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    Received the following bit of spam from US Club soccer, emphasis added:

    Dear US Club Soccer member organizations, players and coaches,

    Over the past few weeks, US Club Soccer has engaged with U.S. Soccer leadership to discuss multiple issues raised by the membership over the past year. We are encouraged by these recent conversations and look forward to working with U.S. Soccer and other affiliates to address these issues and begin to repair the increasingly fractured youth soccer landscape.

    US Club Soccer takes seriously our responsibility to create a positive environment that supports our clubs and leagues in the development of players. In this role, we aim to prioritize the issues that most negatively affect our membership, understanding that some of them took more than a decade to reach current levels and may not be solved as quickly as we would like. Regardless of how long it takes to develop and implement solutions, we are committed to supporting our membership and positively resolving all of these issues.

    The US Club Soccer Board of Directors appreciates your input. We would like to communicate to you our position on the issues you have raised and welcome further input on all of these issues through your elected board members. We will be working with U.S. Soccer and others to address the following issues in search of a better environment for our membership and in the game generally:

    We support the formation of task forces with authority to collaboratively review, evaluate and affect change in youth soccer.

    We believe there is a clear distinction between recreational and select soccer, including the motives that drive children to participate and/or leave our sport.

    We believe players should participate in competitively appropriate platforms, but there are negative, unintended consequences associated with establishing those levels too young.


    We believe in the importance and value of multiple pathways for identification/scouting into youth national team selection.

    We believe that no coach or scout should discriminate against or put pressure on players that implies they will be viewed, scouted, or evaluated differently for national team selection based on league or club affiliation.

    We believe players should feel free to participate with any club, league, program or organization without pressure or fear of retribution or discrimination.


    We support the creation of objective measures of clubs charged with the development of players, based on the daily environment established by the club and not exclusively on the league in which they participate.

    We believe clubs and their leadership should be the primary decision-makers in the structure and organization of soccer.

    We fully support our youth and full national teams and will continue to assist their future success any way we can.

    As your representative members of the US Club Soccer Board of Directors, we are committed to supporting your efforts and voicing your concerns. We are dedicated to making the game better for players, clubs, and coaches, and doing so professionally, honestly, and collaboratively.

    Thank you for sharing your voice with us, and for being a part of our organization!

    Sincerely,

    US Club Soccer Board of Directors
    Now, I won't necessarily disagree with the parts in bold... but would US Club still write this if instead of "national team selection" it instead said "college recruiting"?

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      In what world does any youth soccer organization (US Club) become a 'competitor' with it's own governing body USSF/US Soccer?

      Anytime the above is written on the forum. It truly makes me wonder what other nonsensical edicts have been fed to this group of US Club members by the DOC's who run this outright scam..

      This league (US Club ECNL) was gutted so significantly by the USSDA in year 1, that THUSC's (4-5 team branch 'CU') who were not selected for the DA, opted to stay in the remains of the US Club ECNL.

      It's no surprise these 4 (THUSC/CU) teams went from regular weekend double digit defeats in prior years, to being somewhat relevant in 2017-18. Which begs the question why didn't they just re-join the State league? Drop the US Club ECNL travel league, thereby saving it's members thousands & thousands of dollars annually. Becoming a group that is honest with it's membership and their actual talent and coaching levels? Why continue this con? The college outcomes for girls remain the same regardless if they play USYS or US Club. Now, all they have can cling to is a somewhat hilarious plea and it's a sad one, 'you get to play HS'.

      Did you ever realize you can play HS if you play in the state league as well.

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        In what world does any youth soccer organization (US Club) become a 'competitor' with it's own governing body USSF/US Soccer?

        Anytime the above is written on the forum. It truly makes me wonder what other nonsensical edicts have been fed to this group of US Club members by the DOC's who run this outright scam..

        This league (US Club ECNL) was gutted so significantly by the USSDA in year 1, that THUSC's (4-5 team branch 'CU') who were not selected for the DA, opted to stay in the remains of the US Club ECNL.

