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    Soccer Scholarship odds

    Just a reminder to keep it sane...
    Excerpt from - http://berkshiresocceracademy.com/20...-scholarships/

    More and more players (and parents) believe it is worth investing several thousand dollars a year on select clubs, uniforms, showcase tournaments, elite camps, recruitment services and even private trainers to improve the odds of their offspring landing a soccer scholarship.

    A recent survey of parents at the Jarosi Tournament in Columbus, Ohio revealed that more than 60 percent of parents view soccer at a “select” level as a means to a college athletic scholarship.

    The father of a local U-12 player recently removed his son from a private school he attended for eight years. He plans to use the money he saves on tuition to pay for private trainers for his son. He wants to improve the chances of receiving a soccer scholarship.

    Advertisements for elite clubs, camps and recruiting services give the impression that signing on with them will increase chances for a scholarship. They seem to suggest that scholarships are there for the taking. A flyer from an elite club in Ohio, for instance, makes the claim that 80 percent of the club’s players receive soccer scholarships.

    College recruiting services routinely advertise that their service will improve a player’s chance of securing a college soccer scholarship. Alan Yost of the recruiting service NCSA said, “Every high school player who signs on with us expects a scholarship offer…every player!”

    But a look at the facts suggests a far different picture of soccer scholarships. Critics say that select clubs often inflate the number of players who receive scholarships. And, many coaches throw away the information from recruiting services. They prefer to use their own sources and go to many tournaments to watch players. And, personal trainers have offered no data on the number of scholarship athletes they work with. So why do parents buy into the “scholarship sales pitch”?

    While there is nothing wrong with using soccer to help a high school player get into one of the best schools – and perhaps get a scholarship – everyone involved should be realistic about the situation.

    A study in 1996 determined the following facts for the high school age soccer players:

    – There were 8,182 boys and 6,500 girls soccer programs
    – There were more than 283,700 boys and 209,000 girls playing high school soccer
    – There were 51,066 boys and 37,620 girls who were seniors, played soccer and graduated
    – There were 721 college programs for boys and 736 for girls
    – There were 4,326 spots available on college teams for boys; and there were 4416 spots available for the girls
    – There were playing opportunities for fewer than 8% of graduating seniors
    – There were 433 scholarships for boys and 806 for girls
    – Less than 1% of the graduating boys and around 2% of the girls received soccer scholarships.

    How’s that for a dose of reality? But the good news is that in 2008 the situation is much better, right? Well not really.

    There are more scholarships available for both men and women. But there are many more players playing the game in high school!

    In Bill Pennington’s New York Times series, he discussed the scholarship situation for all NCAA sports. Pennington wrote, “Excluding the glamour sports of football and basketball, the average NCAA athletic scholarship is nowhere near full tuition, amounting to $8,707. In sports like baseball and track and field, the number is routinely as low as $2,000. Even when football and basketball are included, the average is only $10,409. Tuition and room and board for NCAA institutions often cost between $20,000 and $50,000.’

    Although the data compiled from the NCAA for the 2003-2004 academic year dealt with all sports, we will focus on men’s and women’s soccer. The article determined the following:

    – Only about 2% of all NCAA DI athletes receive a scholarship
    – There is no such thing as a four year scholarship. All scholarships are renewable annually
    – There were 330,044 boys playing high school soccer and 270,273 girls
    – There were 2,357 scholarships for boys and 3,964 for girls
    – Those scholarships were awarded to 6,047 boys and 9,310 girls
    – The average award was $8,533 for boys and $8,404 for girls – that means the men’s scholarship covered only 39% of costs and the women’s scholarships covered only 43% of costs
    – Only 1.8% of high school soccer playing boys received a soccer scholarship and only 3.4% of the women received a soccer scholarship.

    In the NYT article, NCAA President Myles Brand says, “The youth culture is overly aggressive and while the opportunity for an athletic scholarship is not trivial, it’s easy for the opportunity to be exaggerated by parents and advisors. That can skew behavior and based on numbers, lead to unrealistic expectations.”

    The statistics above suggest that there is one NCAA scholarship for every 145 men who played soccer in college. Joe Taylor, a scholarship soccer player from Villanova, said, “It is a huge dogfight to get whatever you can. Everyone is scrambling. There are so many good players, nobody understands how few get to keep playing after high school! If I had to do it over again, I would have skipped a practice every now and then to go to a concert or a movie with my friends. I missed out on a lot of things because of soccer. I wish I could have some of that time back.”

