clubs.

When they select the best of the best from our area, its a step up from the local non-profit amateur community club platform. Providing a Professional training enviornment coaches, top competition and its subsidized. (payed for)

IIdentifying the best of the best through RTC ODP sessions and competition is a no brainer. Whereas HS, US Club & OYSA play is so watered down and diluted nobody could make heads or tails of player ability in those environments.

The greatest manipulation is done at the pay a fortune to travel clubs, who convince average high school girls to travel all over this God forsaken country when their ability is really limited to instate play.

Manipulate that robo dialer.

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OYSA's mission is to promote youth soccer in Oregon in general, not just serve as handmaiden to its clubs. Clubs, of course, are an important part of this mission, but then so are players, parents, and coaches. At any rate, OYSA as an institution is free to set policy on matters such as recruitment. Individual clubs and coaches therein don't get to claim the mantle of OYSA in demanding e.g. that the Timbers not recruit their players.

Personally, I wouldn't object if clubs could declare themselves to be "no-recruit", meaning Timbers and Thorns are politely (and publicly) asked to refrain from considering said clubs' players at ODP and other events, unless contacted by the player. But that list should be public, and should be published before tryouts, so knowledgeable soccer families will know which clubs to avoid.

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That, sadly, is close to true. They're not "just another pay-to-play program"--the training is year-round and the competition is more intense than anything you'll see in either OYSA or the ECNL Northwest division; but the cost to families is high enough that effectively they are pay-to-play, even if far more of the actual cost is subsidized than at a local club.

]QUOTE]Correct that clubs do not own players, but timbers do not own oysa and it is not their play thing.

Exactly. Timbers do not own OYSA. I think we agree here. Some people frequently allege otherwise.

But OYSA has long taken the view that ODP is, among other things, a forum for top talent to be scouted for inclusion in higher-level programs. If an individual club disagrees with this mission, then it shouldn't encourage its players to attend (and nor, in this case, should it get to supply coaches), and let everyone know why. But individual clubs do not get to pretend that their particular preferences are the position of OYSA, or otherwise assert a veto over what OYSA or its partners do.



For most of the "long history" of Oregon youth soccer, the Timbers either did not exist or were a dubious team in some dubious league, and as such were entirely irrelevant. (One of the prior incarnations of the Timbers was previously called "FC Portland", not sure if that has anything to do with the current youth club by that name). There's a big gap between the collapse of the NASL and MP starting a USL franchise, selling off the Beavers, and ripping the baseball diamond out of PGE Park (as it was then known).

But I know, I know... your position is the correct one, and anyone who disagrees with you is either a "Timbers intern", or an "alliance coach", or some other shill. My only response to such nonsense is to quote Shakespeare: "Methinks the lady doth protest too much".[/QUOTE]

You are tainted not because we disagree, but because you implicitly threaten clubs above who don't automatically align with Peregrine (i.e. publish the list in advance of tryouts).

The most critical voices within OYSA right now aren't threatening to leave and aren't necessarily ECNL clubs; they just don't want Peregrine or anyone else using the OYSA/ODP banner against the clubs.

In terms of what this lady protests - with the entrance of MLS franchises into youth soccer, in particular into pay-to-play soccer, independent clubs need to be looked after. Not necessarily to the detriment of MLS franchises, but in part because the shadow of MLS is so large and highly fallible (in the latter case, like any other organization).

In Oregon, hopefully OYSA does that, although in the past they seem to get starry eyed any time Gavin gives them a call.

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Your sure are quick to attribute bad intentions to any club that doesn't align with Peregrine's view.

Hey, you're the one who suggested I might be an Alliance coach (I'm not). I made no suggestions about who you are or what your role is.

However, the clubs who whine the loudest about Timbers and Thorns recruiting their players--are the ones who play the dirtiest in the recruiting game. Coincidence? I think not--if you are convinced that being a top club means bringing in (rather than developing) the top players, than not only are you going to have an aggressive offense on the recruiting front, but an aggressive defense as well.

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OYSA members don't own players. This mindset--that a pay-to-play club has a moral right of some sort to retain the kids who are members and block them from moving elsewhere, is a cancer on youth soccer. Any club that has this attitude--that kids who want to move to a better opportunity are betraying the club--does not have players' or families' best interest at heart.