        It's no surprise these 4 (THUSC/CU) teams went from regular weekend double digit defeats in prior years, to being somewhat relevant in 2017-18. Which begs the question why didn't they just re-join the State league? Drop the US Club ECNL travel league, thereby saving it's members thousands & thousands of dollars annually. Becoming a group that is honest with it's membership and their actual talent and coaching levels? Why continue this con? The college outcomes for girls remain the same regardless if they play USYS or US Club. Now, all they have can cling to is a somewhat hilarious plea and it's a sad one, 'you get to play HS'.

        Did you ever realize you can play HS if you play in the state league as well.
        Thanks Timbers intern.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Received the following bit of spam from US Club soccer, emphasis added:Now, I won't necessarily disagree with the parts in bold... but would US Club still write this if instead of "national team selection" it instead said "college recruiting"?
          This is a copy of the old letter prior to the DA formation.

          "We believe in the importance and value of the US Club model for identification/scouting into youth national team selection."

          "We believe that our coaches will put pressure on players and especially parents, that implies they will be viewed, scouted, or evaluated differently for college recruiting based solely on the name of the league (ECNL)."

          Not sure why they re-wrote it, the one was so easy to understand. Right.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            GDA is so disappointing. Sad!

            I feel bad for the kids and the parents.
            Not sad really.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Thanks Timbers intern.
              You can tell when the ecnl trolls are losing the argument --they blame things on interns.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                In Oregon the gda only got at best 20% of the top players. Retention hasn’t been great. That will probably skip to 7%-10% this year.
                This year it’s probably 7% of top players in gda. That’s not bad considering the high school ban.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  This year it’s probably 97% of top players in gda. That’s not bad considering the high school ban.
                  That's actually impressive and expected.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    That's actually impressive and expected.
                    Those 97 percenters in GDA sure got their butts handed to them
                    in head to head matchups versus ECNL teams at the Surf Cup and Silverlakes Showcase. Impressive indeed... NOT!

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Those 97 percenters in GDA sure got their butts handed to themin head to head matchups versus ECNL teams at the Surf Cup and Silverlakes Showcase. Impressive indeed... NOT!
                      Here are the Top Flights at Surf Called Developmental Academy and they consist of only DA teams. Not sure when the head to head matches of US Club teams vs DA teams happened, butt you think they did.

                      Girls U19 Development Academy
                      ALBION SC USSDA 00/01 (CAS)
                      PATEADORES USSDA U18/19 (CAS)
                      LAMORINDA SC USSDA U18/19 (CAN)
                      OC SURF SC USSDA G18/19 (CAS)
                      SD SURF SC USSDA G18/19 (CAS)
                      LOS ANGELES GALAXY USSDA U18/19 (CAS)
                      REAL SO CAL USSDA G18/19 (CAS)
                      SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES USSDA U18/19 (CAN)
                      SOCAL ACADEMY G2000 CHAVEZ (CAS)
                      SO CAL BLUES USSDA U18/19 (CAS)

                      Girls U17 Development Academy
                      PATEADORES USSDA U-16/17 (CAS)
                      SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES USSDA U-16/17 (CAN)
                      SAN DIEGO SURF USSDA U-16/17 (CAS)
                      ALBION SC USSDA U-16/17 (CAS)
                      REAL SO CAL USSDA U16/17 (CAS)
                      CLUB TIJUANA XOLOITZCUINTLES DE CALIENTE G02 (MEX)
                      OC SURF SC USSDA U16/17 (CAS)
                      LAMORINDA SC 02/03 ACADEMY (CAN)
                      LA GALAXY USSDA U-16/17 (CAS)
                      SO CAL BLUES USSDA U-16/17 (CAS)
                      SAN DIEGO SURF 2003 PILOT (CAS)
                      LA GALAXY SAN DIEGO G03 PILOT - WILLIAMS (CAS)

                      Girls U15 Development Academy
                      Bracket A
                      CROSSFIRE PREMIER USSDA GU15 (WA)
                      SO CAL BLUES USSDA GU15 (CAS)
                      SD SURF USSDA GU15 (CAS)
                      PATEADORES USSDA GU15 (CAS)
                      LAMORINDA SC USSDA GU15 (CAN)
                      REAL SO CAL USSDA GU15 (CAS)
                      SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES USSDA GU15 (CAN)
                      OC SURF USSDA GU15 (CAS)
                      LA GALAXY USSDA GU15 (CAS)
                      SAN DIEGO STRIKERS G04 - PREMIER (CAS)