    It is important that parents and coaches know these statistics and realize how difficult it is to receive a soccer scholarship. Although getting a soccer scholarship is a long shot, we do have some good news. Being a good soccer player may give an athlete an edge when colleges award academic scholarships and need based aid. In fact, there is much more money available to soccer players for academic prowess than for athletic excellence. An increased focus on academics will pay greater dividends than soccer excellence in the long run – it may also pay off on the short run.

    A recent study by the College Board Association of Princeton, NJ determined that independent colleges in the United States award over $10 billion in financial aid each year. This includes awards from institutional funds for scholarships, fellowships and trainee stipends. Add state and federal financial aid funding and there is over $50 billion available for academic and need based aid each year!

    The numbers say that soccer scholarships are relatively scarce. Should your players stop cracking shots and spend Saturdays cracking the books in a library instead? Of course not. We know that soccer is a great game. It has an important place in the life of your players – whether there is a soccer scholarship in the future or not. Everyone involved with soccer should just keep the scholarship issue in perspective. Your players should be playing for fun,, fitness, and the challenge of the game. If your players (and parents) are only playing to earn a soccer scholarship – maybe they should spend more time in the library!

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Just a reminder to keep it sane...
    Excerpt from - http://berkshiresocceracademy.com/20...-scholarships/

    More and more players (and parents) believe it is worth investing several thousand dollars a year on select clubs, uniforms, showcase tournaments, elite camps, recruitment services and even private trainers to improve the odds of their offspring landing a soccer scholarship.

    A recent survey of parents at the Jarosi Tournament in Columbus, Ohio revealed that more than 60 percent of parents view soccer at a “select” level as a means to a college athletic scholarship.

    The father of a local U-12 player recently removed his son from a private school he attended for eight years. He plans to use the money he saves on tuition to pay for private trainers for his son. He wants to improve the chances of receiving a soccer scholarship.

    Advertisements for elite clubs, camps and recruiting services give the impression that signing on with them will increase chances for a scholarship. They seem to suggest that scholarships are there for the taking. A flyer from an elite club in Ohio, for instance, makes the claim that 80 percent of the club’s players receive soccer scholarships.

    College recruiting services routinely advertise that their service will improve a player’s chance of securing a college soccer scholarship. Alan Yost of the recruiting service NCSA said, “Every high school player who signs on with us expects a scholarship offer…every player!”

    But a look at the facts suggests a far different picture of soccer scholarships. Critics say that select clubs often inflate the number of players who receive scholarships. And, many coaches throw away the information from recruiting services. They prefer to use their own sources and go to many tournaments to watch players. And, personal trainers have offered no data on the number of scholarship athletes they work with. So why do parents buy into the “scholarship sales pitch”?

    While there is nothing wrong with using soccer to help a high school player get into one of the best schools – and perhaps get a scholarship – everyone involved should be realistic about the situation.

    A study in 1996 determined the following facts for the high school age soccer players:

    – There were 8,182 boys and 6,500 girls soccer programs
    – There were more than 283,700 boys and 209,000 girls playing high school soccer
    – There were 51,066 boys and 37,620 girls who were seniors, played soccer and graduated
    – There were 721 college programs for boys and 736 for girls
    – There were 4,326 spots available on college teams for boys; and there were 4416 spots available for the girls
    – There were playing opportunities for fewer than 8% of graduating seniors
    – There were 433 scholarships for boys and 806 for girls
    – Less than 1% of the graduating boys and around 2% of the girls received soccer scholarships.

    How’s that for a dose of reality? But the good news is that in 2008 the situation is much better, right? Well not really.

    There are more scholarships available for both men and women. But there are many more players playing the game in high school!

    In Bill Pennington’s New York Times series, he discussed the scholarship situation for all NCAA sports. Pennington wrote, “Excluding the glamour sports of football and basketball, the average NCAA athletic scholarship is nowhere near full tuition, amounting to $8,707. In sports like baseball and track and field, the number is routinely as low as $2,000. Even when football and basketball are included, the average is only $10,409. Tuition and room and board for NCAA institutions often cost between $20,000 and $50,000.’