And obviously, you fail to understand the purpose of ODP, which is twofold. One purpose is to get elite players together for joint training with top coaches, and a better experience than they can get at their club. But the other purpose is identifying and recruiting the top talent to the higher-level platforms. Back when this meant a part-time gig at a national team camp, nobody seemed to object when the occasional unicorn would disappear for a few weeks, and everyone was proud if their kid managed to get capped. But now that there's a MLS academy in town--it's suddenly a horrible thing that a scouting and recruiting platform was being used for--gasp--scouting and recruiting.

And further--the biggest parasites at ODP aren't the Timbers, who are perfectly honest about what they are doing. It's some of the ODP staff coaches who (ab)use their positions to recruit for their other clubs. The Timbers, after all, don't compete with OYSA clubs on the field; if one of your players gets a green shirt, he's not going to be lining up against you next Saturday, or in the state cup semifinals.

But then, Oregon is a recruiting-allowed state, so I guess all's fair...

Sad but true.

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When does the DA publish their map of clubs for 2019 / 2020?

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Impressive list of elite teams leaving GDA for ECNL.

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Impressive list of elite 74 clubs selected for DA.

2017-18 U.S. Soccer Girls Development Academy Clubs (complete field)
CALIFORNIA-SOUTH (11): Beach FC, Eagles SC, LA Galaxy San Diego, LA Premier, Legends FC, LAFC-Slammers, Pateadores, Real So Cal, San Diego Surf, So Cal Blues, West Coast Futbol Club.
FLORIDA (7): Boca United, Clay County SC, IMG Academy, Jacksonville Armada Youth Academy (JFC), Orlando Pride/City SC, West Florida Flames, Weston FC.
CALIFORNIA-NORTH (6): Burlingame SC-MVLA, Davis Legacy-San Juan SC, De Anza Force, Lamorinda, Mustang, PSV Union.
NEW YORK (5): East Meadow SC, Empire United, Fury New York, Western New York Flash, World Class FC.
NEW JERSEY (3): Cedar Stars Academy-Monmouth, Match Fit Academy, Sky Blue FC-PDA.
TEXAS-SOUTH (4): Lonestar SC, Houston Dash, Houston United, Texas Rush.
TEXAS-NORTH (4): Dallas Texans, Sting Soccer Club, FC Dallas, Solar Chelsea SC.
MICHIGAN (3): Michigan Hawks, Midwest United, Nationals.
VIRGINIA (3): FC Virginia, Virginia Development Academy, Washington Spirit-Virginia.
WASHINGTON (3): Eastside FC, Crossfire, Seattle Reign.
COLORADO (2): Colorado Rush, Real Colorado.
GEORGIA (2): Concorde Fire, Tophat NTH.
ILLINOIS (2): Eclipse Select, Sockers FC.
KANSAS (2): FC Kansas City, Sporting Blue Valley.
MASSACHUSETTS (2): FC Stars, Boston Breakers.
ARIZONA (2): SC del Sol, Sereno SC.
NORTH CAROLINA (2): CASL, Charlotte Soccer Academy.
PENNSYLANIA (2): PA Classics, Penn Fusion SA.
CONNECTICUT (1): Oakwood SC.
INDIANA (1): Indiana Fire.
ILLINOIS (1): FC United
MARYLAND (1): Washington Spirit-Maryland.
MINNESOTA (1): Shattuck-St. Mary's.
OHIO (1): Cincinnati Development Academy/Kings Hammer/CUP.
OKLAHOMA (1): TSC Hurricane.
OREGON (1): Portland Thorns.
UTAH (1): La Roca Futbol Club.