                      U14 Development Academy Black
                      Bracket A
                      SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES USSDA GU14 (CAN)
                      REAL SO CAL USSDA GU14 (CAS)
                      LA GALAXY SAN DIEGO G-14 USSDA 2005 (CAS)
                      LA GALAXY USSDA GU14 (CAS)
                      Bracket B
                      CALIFORNIA THORNS USSDA GU14 (CAN)
                      SOLAR USSDA GU14 (TXN)
                      SO CAL BLUES USSDA GU14 (CAS)
                      ALBION SC USSDA GU14 (CAS)

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Here are the Top Flights at Surf Called Developmental Academy and they consist of only DA teams. Not sure when the head to head matches of US Club teams vs DA teams happened, butt you think they did.

                        Girls U19 Development Academy
                        ALBION SC USSDA 00/01 (CAS)
                        PATEADORES USSDA U18/19 (CAS)
                        LAMORINDA SC USSDA U18/19 (CAN)
                        OC SURF SC USSDA G18/19 (CAS)
                        SD SURF SC USSDA G18/19 (CAS)
                        LOS ANGELES GALAXY USSDA U18/19 (CAS)
                        REAL SO CAL USSDA G18/19 (CAS)
                        SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES USSDA U18/19 (CAN)
                        SOCAL ACADEMY G2000 CHAVEZ (CAS)
                        SO CAL BLUES USSDA U18/19 (CAS)

                        Girls U17 Development Academy
                        PATEADORES USSDA U-16/17 (CAS)
                        SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES USSDA U-16/17 (CAN)
                        SAN DIEGO SURF USSDA U-16/17 (CAS)
                        ALBION SC USSDA U-16/17 (CAS)
                        REAL SO CAL USSDA U16/17 (CAS)
                        CLUB TIJUANA XOLOITZCUINTLES DE CALIENTE G02 (MEX)
                        OC SURF SC USSDA U16/17 (CAS)
                        LAMORINDA SC 02/03 ACADEMY (CAN)
                        LA GALAXY USSDA U-16/17 (CAS)
                        SO CAL BLUES USSDA U-16/17 (CAS)
                        SAN DIEGO SURF 2003 PILOT (CAS)
                        LA GALAXY SAN DIEGO G03 PILOT - WILLIAMS (CAS)

                        Girls U15 Development Academy
                        Bracket A
                        CROSSFIRE PREMIER USSDA GU15 (WA)
                        SO CAL BLUES USSDA GU15 (CAS)
                        SD SURF USSDA GU15 (CAS)
                        PATEADORES USSDA GU15 (CAS)
                        LAMORINDA SC USSDA GU15 (CAN)
                        REAL SO CAL USSDA GU15 (CAS)
                        SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES USSDA GU15 (CAN)
                        OC SURF USSDA GU15 (CAS)
                        LA GALAXY USSDA GU15 (CAS)
                        SAN DIEGO STRIKERS G04 - PREMIER (CAS)

                        U14 Development Academy Black
                        Bracket A
                        SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES USSDA GU14 (CAN)
                        REAL SO CAL USSDA GU14 (CAS)
                        LA GALAXY SAN DIEGO G-14 USSDA 2005 (CAS)
                        LA GALAXY USSDA GU14 (CAS)
                        Bracket B
                        CALIFORNIA THORNS USSDA GU14 (CAN)
                        SOLAR USSDA GU14 (TXN)
                        SO CAL BLUES USSDA GU14 (CAS)
                        ALBION SC USSDA GU14 (CAS)
                        Wrong again...

                        Here's the in depth analysis of the results of GDA/ECNL head to head matchups at Surf Cup and Silverlakes, brought to you by our good friends from Southern California. Take time to read the whole thread after the first link. It's hilarious, and shows how delusional GDA kool-aide drinkers really are. GDA got owned by ECNL in the past couple of weeks in real games where it counts, and not on message boards.