    Although the data compiled from the NCAA for the 2003-2004 academic year dealt with all sports, we will focus on men’s and women’s soccer. The article determined the following:

    – Only about 2% of all NCAA DI athletes receive a scholarship
    – There is no such thing as a four year scholarship. All scholarships are renewable annually
    – There were 330,044 boys playing high school soccer and 270,273 girls
    – There were 2,357 scholarships for boys and 3,964 for girls
    – Those scholarships were awarded to 6,047 boys and 9,310 girls
    – The average award was $8,533 for boys and $8,404 for girls – that means the men’s scholarship covered only 39% of costs and the women’s scholarships covered only 43% of costs
    – Only 1.8% of high school soccer playing boys received a soccer scholarship and only 3.4% of the women received a soccer scholarship.

    In the NYT article, NCAA President Myles Brand says, “The youth culture is overly aggressive and while the opportunity for an athletic scholarship is not trivial, it’s easy for the opportunity to be exaggerated by parents and advisors. That can skew behavior and based on numbers, lead to unrealistic expectations.”

    The statistics above suggest that there is one NCAA scholarship for every 145 men who played soccer in college. Joe Taylor, a scholarship soccer player from Villanova, said, “It is a huge dogfight to get whatever you can. Everyone is scrambling. There are so many good players, nobody understands how few get to keep playing after high school! If I had to do it over again, I would have skipped a practice every now and then to go to a concert or a movie with my friends. I missed out on a lot of things because of soccer. I wish I could have some of that time back.”

    It is important that parents and coaches know these statistics and realize how difficult it is to receive a soccer scholarship. Although getting a soccer scholarship is a long shot, we do have some good news. Being a good soccer player may give an athlete an edge when colleges award academic scholarships and need based aid. In fact, there is much more money available to soccer players for academic prowess than for athletic excellence. An increased focus on academics will pay greater dividends than soccer excellence in the long run – it may also pay off on the short run.

    A recent study by the College Board Association of Princeton, NJ determined that independent colleges in the United States award over $10 billion in financial aid each year. This includes awards from institutional funds for scholarships, fellowships and trainee stipends. Add state and federal financial aid funding and there is over $50 billion available for academic and need based aid each year!

    The numbers say that soccer scholarships are relatively scarce. Should your players stop cracking shots and spend Saturdays cracking the books in a library instead? Of course not. We know that soccer is a great game. It has an important place in the life of your players – whether there is a soccer scholarship in the future or not. Everyone involved with soccer should just keep the scholarship issue in perspective. Your players should be playing for fun,, fitness, and the challenge of the game. If your players (and parents) are only playing to earn a soccer scholarship – maybe they should spend more time in the library!
    My kids both play. One is in HS. No desire to play in college. Just is not that passionate nor does she want to have a 'full time' job in college. Trust me, being a "Student Athlete" is a full time job. I know several folks that went to school on scholarships. During their season, you NEVER saw that kid. They were either practicing, at training tables, lifting weights, working out, or at a mandatory study hall. My kid wants to go to school to enjoy the college experience and have fun and not have to be tied down to playing soccer, year round, 24/7. Some want that experience. Some want to play full time. Some are living that dream. More power to them.

    As the article states, there are only a finite number of scholarships available. Both of my kids are fortunate. We starting saving right when they were born. Put away a set dollar amount every single year, got some good growth and returns and they are both set, for at least 5 years of school. Not Harvard or Yale or Stanford but they can and could go to a decent major university of their choice.

    My older daughters have several friends on her club team and a couple of parents are still delusional and still think that elusive scholarship is there. Unfortunately, both girls that are pursuing that dream just are not athletic enough nor talented enough. You never want to burst someone else's bubble or dream but these families are just really in for a rude awakening as the scholarship just is not happening. I told one mom that I had hoped they had Plan B in place....she just laughed and said "Why, my little Daisy is getting her school paid for."------I just smiled and said "Oh really?"------hmmm, some folks really just do not get it.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      My kids both play. One is in HS. No desire to play in college. Just is not that passionate nor does she want to have a 'full time' job in college. Trust me, being a "Student Athlete" is a full time job. I know several folks that went to school on scholarships. During their season, you NEVER saw that kid. They were either practicing, at training tables, lifting weights, working out, or at a mandatory study hall. My kid wants to go to school to enjoy the college experience and have fun and not have to be tied down to playing soccer, year round, 24/7. Some want that experience. Some want to play full time. Some are living that dream. More power to them.