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2017-18 U.S. Soccer Girls Development Academy Clubs (complete field)
CALIFORNIA-SOUTH (11): Beach FC, Eagles SC, LA Galaxy San Diego, LA Premier, Legends FC, LAFC-Slammers, Pateadores, Real So Cal, San Diego Surf, So Cal Blues, West Coast Futbol Club.
FLORIDA (7): Boca United, Clay County SC, IMG Academy, Jacksonville Armada Youth Academy (JFC), Orlando Pride/City SC, West Florida Flames, Weston FC.
CALIFORNIA-NORTH (6): Burlingame SC-MVLA, Davis Legacy-San Juan SC, De Anza Force, Lamorinda, Mustang, PSV Union.
NEW YORK (5): East Meadow SC, Empire United, Fury New York, Western New York Flash, World Class FC.
NEW JERSEY (3): Cedar Stars Academy-Monmouth, Match Fit Academy, Sky Blue FC-PDA.
TEXAS-SOUTH (4): Lonestar SC, Houston Dash, Houston United, Texas Rush.
TEXAS-NORTH (4): Dallas Texans, Sting Soccer Club, FC Dallas, Solar Chelsea SC.
MICHIGAN (3): Michigan Hawks, Midwest United, Nationals.
VIRGINIA (3): FC Virginia, Virginia Development Academy, Washington Spirit-Virginia.
WASHINGTON (3): Eastside FC, Crossfire, Seattle Reign.
COLORADO (2): Colorado Rush, Real Colorado.
GEORGIA (2): Concorde Fire, Tophat NTH.
ILLINOIS (2): Eclipse Select, Sockers FC.
KANSAS (2): FC Kansas City, Sporting Blue Valley.
MASSACHUSETTS (2): FC Stars, Boston Breakers.
ARIZONA (2): SC del Sol, Sereno SC.
NORTH CAROLINA (2): CASL, Charlotte Soccer Academy.
PENNSYLANIA (2): PA Classics, Penn Fusion SA.
CONNECTICUT (1): Oakwood SC.
INDIANA (1): Indiana Fire.
ILLINOIS (1): FC United
MARYLAND (1): Washington Spirit-Maryland.
MINNESOTA (1): Shattuck-St. Mary's.
OHIO (1): Cincinnati Development Academy/Kings Hammer/CUP.
OKLAHOMA (1): TSC Hurricane.
OREGON (1): Portland Thorns.
UTAH (1): La Roca Futbol Club.

This was for 2017-18? Many of these are gone for 2019-20

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This was for 2017-18? Many of these are gone for 2019-20

Yes, but USYS or US Club haven't taken back 80 clubs in one year like the DA . Also the DA just gain another club from the waiting list if a club goes back to strictly USYS or US Club play.

It's not like 80 clubs are leaving the DA and joining USYS or US Club.

Celebrating the movement is bizarre since not 1 oregon local club ever had the chance to leave the DA or turn it down.

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Yes, but USYS or US Club haven't taken back 80 clubs in one year like the DA . Also the DA just gain another club from the waiting list if a club goes back to strictly USYS or US Club play.

It's not like 80 clubs are leaving the DA and joining USYS or US Club.

Celebrating the movement is bizarre since not 1 oregon local club ever had the chance to leave the DA or turn it down.

I'm sure you mean "girls" here. Otherwise, Cony says hello.

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seems that gda is adding teams, not losing them

http://www.ussoccerda.com/20190220-N...r-19-20-Season

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seems that gda is adding teams, not losing them

http://www.ussoccerda.com/20190220-N...r-19-20-Season

They are losing the top clubs. Backfilling with so-so clubs to fill numbers.

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Yes, but USYS or US Club haven't taken back 80 clubs in one year like the DA . Also the DA just gain another club from the waiting list if a club goes back to strictly USYS or US Club play.

It's not like 80 clubs are leaving the DA and joining USYS or US Club.

Celebrating the movement is bizarre since not 1 oregon local club ever had the chance to leave the DA or turn it down.

It's not about the total number but who has left vs who came in. The later isn't nearly as strong as the drone, not even close. There's been at least ten top clubs across the US that left GDA. Their replacements are mid level NPL clubs, many of which had little choice - can't get into ECNL and NPL is getting weaker. It's survival mode for them, not coming in from a position of strength

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It's not about the total number but who has left vs who came in. The later isn't nearly as strong as the drone, not even close. There's been at least ten top clubs across the US that left GDA. Their replacements are mid level NPL clubs, many of which had little choice - can't get into ECNL and NPL is getting weaker. It's survival mode for them, not coming in from a position of strength

DA replaced FC Stars with the soccer powerhouse Seacoast United.

How about Michigan Jaguars for Michigan Hawks.

I heard that Issaquah Gunners will be the replacement for Crossfire Premier.

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It's not about the total number but who has left vs who came in. The later isn't nearly as strong as the drone, not even close. There's been at least ten top clubs across the US that left GDA. Their replacements are mid level NPL clubs, many of which had little choice - can't get into ECNL and NPL is getting weaker. It's survival mode for them, not coming in from a position of strength

What are great way to frame USYS & US Club's current composition of clubs and teams post GDA.

When USYS lost a few club teams to the GDA it wasn't even a drop in the bucket given their scope and size. On the other hand the tiny US Club ecnl was gutted to it's core and had to recruit teams below the level of the Oregon fodder clubs, just to stay afloat. They couldn't survive unless they accepted 50 or more teams asap in 2017, guess what they decided to accept 'b' & 'c' teams from the clubs that had moved up to the DA and then reached into even more remote areas of the country's to clubs that would help fill the massive void left after the DA rapture. Regardless of club quality or standard.

This history is documented.