                        http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/d...26#post-215650

                        http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/d...26#post-215759

                        http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/d...31#post-216462

                        http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/d...32#post-216505

                        http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/d...32#post-216508

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                          What So Cal is saying: “As mentioned, the team that beat Heat in the final was LAFC which will be one of the Slammers ECNL teams this season. The only real data points we have about the relative strengths of GDA teams vs. ECNL teams is the head to head matchups in these pre-season tournaments, which the ECNL got the better of in both Surf and Silverlakes at the youngest ECNL/GDA agegroups. You seem to be making up a lot of excuses for the lack of results in GDA's favor, and your "belief" that "most the top players" are in GDA doesn't pass the smell test. The results say otherwise.”

                          Even in So Cal the GDA shares the top players with ecnl and very top teams like slammers coming back to ecnl after a very successful year at GDA, doesn’t look good for GDA. OTOH, none of this has any bearing whatsoever on Oregon. Oregon girls soccer had zero GDA teams even make the plays offs. Our best team was the 01/02 team and they were 7/10 in a relatively weak league. Actually the 2 bottom clubs dropped out of GDA so they ended up 7th out of 8. That was considered our best team at the age group across the state. Our Oregon ecnl teams did fare better last year but that was partially due to their league weakening some due to player losses to GDA. However, they are top teams in our state and a few CU (03) did well outside of state as well.

                          Bottom line is: Ecnl & Gda are both good for Oregon teams but mostly unnoticed outside of state. We have a few OYSA teams that get just as much notice out of state as GDA & most ECNL teams. There’s no point in arguing which league is better. None of them are great. Pick the one that works for your dd and enjoy. Do the beat with what we have and root for all the Oregon programs.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Wrong again...

                            Here's the in depth analysis of the results of GDA/ECNL head to head matchups at Surf Cup and Silverlakes, brought to you by our good friends from Southern California. Take time to read the whole thread after the first link. It's hilarious, and shows how delusional GDA kool-aide drinkers really are. GDA got owned by ECNL in the past couple of weeks in real games where it counts, and not on message boards.

                            http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/d...26#post-215650

                            http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/d...26#post-215759

                            http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/d...31#post-216462

                            http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/d...32#post-216505

                            http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/d...32#post-216508
                            With such a small sample size from only match-ups at silverlakes you can craft whatever narrative you choose to employ and then pick out the bits of microscopic data that 'support' it.

                            In depth BS. You should of studied statistics a bit more.

                            So Cal has thousands of elite players---Oregon has ???

                            Slippery and twisted, never changes.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              With such a small sample size from only match-ups at silverlakes you can craft whatever narrative you choose to employ and then pick out the bits of microscopic data that 'support' it.

                              In depth BS. You should of studied statistics a bit more.

                              So Cal has thousands of elite players---Oregon has ???

                              Slippery and twisted, never changes.
                              Excuses, Excuses. You Thorns guys have been beating the drum all year long about GDA being the "Top" league. Now when the rubber meets the road in real games pitting GDA vs. ECNL teams that swung ECNL's way, that's the best argument you got? I'll leave you a quote from one of the SoCal guys:

                              "And while we're at it, here's a couple of other data points for you. According to this RPI calculation, the #6(Legends) and #8(Seattle Reign) 2004 teams were at Silverlakes two weekend ago and both played 3 games against ECNL teams. http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/2...-8#post-204599

                              Legends 2004 DA was 1-1-1 against ECNL teams.
                              Reign 2004 DA was 0-2-1 against ECNL teams.

                              These two top 10 ranked DA teams combined for a grand total of ONE win in 6 games versus ECNL. Let that sink in."

                              Top league in the country, my azz. HAHAHA!

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                With such a small sample size from only match-ups at silverlakes you can craft whatever narrative you choose to employ and then pick out the bits of microscopic data that 'support' it.

                                In depth BS. You should of studied statistics a bit more.

                                So Cal has thousands of elite players---Oregon has ???

                                Slippery and twisted, never changes.
                                There were 40 head to head ECNL/GDA games in Silverlakes alone. That's plenty large enough of a sample size to draw the conclusion that GDA got worked. Math doesn't seem to be your strong point.

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