      As the article states, there are only a finite number of scholarships available. Both of my kids are fortunate. We starting saving right when they were born. Put away a set dollar amount every single year, got some good growth and returns and they are both set, for at least 5 years of school. Not Harvard or Yale or Stanford but they can and could go to a decent major university of their choice.

      My older daughters have several friends on her club team and a couple of parents are still delusional and still think that elusive scholarship is there. Unfortunately, both girls that are pursuing that dream just are not athletic enough nor talented enough. You never want to burst someone else's bubble or dream but these families are just really in for a rude awakening as the scholarship just is not happening. I told one mom that I had hoped they had Plan B in place....she just laughed and said "Why, my little Daisy is getting her school paid for."------I just smiled and said "Oh really?"------hmmm, some folks really just do not get it.
      It is not in any club's best interest for the parents to 'get it.' The coaches rely on this myth and tell Daisy that she is great. When the scholarship doesn't arrive, the coach says the college coaches don't know what they are looking at. In reality, the club coach isn't a good coach or isn't willing to tell Daisy she isn't a good player, because.....

      YOU PAY THEM TO KISS YOUR ASS

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        #4
        In soccer what I see more often isn't so much the dream of the illusive scholarship but using soccer as a means to get into a somewhat better school than without, or as a means to differentiate oneself from other admissions candidates. YEs every $ helps, especially given what it costs these days to attend. But with more soccer families on the average or higher than average income side ,plenty can afford to have their kid play with no athletic $ at a better school then with some $ at a lower school.

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          #5
          Some kids actually want to play college in soccer, with or without a scholarship, just getting that opportunity is their goal. For other's it isn't something they want at all, and that is okay. But it always seems to get those whose kids are not wanting that direction all stressed out having to "warn" everyone that it is a bad idea or a pipe dream. Not sure why that is... The scholarship money is not what some thinks it is, that is true, it is usually much less than what is hoped for, but like said above every bit helps and if it allows them to go to a school they could not get into without soccer, or to a school they could not afford without the little help the partial provides, that is great! There is no guarantee an athlete will stick with it all four years, but I would always much rather they try and decide it isn't for them then to sell themselves short (the whole being a student-athlete is hard argument) and always wonder "what if"?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Just a reminder to keep it sane...
            Excerpt from - http://berkshiresocceracademy.com/20...-scholarships/

            More and more players (and parents) believe it is worth investing several thousand dollars a year on select clubs, uniforms, showcase tournaments, elite camps, recruitment services and even private trainers to improve the odds of their offspring landing a soccer scholarship.

            A recent survey of parents at the Jarosi Tournament in Columbus, Ohio revealed that more than 60 percent of parents view soccer at a “select” level as a means to a college athletic scholarship.

            The father of a local U-12 player recently removed his son from a private school he attended for eight years. He plans to use the money he saves on tuition to pay for private trainers for his son. He wants to improve the chances of receiving a soccer scholarship.

            Advertisements for elite clubs, camps and recruiting services give the impression that signing on with them will increase chances for a scholarship. They seem to suggest that scholarships are there for the taking. A flyer from an elite club in Ohio, for instance, makes the claim that 80 percent of the club’s players receive soccer scholarships.

            College recruiting services routinely advertise that their service will improve a player’s chance of securing a college soccer scholarship. Alan Yost of the recruiting service NCSA said, “Every high school player who signs on with us expects a scholarship offer…every player!”

            But a look at the facts suggests a far different picture of soccer scholarships. Critics say that select clubs often inflate the number of players who receive scholarships. And, many coaches throw away the information from recruiting services. They prefer to use their own sources and go to many tournaments to watch players. And, personal trainers have offered no data on the number of scholarship athletes they work with. So why do parents buy into the “scholarship sales pitch”?

            While there is nothing wrong with using soccer to help a high school player get into one of the best schools – and perhaps get a scholarship – everyone involved should be realistic about the situation.

