American Youth Shouldn't Keep Scores/Standings

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Ajax Youth Weekend results:

U11
Ajax 31-4 v PSV
U10
Ajax 23-12 v PSV
U9
Ajax 25-5 v ADO Den Haag

"These results are no once off. The difference is at Ajax the result is viewed as a consequence of the development & not seen as something that effects it!"

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Ajax Youth Weekend results:

U11
Ajax 31-4 v PSV
U10
Ajax 23-12 v PSV
U9
Ajax 25-5 v ADO Den Haag

"These results are no once off. The difference is at Ajax the result is viewed as a consequence of the development & not seen as something that effects it!"

Lol. You're grabbing one aspect of Ajax's development approach and trying to apply it to a different context in order to make a point about...what, exactly?

The team you're worried about and Ajax is, well, a world apart. We could decide to put your team's scores up in lights and you'd still not have eff all to show for it at the end of the day.

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Ajax Youth Weekend results:

U11
Ajax 31-4 v PSV
U10
Ajax 23-12 v PSV
U9
Ajax 25-5 v ADO Den Haag

"These results are no once off. The difference is at Ajax the result is viewed as a consequence of the development & not seen as something that effects it!"

Are those scorelines--i.e. Ajax scored 31 goals in a match against PSV and gave up 4?

If Ajax is outscoring opponents by 20+ goals in a match, they need better competition. Being the top club in Holland, it wouldn't surprise me their youth academy can clobber other teams like this, but I wonder how much is better coaching/training and how much is recruiting the top kids, especially in children's age groups.

And of course, you'll notice that OYSA doesn't publish scores at these ages. (Other state do.)

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Lol. You're grabbing one aspect of Ajax's development approach and trying to apply it to a different context in order to make a point about...what, exactly?

The team you're worried about and Ajax is, well, a world apart. We could decide to put your team's scores up in lights and you'd still not have eff all to show for it at the end of the day.

Know it all bureaucrats constantly attempt to restructure youth soccer in this country based on some unproven theory or because "it is the way it is done everywhere else in the world". It is a constant cycle of poorly though-out initiatives rolled-out on a big scale, where those pronouncing the initiative don't have to live with the ramifications.

Further, what is described as being done "every else in the world" often doesn't end up being the case. De-emphasizing standings at u11 in Oregon was but one of many examples.

Love of all aspects of dutch soccer is a particularly strange fetish in this country, in light of the fact (i) they have never won a world cup, (ii) like us didn't make the last world cup, (iii) are a very small country, surrounded by soccer powers (unlike a continental US with immense size across 4 time zones); and (iv) aren't very good on the women's side. Despite all of that, a dutch accent seems to put you in high standing at US Soccer.

In this case, we don't appear to be following the dutch on this subject, despite the fact that de-emphasizing winning at younger ages "is the way the rest of the world works", or so we have been told.

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Ajax Youth Weekend results:

U11
Ajax 31-4 v PSV
U10
Ajax 23-12 v PSV
U9
Ajax 25-5 v ADO Den Haag

"These results are no once off. The difference is at Ajax the result is viewed as a consequence of the development & not seen as something that effects it!"

Link?

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Link?

Keepitonthedeck.com (coaching community) posted on Twitter. Not the first to point out that Ajax youth teams beat the living crap out of other Dutch teams and aren't afraid to post the results.

By the way, not advocating such brutal scores at that age, just believe there has been insufficient critical thought applied to some of US Soccer's rollouts.

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de-emphasizing winning at younger ages "is the way the rest of the world works", or so we have been told.

You think Ajax prioritizes winning over development at the younger ages? See, when you remove details of a development programme from the context in which they're employed, you lose the plot.

We see every weekend - from Timbers down to rec - choices being made that emphasize winning at the expense of development. Then, when we go look at why we don't get developmental results, we try and cherry pick one of the very few things we're actually prepared to do: just win, baby.

Instead of trying to borrow the only thing you understand from Ajax, why don't you look deeper?