            A study in 1996 determined the following facts for the high school age soccer players:

            – There were 8,182 boys and 6,500 girls soccer programs
            – There were more than 283,700 boys and 209,000 girls playing high school soccer
            – There were 51,066 boys and 37,620 girls who were seniors, played soccer and graduated
            – There were 721 college programs for boys and 736 for girls
            – There were 4,326 spots available on college teams for boys; and there were 4416 spots available for the girls
            – There were playing opportunities for fewer than 8% of graduating seniors
            – There were 433 scholarships for boys and 806 for girls
            – Less than 1% of the graduating boys and around 2% of the girls received soccer scholarships.

            How’s that for a dose of reality? But the good news is that in 2008 the situation is much better, right? Well not really.

            There are more scholarships available for both men and women. But there are many more players playing the game in high school!

            In Bill Pennington’s New York Times series, he discussed the scholarship situation for all NCAA sports. Pennington wrote, “Excluding the glamour sports of football and basketball, the average NCAA athletic scholarship is nowhere near full tuition, amounting to $8,707. In sports like baseball and track and field, the number is routinely as low as $2,000. Even when football and basketball are included, the average is only $10,409. Tuition and room and board for NCAA institutions often cost between $20,000 and $50,000.’

            Although the data compiled from the NCAA for the 2003-2004 academic year dealt with all sports, we will focus on men’s and women’s soccer. The article determined the following:

            – Only about 2% of all NCAA DI athletes receive a scholarship
            – There is no such thing as a four year scholarship. All scholarships are renewable annually
            – There were 330,044 boys playing high school soccer and 270,273 girls
            – There were 2,357 scholarships for boys and 3,964 for girls
            – Those scholarships were awarded to 6,047 boys and 9,310 girls
            – The average award was $8,533 for boys and $8,404 for girls – that means the men’s scholarship covered only 39% of costs and the women’s scholarships covered only 43% of costs
            – Only 1.8% of high school soccer playing boys received a soccer scholarship and only 3.4% of the women received a soccer scholarship.

            In the NYT article, NCAA President Myles Brand says, “The youth culture is overly aggressive and while the opportunity for an athletic scholarship is not trivial, it’s easy for the opportunity to be exaggerated by parents and advisors. That can skew behavior and based on numbers, lead to unrealistic expectations.”

            The statistics above suggest that there is one NCAA scholarship for every 145 men who played soccer in college. Joe Taylor, a scholarship soccer player from Villanova, said, “It is a huge dogfight to get whatever you can. Everyone is scrambling. There are so many good players, nobody understands how few get to keep playing after high school! If I had to do it over again, I would have skipped a practice every now and then to go to a concert or a movie with my friends. I missed out on a lot of things because of soccer. I wish I could have some of that time back.”

            It is important that parents and coaches know these statistics and realize how difficult it is to receive a soccer scholarship. Although getting a soccer scholarship is a long shot, we do have some good news. Being a good soccer player may give an athlete an edge when colleges award academic scholarships and need based aid. In fact, there is much more money available to soccer players for academic prowess than for athletic excellence. An increased focus on academics will pay greater dividends than soccer excellence in the long run – it may also pay off on the short run.

            A recent study by the College Board Association of Princeton, NJ determined that independent colleges in the United States award over $10 billion in financial aid each year. This includes awards from institutional funds for scholarships, fellowships and trainee stipends. Add state and federal financial aid funding and there is over $50 billion available for academic and need based aid each year!

            The numbers say that soccer scholarships are relatively scarce. Should your players stop cracking shots and spend Saturdays cracking the books in a library instead? Of course not. We know that soccer is a great game. It has an important place in the life of your players – whether there is a soccer scholarship in the future or not. Everyone involved with soccer should just keep the scholarship issue in perspective. Your players should be playing for fun,, fitness, and the challenge of the game. If your players (and parents) are only playing to earn a soccer scholarship – maybe they should spend more time in the library!
            U of O scholarship (about 50 students / year) better odds, better reward, for four years if they keep the grades up and MUCH more useful to your kid down the road.