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I actually am all for not having scores shown on a website at least not until U13 at the youngest. Honestly why do we need scores on a website? You were at your kids game, and you know if they won or lost. The kids are still competing to win the game and they know how they did that year. The only difference is they have no clue where they stand record wise with everyone else. Where they stand with everyone else has zero to do with development, so we should get rid of it.

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You think Ajax prioritizes winning over development at the younger ages? See, when you remove details of a development programme from the context in which they're employed, you lose the plot.

We see every weekend - from Timbers down to rec - choices being made that emphasize winning at the expense of development. Then, when we go look at why we don't get developmental results, we try and cherry pick one of the very few things we're actually prepared to do: just win, baby.

Instead of trying to borrow the only thing you understand from Ajax, why don't you look deeper?

You missed the point of the original quote - you can't complete separately development from scores; scores are a measure (by no means the only one) of development.

No I do not think Ajax prioritizes winning over development; I think the 2 have a connection and those in this country who attempt to completely separate the 2 are usually (i) selling something, or (ii) want to escape accountability.

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You missed the point of the original quote - you can't complete separately development from scores; scores are a measure (by no means the only one) of development.

No I do not think Ajax prioritizes winning over development; I think the 2 have a connection and those in this country who attempt to completely separate the 2 are usually (i) selling something, or (ii) want to escape accountability.

Dude, get a grip: you can't actually think the kids don't know the score and aren't competing. There's no kid playing at a decent level that doesn't want to win collectively AND individually in their little battles on the field.

As for the rest, the lack of tables/scores online exists to try and prevent these clubs, parents, and coaches from avoiding teaching kids to play in an effort to get wins. The parents are too dumb to know the difference, and most of the coaches wouldn't be able to explain their dev programme if their life depended on it.

You're definitely getting sold something, pal. But you're also shopping for the wrong thing.

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Dude, get a grip: you can't actually think the kids don't know the score and aren't competing. There's no kid playing at a decent level that doesn't want to win collectively AND individually in their little battles on the field.

As for the rest, the lack of tables/scores online exists to try and prevent these clubs, parents, and coaches from avoiding teaching kids to play in an effort to get wins. The parents are too dumb to know the difference, and most of the coaches wouldn't be able to explain their dev programme if their life depended on it.

You're definitely getting sold something, pal. But you're also shopping for the wrong thing.

There is a much of a problem with coaches who can sell a development program, but can't actually deliver it as there is with coaches chasing trophies. Plenty of big talk at all level in the game today.

Getting rid of standings at u11 was a gimmick; in the end not going to move the needle one way or another, except maybe making the game seem slightly less important/fun to kids participating.

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The bottom line is that it didn't work: same coaches collecting checks while not knowing the first thing about dev.

Parents don't know the difference between big talk and sh*t talk, and the tiny handful of organizations that SHOULD know the difference - and should teach the difference - don't bother.

Hard to find anyone who's innocent here, except the kids of course.

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unintended consequences

Another downside of not tracking standings at u11: harder to place teams appropriately in tournaments and leagues for their u12 year.

Many a season can be ruined with wrong placement.

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Another downside of not tracking standings at u11: harder to place teams appropriately in tournaments and leagues for their u12 year.

Many a season can be ruined with wrong placement.

OYSA knows how the U11 teams do in league play, they just don't publish standings.

Playing in the wrong flight at a tournament won't ruin anyone's season. If it does, you are focusing on the wrong things.

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Dude, get a grip: you can't actually think the kids don't know the score and aren't competing. There's no kid playing at a decent level that doesn't want to win collectively AND individually in their little battles on the field.

Disagree. One of the biggest problems in American soccer is we promote the selfish players that only want to win individually, not collectively. Too often we promote the selfish players who are more concerned with being an individual star than how the team as a whole does. In fact, they would rather their team lost than have any other players on their team get any glory over them. Soccer is a team sport so the team of 11 working together beats 11 working each one just for themselves.