            Presidential Scholarship

            Presidential Scholarships are awarded competitively to outstanding incoming freshmen from Oregon. Approximately 50 freshmen receive this scholarship each year, and the awarding process is highly selective. Presidential Scholarships are made possible by the generous contributions of donors to the University of Oregon scholarship fund.
            Award Information

            Presidential Scholars receive up to $36,000 over four years of undergraduate study—$9,000 per year.
            Eligibility Requirements

            Oregon residents who graduate from an Oregon high school
            Incoming freshmen
            A minimum 3.85 cumulative high school grade point average on a 4.00 scale
            A minimum 1240 old SAT or 1300 new SAT, combined math and critical reading SAT score or 28 ACT composite score. (Note: you cannot combine SAT scores from the old and new version.)
            A significant, demonstrated history of leadership and volunteer service activities

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              #7
              Academic is always preferred to athletic. It's usually guaranteed for all four years (as long as you keep a minimum GPA). Athletic money is year to year. Even if you play all four years (which doesn't happen often due to cuts, injuries, dropping out, transfers) the coach doesn't have to keep his $ commitment to you. Academic $ means the SCHOOL wants you. Often times academic money meets or even exceeds what you may get for athletics. There's almost always monies to be found for a student the school really wants.

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                #8
                Old information

                The post has too much old information in it. Clearly, the author has never had children get athletic scholarships. The PAC-12 guarantees a four year athletic scholarship since last year.
                The details are easily found.

                Many, many parents are ridiculous dreamers. Club coaches like the fiction since the money comes rolling in. Those parents that think private trainers and camps are the answer are usually wrong. The greatest fiction occurs when parents and players start boasting about scholarship offers that were never offered. Their lies continues until the last minute when reality hits. Club coaches love the fiction.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Academic is always preferred to athletic. It's usually guaranteed for all four years (as long as you keep a minimum GPA). Athletic money is year to year. Even if you play all four years (which doesn't happen often due to cuts, injuries, dropping out, transfers) the coach doesn't have to keep his $ commitment to you. Academic $ means the SCHOOL wants you. Often times academic money meets or even exceeds what you may get for athletics. There's almost always monies to be found for a student the school really wants.
                  Winner winner, chicken parm dinner!!! They key to this is that athletic scholarships are NOT guaranteed for all 4-5 years. They are 'renewable' at the school and coach's discretion. Kids can and do get asked to NOT come back, for whatever reasons (discipline, lazy, not the person they want representing the university, grades, injuries, etc, etc).....so, just because you can get an athletic scholarship your freshman year, it does NOT guarantee a full 4 years paid for. Also, some of the 'fringe' sports only award 'partial scholarships' or can only pay for partial tuition and or books. Or a combination but not the full cost of school that say a football player or basketball player would earn.

                  I had a buddy that was on a baseball scholarship and he only got 1/4 of a year paid for. He had to scramble to get other funds and he ate a lot of Top Ramen and Mac & Cheese in college. Have another friend at work. His kid was applying to St Mary's in the Bay Area and Santa Clara and Univ of San Francisco (really wanted to go to school in the Bay Area). He was accepted to Oregon. He got $5000 knocked off per year from Oregon due to good grades (above a 3.85 and a good SAT and he was into leadership at his HS and played 2 varsity sports).....Santa Clara came back and said we cannot give you much but we WILL match what Oregon is charging. He leveraged this into getting his kid into Santa Clara for about $23,000 to $24,000 per year, which Santa Clara was starting out at about $45,000 per year. He thought that was a great deal and his kid really wanted to go to Santa Clara. Bottom line--he used his grades/academics in his favor.

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                    #10
                    The "scholarship odds" argument is actually pretty ridiculous. Getting a soccer scholarship is not a lottery. My daughter is a college senior (yes she plays still in college on a half-athletic scholarship). 14 out of 18 girls on her u17 team went on to play in college. 9 played Div 1 for at least a year, 1 played Div II, and 4 played Div III. She was on about the 4th best team in the state. The top 2 teams had close to 100% of the kids playing.

                    There are well over a million kids singing in high school choirs and playing in high school bands. How many of those kids will make a living as a professional musician even if their parents spend thousands of dollars on private lessons and even if the kids spend thousands of hours practicing?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      The "scholarship odds" argument is actually pretty ridiculous. Getting a soccer scholarship is not a lottery. My daughter is a college senior (yes she plays still in college on a half-athletic scholarship). 14 out of 18 girls on her u17 team went on to play in college. 9 played Div 1 for at least a year, 1 played Div II, and 4 played Div III. She was on about the 4th best team in the state. The top 2 teams had close to 100% of the kids playing.

                      There are well over a million kids singing in high school choirs and playing in high school bands. How many of those kids will make a living as a professional musician even if their parents spend thousands of dollars on private lessons and even if the kids spend thousands of hours practicing?
                      There are many reasons to play, whether sports or music.

                      * You want a professional career
                      * You want to become a skilled amateur, but have no ambitions to be a pro. (It is your hobby, but not your job).
                      * You want to learn something new.
                      * You just want to have fun doing something you enjoy.

                      I'd say most kids playing high school bands have no ambition or expectation that they will become professional musicians--and those that do are playing in ensembles more professional than a HS band, and receiving training beyond what a HS music teacher can provide. (No offense to HS music teachers, many of whom are excellent). Kids looking to study music in college--whether at a dedicated conservatory or at a university's music department--are playing PYP and similar, and if they play for the HS band, occupy leadership positions therein.

                      Of course, with music, there are multiple ways to become a professional beyond playing in a symphony orchestra (let alone becoming a touring virtuoso), career tracks that generally require a music degree. Many musicians make a fine living doing session work. Teaching is a very lucrative business in music. And if you like, you can bypass all of that, form a garage band, make Youtube videos, and who knows--you might get lucky. Even if you don't, if you are having fun doing it, then it's worthwhile.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Winner winner, chicken parm dinner!!! They key to this is that athletic scholarships are NOT guaranteed for all 4-5 years. They are 'renewable' at the school and coach's discretion. Kids can and do get asked to NOT come back, for whatever reasons (discipline, lazy, not the person they want representing the university, grades, injuries, etc, etc).....so, just because you can get an athletic scholarship your freshman year, it does NOT guarantee a full 4 years paid for. Also, some of the 'fringe' sports only award 'partial scholarships' or can only pay for partial tuition and or books. Or a combination but not the full cost of school that say a football player or basketball player would earn.

                        I had a buddy that was on a baseball scholarship and he only got 1/4 of a year paid for. He had to scramble to get other funds and he ate a lot of Top Ramen and Mac & Cheese in college. Have another friend at work. His kid was applying to St Mary's in the Bay Area and Santa Clara and Univ of San Francisco (really wanted to go to school in the Bay Area). He was accepted to Oregon. He got $5000 knocked off per year from Oregon due to good grades (above a 3.85 and a good SAT and he was into leadership at his HS and played 2 varsity sports).....Santa Clara came back and said we cannot give you much but we WILL match what Oregon is charging. He leveraged this into getting his kid into Santa Clara for about $23,000 to $24,000 per year, which Santa Clara was starting out at about $45,000 per year. He thought that was a great deal and his kid really wanted to go to Santa Clara. Bottom line--he used his grades/academics in his favor.
                        Stop giving bad info!


                        http://informedathlete.com/the-facts...-scholarships/

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          The "scholarship odds" argument is actually pretty ridiculous. Getting a soccer scholarship is not a lottery. My daughter is a college senior (yes she plays still in college on a half-athletic scholarship). 14 out of 18 girls on her u17 team went on to play in college. 9 played Div 1 for at least a year, 1 played Div II, and 4 played Div III. She was on about the 4th best team in the state. The top 2 teams had close to 100% of the kids playing.

                          There are well over a million kids singing in high school choirs and playing in high school bands. How many of those kids will make a living as a professional musician even if their parents spend thousands of dollars on private lessons and even if the kids spend thousands of hours practicing?
                          fing great point

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Thank you!!! I am tired of the butter people telling how bad it is to get a partial soccer scholarship. If either at a Power 5 conference or a school that is giving 4 year contracts, then it is guaranteed for four years. Like academic you have to stay out of trouble and remain eligible. But let's look at it now, say a student is getting a 25% academic for 4 years and another 30 or 40% athletic, add that together and you've got a big chunk of academic costs taken care of. It is not like it used to be.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              65 schools are participating, mostly the most competitive athletically and academically. They're battling it out for the literally some of the best athletes in the country for many programs. The rest can do it if they desire, which means few if any will. It isn't in a coach's best interest - or even the university's - to lock a player in for four years. Things often times don't work out and a coach will want flexibility to insure they're not stuck with someone they no longer want. They're only going to use that option for a truly exceptional candidate.

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